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Topic author: montrose
Subject: Weight Gain after Gall Bladder surgery
Posted on: Mar 08 2005 22:00:36
Message:

Hello,

Almost exactly a year ago, I had my gall bladder removed. Since that time, I have experienced a lot of weight gain that I feel is associated with the surgery. My doctor never advised me about a proper post surgery diet. I am kind of lost at this point. I feel I really need to speak with a doctor, but so far none have been any help.

Can someone suggest the type of professional I should seek out or give me some insight into the type of diet I should be on?

Thank you in advance for all of your help.

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Reply author: raci
Replied on: Mar 18 2005 21:38:25
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Hi. I wish I had an answer. I had my gall bladder removed 2 1/2 months ago and have easily gained 10 pounds. I held the same weight for about a year before my surgery. My diet is no worse than it ever was before, but the scale keeps going up with each day. I have had no luck finding any information about this on line, so I plan to ask my doctor about it. Good luck


Reply author: Bill Davis
Replied on: Mar 18 2005 22:05:18
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May be of interest: http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/14220/20807/404725.html


Reply author: cabby
Replied on: Mar 30 2005 22:45:51
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I completely disagree with that link. My GB was removed two years ago. The first year following surgery my weight remained the same as it was the day my gb was removed. I was quite sick for about 7 days before it was removed and lost 16 pounds. Post surgery for one year I experienced unexplained burning pains in my gut that would come and pass. During the time I also frequently had diarrhea, i know this sounds gross, but it always left a greasy oily layer on the waterline. It was explained to me that the gall bladder breaks down consumed fat, so without the gb to breakdown the fat, I was passing it instead. It hasn't been until the past 6-8 months that I have been packing on weight. Coincidently, the pains have ceased and so has the diarrhea. This is way too much of a coincidence. There's only one explanation to me of where all my consumed fat is going, Or, should I say staying.


Reply author: tampagal
Replied on: May 03 2005 10:45:47
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i had my gall bladder removed 2 yrs ago and since then i have gained over 30 + lbs the doc has run thriod test they all come up neg my diet the some as before i had the surgery i go to the gym now where before i didnt but i have gained all the weight in the mid section and i cant seem to loose it at all.


so far no one has been able to tell me whats wrong
i have a feeling i should of never had the surgery! BUT THEN AGAIN THE ER DOC NEVER GAVE ME AN OPTION ABOUT WEATHER TO HAVE THE SURGERY OR NOT! THEY RUSHED ME IN TO SURGERY


Reply author: rmc
Replied on: May 06 2005 06:02:10
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I had my GB removed the beginning of March and believe that I am losing weight. Currently 180 @ 6'. I lost about 30 pounds prior to surgery because I was unable to tolerate any fatty foods without the onset of gallbladder attacks and even though I am eating more fatty foods such as dairy, that I avoided in the past, I'm still losing weight. How typical is this? To me it sort of makes sense that since bile is being directly deposited into the stomach that food would move more quickly through the intestines but I haven't really found any info that relates to weight loss after GB surgery. Also I'm a 23 year old male so having gallstones at my age and my sex is rare I guess...


Reply author: Pip
Replied on: May 23 2005 09:28:36
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I ended up having my gallbladder out when I was about 23 years old - after my second pregnancy. However, this is a reply to the person who is feeling a little bitter about having her surgery and that she felt like she did not have a choice.

Believe me, you would NEVER want to go the route that I did. I could not have the surgery any sooner because I was pregnant. I was extremely ill throughout that whole pregnancy and had attacks constantly throughout my pregnancy. My baby was 3 months old when I pushed a stone out of my gallbladder, blocked my biliary tree (the vessels that feed bile out to the liver and the intestine) - hence I ended up with pancreatitis and almost died. I screamed with pain for an entire night and after all the drugs they gave me I was unconscious for three days. I then lived on Morphine for two weeks and nothing by mouth. Remember - there was a 3 month old baby waiting for its mom to come home through all of this - trying to keep my breastfeeding successful but could not because of all of the drugs so that was also depressing to be producing milk that was not suitable for my new baby. They had to do an ERCP (look it up - not fun!!) to cut the little opening out of the gallbladder to ensure that if any more stones blocked the duct they could pass. They had to wait until my abdomen was healed from all the inflammation of my internal organs before they went in to take it out, but they finally did a few months later.

Be grateful that you had your gallbladder out. Yeah, I have the weight gain thing to sort out too but you do not want to live through this scenario.


Reply author: Bunnyrae
Replied on: Jul 25 2005 22:12:07
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i thought i would write on this thing...well i had my gb taken out last week. i'm only 23, but i had a really bad diet. when i found out that i had my stones i weighed 225, and i'm only 5'3". i knew i had to do something about it. the day i found out that i had my stones, i thought i was dying so i went into the emergency room. i realized that it was silly for me to be eating the way i was and to have gall stones at 23 was ridiculous. i lost 25 lbs. before my surgery, and the past week i've lost another 10. my doctor told me to eat a lot of fruits and vegetables, and eat more fiber than i did before. the first two days after surgery he put me on a liquid diet, and i've slowly started eating "solid" foods again. i was told not to indulge in anything sweet and fatty because it will go right through me. i did't believe him and had a slurpee from 7eleven. i never heard my stomach sound like garbage disposal and i never had to run into the bathroom with out pooping on myself. but anyway, my diet is working and i haven't had the "runs" since.


Reply author: Dani
Replied on: Oct 03 2005 21:31:21
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Oh I'm so glad I googled this topic! I experienced ~20lb weight gain about 7 months after having my gallbladder out. SInce then I have joined the gym and work out about 4 x a week. I have yet to lose this weight. I barely exercised before and really would have expected some weight loss. I didn't eat great, but I think that my body just can't handle the fat since now all I have to break it down is my liver.


Reply author: amys65
Replied on: Oct 07 2005 15:31:44
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Wow, I am not alone! I had my GB removed in Nov. 99 at the age of 22, I weighed 110 @ 5'2. Within a year my weight jumped to 165. Now, I was kind of a unique case... I had no gallstones, they couldn't find anything on ANY test they did, but after 5 years I couldn't handle the pain any longer! So, on a hunch my doctor took me to surgery. After recovery he came to me with pictures and said he had never seen anything like it before but my GB was dead and would start rotting and eventually would've killed me!!! okay, well at least the pain is gone. I am now 30 (today) and stuck at 165, I eat nothing but chicken, fruits and veggies. No soda, sugar or sweets, I work out regularly and have been doing this for about a year now with absolutly no results... If there is anyone out there that has found something that works or a doctor that doesn't think your nuts by blaming the GB removal please let me know.


Reply author: spirit
Replied on: Oct 15 2005 18:01:13
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well i had my gallbladder out about 5 years ago and i think we gain weight because we are able to eat alot of things that we could not before.


Reply author: shelly31
Replied on: Oct 26 2005 07:37:46
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just wondering if your doctor mentioned about weight gain symptoms before you got the gallbladder out. Mine didn't , I am getting it out in November, now I am beginning to think maybe I should just opt to get the gallstones removed. Has anyone just got the gallstones removed, my consultant told me that its vile getting them out and they will come back. I didn't ask him why it was vile, just when I heard that they come back I decided to go with the gallbladder surgery. Now I am beginning to wonder if I am doing the right thing, maybe I should give the gallstones removal a go first.

I don't want to have weight gain, I spent the last two years losing 28 pounds and also I have read other side effects of gallbladder removal, diarrhea etc


Reply author: Herchel77
Replied on: Nov 02 2005 08:57:42
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I had my gb removed on April 22, 05. Two days later I ended up in the ER with bile in my urine and blood when I started vomitting uncontrollably. I was admitted because my liver enzymes were in sky high and had to stay in the hospital for a week. To this day, none of my doctors seem to know why my enzymes shot up and why I got so sick following the surgery. I am still in alot of pain but the upside of things is that before it was removed I could only eat toast. Now I can eat almost whatever I want. I just have to deal with the diarreah and pain following the meal. (the pain pre-surgery was unbearable.)

I think that is why I have gained so much weight. My portions aren't large and I don't eat junk food so I am hoping the gain stops soon.


Reply author: amys65
Replied on: Nov 02 2005 13:51:48
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My diet has never changed. fatty foods were not the cause of my attacks, I did not have stones, my GB just crapped out on me. I am and always have been a "health nut" The way I eat is no different now than it was then. The only difference is my weight. I find it hard to believe that post of Mr. Davis, We are not all just a coincidence!
With the diarrhea problem, that comes with the surgery but, if you eat things low in fat and more healthy foods, that problem will decrease.
As for my Dr. telling me about the weight gain, the answer is YES he did tell me it was possible because your GB breaks down fat etc. but now it has no where to do so, but highly unlikely because of my family history(skin and bones). boy, I showed him :~) Ijust wish I could find the secrect for my success!


Reply author: Petra
Replied on: Nov 04 2005 14:53:29
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I have an appointment with a Surgeon next week and properly have to have my GB removed. Did anybody had any drastic weight gain because of GB problems? I gained about 15 pounds within the last 8-12 weeks which was the reason I went to the doctor in the first place. All they could find was gall stones.


Reply author: babyivan
Replied on: Nov 14 2005 04:43:33
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I had my GB removed a week and a half ago, and let me tell you what I noticed.
First of all Ive had more trips to the bathroom but not diareah....except for today that is. The thing is that I dont eat much fat at all, in fact I had gotten stones because I lost 130lbs in about 7 months. Suppossedly, rapid weight loss is a major contributor to getting stones (who knew). I havent noticed any weight gain in this time. In fact, I felt that I had been getting away with eating more and not gaining weight due to the fact that my gallblaader is no more (go figure).
I will keep you guys informed of my progress from time to time as it has only been about a week and 3 days thus far.


Reply author: Bretagne95
Replied on: Nov 16 2005 01:49:35
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I have had stomach pains for the last few years and just recently found out I have a non-functioning gallbladder. I am also hypo-thyroid so I have to work REALLY hard to maintain my weight. I have to get my gallbladder taken out and I'm worried that I will gain even more weight on addition to the 10-15 lbs gained as a result of my thyroid disorder. Help! My biggest question is this -- I eat a very low fat diet, so if the gallbladder helps digest fat, why would my gallbladder be causing me pain?? For the few people who noted they lost weight -- what were your eating/exercising habits like before?


Reply author: babyivan
Replied on: Nov 17 2005 12:18:01
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If you have a non-functioning gb then getting it taken out will have no effect on you see as it wasnt working anyways.
And second of all, your not going to gain weight unless you eat fatty foods.....I dont buy the fact that when you have your gb removed you gain weight, I havent gained an ounce since Ive had mine removed!!
The thyroid issue can be another story, I know nothing about it so I cant comment. My brother's a nurse and when I get a chance I'll ask him about it :)


Reply author: canmax
Replied on: Dec 10 2005 14:44:23
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I just had gallbladder surgery at the beginning of November. I had severely impacted stones and was extremely jaundice and had surgery the old fashion way with the 8 inch incision. I had lost weight prior to my surgery and also lost 10 pounds during my 12 days in hospital. Since I've been home my weight gain has fluctuated from 6-10 lbs and it seems to be hard to pack on the weight. Does anyone else out there have problem?


Reply author: babyivan
Replied on: Dec 18 2005 23:34:19
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quote:
Originally posted by canmax



I just had gallbladder surgery at the beginning of November. I had severely impacted stones and was extremely jaundice and had surgery the old fashion way with the 8 inch incision. I had lost weight prior to my surgery and also lost 10 pounds during my 12 days in hospital. Since I've been home my weight gain has fluctuated from 6-10 lbs and it seems to be hard to pack on the weight. Does anyone else out there have problem?


I havent gained any weight as a result of my surgery.

I can understand your issue, seeing as your body doesnt break down the fat anymore, it goes right through you, (cramps, diahreah, and such)


Reply author: Jill Dew
Replied on: Jan 10 2006 10:37:15
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I just turned 54 -- had my gb out in 1990. A little history -- I had a child in 1985 and had put on 70 lbs, but I lost most of it after the birth. After the gb surgery, the weight started coming on, and rather quickly, I might add. To be honest, I never noticed until my doctor pointed it out. Denial ain't just a river, I guess. Anyhow, I've been thinking over the events of my life, trying to figure out what triggered the rapid weight gain. GB surgery was the only unusual thing in 1990. I was 140 at 5'6" and now I'm 245. I think I'm doomed because now I'm post-menopausal as well. I feel like I'm lugging around full-term twins!

Oh, and on a cherry note -- no one mentioned diet at all. None of the doctors thought the gall bladder served a real purpose, much like the appendix. Now, I'm not so sure.

The up side is all my levels are fine. No high cholesterol, blood pressure great, heart rate low and steady. It really gnaws at my doctor that the only thing he can give me a hard time about is, "You're too fat."


Reply author: jesstown
Replied on: Jan 27 2006 03:43:05
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Hi, i had my GB out last Febuary almost a year and i have gained 25 kgs same diet but now i excersise 5 times a week, which i never did! i drink so much water, and the doctors say its not my gall bladder been out but they dont offer any solution, i am on reductil but that doesnt seem to work, in desperate need of help, maybe even something homeopathic


Reply author: Jet
Replied on: Feb 06 2006 13:17:06
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I work in the field of nutrition and I've heard the same story from many people that have had GB removal.
Some practical things that have really helped people that I've dealt with has been doing a complete liver clease to help de-fat and support liver function. Many times when organs/glands are removed, the liver has a higher demand or bares the brunt. The two cleanses I recommend are 4total Cleanse by Genesis, and Ultimate Cleanse by Nature's Secret. Although I think if you can find any other formula which is similar to those two, that should suffice just fine also.

The other thing that really helps people to trim the extra gained weight off is digestive enzymes... particularly the ones for digesting and breaking down fats in the diet. First two products I can think of would be Lypo by Enzymedica. The same company also makes complete digestive enzyme formula's called Digest Gold, that contain Lypo (Lipase) in it plus all the other enzymes that digest things like protein, sugars, carbohydrates, fibers, etc.

The breaking down of dietary fats thru digestion is extremely important for appetite control (availibility and absorbtion of fats in food help stimulate the signaling agent that produces the feeling of satiation) as well as for absorbtion/utilization of many vitamins and minerals which are dependant on fat for the body to be able to use them.

In some severe cases of excessively fatty livers and/or slow sluggish livers, it may be necessary to continue on the liver cleanse for several months to see good results. I've heard upto 6 months for optimal results. However some people see results much sooner than that.
Some people also opt to add another supplement to this regime in order to increase the bodys ablility to burn off fat stores.
One formula I've seen to be particulary effective but yet an extremely basic formula is Lean Plus by Tattva's Herbs. The mushroom extract in that formula(coleus forskohlii) great for helping the body to trim off extra fat stores.

Hope that helps some of you. Ofcourse I would also say check with your qualified health practitioner before beginging any regimen that involves supplementation. Most areas of the country have great options for natural practitioners that are expirienced in these matters.
Good luck to all of you and God bless


Reply author: Lane
Replied on: Feb 06 2006 21:12:31
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Although I still have my gallbladder, the mention of fat gain around the belly makes me wonder... has anyone tried restricting their sugar intake? I gained weight in my belly too and started getting headaches. Recently, I stopped eating sugar and the headaches disappeared. (Still working on losing the belly.) Abdominal fat is most usually the result of insulin issues. Perhaps the same "bad" diet that led to gall stones has also led you toward insulin resistance? (An un-happy coincidence?)

Go off sugar for a couple of weeks and then tell us what happens! Best wishes!




Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Feb 18 2006 14:13:49
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I would like more information on the liver cleanse topic.I was happy to find other persons with my same issue. I was at my wits end not understanding why my diet and exercise programme was not working. I lost weight at first but my weight kept climbing.

I was never told of weight gain or the hurried trips to the bathroom after eating certain foods. What is so strange is that certain foods would digest fine for awhile. Therefore, I would think that it would be ok to include it in my diet only to find out that if I eat it again I would experience horrible pains and a bathroom visit. (GB removed just over a year ago.)


Reply author: Lainii
Replied on: Mar 04 2006 09:05:47
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Hello,

I had my gallbladder removed in May of 04', 1 month after my wedding, I was 23yrs old. At that time I weighed 120 lbs. Now nearly 2 years later I weigh 147 and am still gaining (rather rapidly as of late). I have not altered my diet. I started having medical problems around age 18, I was diagnosed w/Endermetriosis along with IBS, Gastritis, and Acid Reflux. So since age 18 I have maintained the same diet i.e. no fried foods, no mayonaise, no red meat, no spicy food, and only lactose free dairy. Due to the endermetriosis, I had to start taking Depo Prevera at age 18. From age 18-23 (5 years) I had maintained the same 120 lbs. Then BAM I have this gallbladder surgury and now I can not stop gaining weight. I've tried eating less, but to no avail. Meanwhile my husband can scarf down endless cheeseburgers and piles of fries and lose weight. The weight gain is causing me to be depressed, and now I have a negative self image at 25yrs old. My doctor tells me there is no correlation, but after 7years in and out of hospitals and several misdiagnosis, I've come to discover that doctors don't always know what they are talking about, and that often they just want to prescribe you the newest thing on the market, rather than listening to your problems. So I encourage all of you to do your own research. I've heard that Chinese medicine offers some alternatives, but I myself have yet to try it. Right now I am doing my own searching. I will keep you posted if I find a solution that works.


Reply author: slushpup2
Replied on: Mar 26 2006 22:24:49
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Hi there. I hope that someone still monitors this site.
I've been having some problems losing weight these past few weeks and couldn't, for the life of me, come up with a reason why. I've practically become a vegetarian and I'm doing more than enough cardio per week. At the pace that I'm working out, last year this time, I would have lost 10 pounds by now.
During the time that I was noticing this, I was also noticing that I was feeling a little uncomfortable in my "gall bladder" area (I've had problems before, about 5 yrs. ago). So this got me thinking that the bile that the gall bladder secretes has something to do with the fats in your body and maybe your metabolism (I'm thinking that my GB may not be secreting enough bile into my system).
While doing some research, I found this forum and I foun this site:

http://www.gallbladderattack.com/index.html#PROBLEMS

This site talks about the removal of the gall bladder and weight gain.
Hopefully this helps.


Reply author: baby_violet
Replied on: Apr 07 2006 00:10:19
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I was told by my doctor that I need to have my gall bladder removed and that it would actually HELP me LOSE weight!! Now I am wondering whether he knew what he was talking about. Will I actually gain or lose weight?? My real question is...Does anyone know SAFE alternatives to surgery?

Thanks for any advice


Reply author: ddballa
Replied on: Apr 10 2006 15:40:01
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I had my gall bladder removed in March 2005. Since then I have gained 17 pounds! : ( I have maintained my low fat diet. In fact, I lost 41 pounds just before needing my gall bladder out. Now, I can't stop gaining weight and I am very depressed! I continue to eat low fat and added excercise, but I am still gaining! I am very frustrated and wish I knew this could be a possibility, or I would have explored other options. Please be aware that this could happen to you! I will be looking into the options provided below to see if anything can help at least stop the weight gain! If I have any luck I will let you know!


Reply author: zipinthru
Replied on: Apr 13 2006 12:13:16
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Hi everybody, I am so glad to see other people with the same questions. I too have ben through gb surgery 6 years ago. I too have suffered sever weight gain, especially around the middle. I have made minor changes to my diet, only because of the diarrhea and cramps which are very painful. I even get the GOOSE BUMPS after eating certain things.
Prescription drugs for my metabolism have controlled the weight. The body has to be affected when an organ is removed. I was not talked to, just rushed to surgery.
I have been successful in losing 25lbs of the postsurgery weight but it is still confusing as to what is a proper post surgery gb diet???


Reply author: Jag1
Replied on: Apr 18 2006 23:03:35
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I had my GB removed 1 month ago and have gained 10 pounds. It is logical. First pre-GB removal you are quite sick often at least I was. Having attacks and quite tired so therefor was inactive for the most part and often unable to eat alot. After I had my GB removed, well I began eating and since I was sick for so long I was now eating foods I had not been able to the whole time I was sick. Anyways, I started eating more but because I was in recovery from surgery my inactivity remained the same - LOW. A person gains weight by a simple formula...energy in is greater than energy out. So I was eating more but with a low activity level. If you have weight gain any other than this you need to contact your physician but I would put my money on the fact that you are eating more and moving less. Be honest with yourself if you really want the answers. You are only kidding yourself. Start eating less and moving more. Simple.


Reply author: greatone
Replied on: Apr 19 2006 15:50:01
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I agree with the post that what occurs is you eat more after gallbaldder removal which causes the weight gain. It only takes a little (300 calories a day) to cause a large increase in weight over a period of time. If you consumed 300 more a day in a little over 100 days you would gain 10 lbs. You may not even realize that you are consuming these extra calories but you may be because of the lack of pain and not being as afraid to eat food as you were when you were ahving the attacks. Also, if the bile does not break the fat down and it causes diarrhea that should only make you lose weight and not gain it since the food would not have been absorbed by your body.


Reply author: shaltord
Replied on: Apr 21 2006 13:52:49
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I had my gall bladder removed 2 months ago. I am 27, healthy, active, and have no history of disease in my family. I was suffering with pain and nasuea for the last year when the attacks finally became severe enough to see a doctor. After a HIDA scan they found that my gall bladder just stopped working properly.
After surgery I lost about 4 pounds the first week. I think it was becuase I was afraid to eat. After I was told that altering my eating pattern completely may help with any complications after surgery and diahrea. And may make me not so hesitant to eating, I started eating every 3 hours small snacks/meals. Never feeling hungry or full. I have lost a total of 14 pounds to date. I have continued working out like I had and eating healthy food but in smaller quantities more often during the day. My only problem that I have found is that I poop quite frequently throughout the day in large quantities. It isnt diahrea, but isnt quite solid. Is this normal, will this stop? It isnt much fun to feel as though I have to go to the bathroom and need to go 'now'
I didnt mind the weight loss at first but now that I have been continuing to loose the weight I wonder if having to go the bathroom frequently has something to do with it. I weighed 140 lbs prior and now am down to 126lbs. I am 5'6 and athletic and havent weighed this low since my freshman year in high school. Should I be concerned?


Reply author: mom3
Replied on: Apr 26 2006 11:02:55
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My daughter had her gb out at 8 years old due to sphercytosis. She too has had a increse in her weight. 1o lbs within 2 months then 10 more lbs. over 8 months. The doctors say she is eating too much, but her diet or exercise habits have not changed. This is taken a very emotion toll on her with name calling from her brothers and some kids at school. Her legs have doubled in size with very bad stretch marks. Any advice?


Reply author: ljbrooklyn
Replied on: Apr 28 2006 07:02:03
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I had my gallbladder out 9 days ago and have lost 5 pounds ..which is great ... and because my appetite is not what it was before.... I had lost 16 lbs in 3 months prior to surgery from diet and exercise... I am hoping this will keep up as i have about 20 more pounds i would like to take off... I had gained weight quickly about 5 yrs ago from ati depressents..has anyone lost weight due to gall bladder removal? Laura


Reply author: vivace95
Replied on: Apr 30 2006 18:57:02
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I had GB surgery about 3 months ago and have gained 25 pounds despite dieting and exercise. Does anyone have similar problems, suggestions, or solutions...help!!

Thanks!


Reply author: partyprincess_19
Replied on: May 02 2006 12:57:19
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hey,
its late here in australia n i was up doing an assignment when i got side tracked and started googling various things that i was curious about lately that concerned me... i googled "gall bladder complications" as i have had quite a few since having mine out, i felt releived and at the same time frustrated to come across this forum and i just decided to register so as to respond and share my experience.
Mine is not about the weight gain, i didnt experience that at all. Actually after the surgery i had become borderline anorexic from being a healthy slim teen. More devistating than this is the fact that i "URGENTLY" had my gall bladder removed at the age of 14 ( *sigh*) after a year of gut renching sharp pains in my stomach that lasted hours and occured at least 3 times a week. I was so scared. The ironic part is after they removed it the surgeon came in to tell my mother and i that there were infact NO gall stones in my gall bladder and that it seemed very healthy, then went on to re-assure us that the opperation was still the right thing to do and obviously due to my severe pains there was some kind of problem and i would be rid of such pains in the future. I didnt grasp how serious this "MISTAKE" was at the time, i was only 14 and more concerned with how long it would take the scars to fade ( which by the way still havnt faded well and are there to remind me 5 yrs later of the trauma i endured). So a year later, very underweight, i started experiencing the pains again.. not as severe but they started creeping up on me again and i almost didnt want to beleive it and kept them a secret from my mum for a few months after until i could no longer hide it. Back to the doctor i went and it happened that he was on vacation at the time and i was seen by his replacemnt who was very disgusted to say the least that at 14 i had my GB removed, he sent me off for a full set of blood tests. A week later i go back with my mum to see him with the results... turns out i had a stomach ulcer ALL ALONG. i was so crushed and my mother was confused at first and then when she realised what had happened she was furious. We did nothing about it. I took the course of medication for the ulcer and have since been fine, i just have to watch certain foods.
Gosh that felt good to get out, ive kept that bottled up for 5 yrs!
thankyou for taking the time to read my story, i hope that it may make a difference in the awareness of false diagnosis, and for people who are experiencing stomach pains who may just be suffering from an ulcer and NOT gall stones..
take care.


Reply author: mlb184
Replied on: May 05 2006 11:47:40
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I had my GB out a week after giving birth to my daughter, I was 20 years old. This was over a year ago. I have gained over 20 lb since I had it removed. I have gone on a very strict diet,and workout plan, and can't loose weight, in fact I keep gaining. I never worked out or dieted before. I would love to find the answer to this problem. My weight is mainly in my midsection. I'm tired of being an over weight 21 year old!!! If anyone has the answer let me know please!

mariah


Reply author: mlb184
Replied on: May 05 2006 12:04:11
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I forgot to mention that I had my thyriod tested as well, and everything is normal. I also had other tests done to make sure it wasn't something else, and every test came back fine, nothing else is wrong with me. I wasn't informed that I was going to gain or could gain weight from this. I didn't have much choice, I was rushed into the ER after being sick to the point of vomiting stomach acid. They didn't give me the option of just opting out of the surgery.
My doctor wasn't any help, he just told me that's life and to suck it up and take it. Not the answer I was looking for, and I'm not willing to settle for the body I have now. I'm doing everything right. I don't eat fatty foods, so that's not the problem either. So to all those saying its the way you eat or what you eat, that's not the problem, and we need to figure out how to fix the real problem.

mariah


Reply author: Joela
Replied on: May 09 2006 13:27:44
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I have been seeking advice and support in this area as (like many have said) I was never made aware that weight gain could happen after GB surgery. My friend had her GB out in July of 2005. And I found out I had a rather large stone in December 2005.

My problem situation happened a little differently than most. I had progressively gained 10 pounds a year from the time I graduated high school until I started having back pains. Shooting back pains around my upper right side. Naturally I visited my doctor about this in July of 2003. She told me it was muscle spasms and to get up in the middle of the night (since my attacks always happened in the middle of the night?) and walk it off. Which I did - for a year.

By this time my long awaited wedding was quickly approaching and I wanted to fit in my dress with no alterations. I promptly joined Weight Watchers and shed 35 pounds very quickly. With the weight loss I thought my back problems would go away (I thought my doctor was a nut when she told me that it was muscle spasms and I self diagnosed myself with back pain due to over weight-ness. Understand I wasn’t fat, just overweight.) I was married in December 2004 and I was happy and trim and felt great…except for the middle of the night shooting and agonizing back pain about once a week. I tried everything from laying flat on my back in the living room to extremely hot baths at 3am.

The pain persisted through the weight loss (and subsequent low fat foods that went with my diet). Another year goes by and the pain continues. After a rather grueling 9 hour night of pain I decided I had to go to the ER and determine what these mysterious muscle spasms were and the only way to do that was visit while I was having them. The ER nurse, who took my vitals before I was even admitted said, “That’s your gallbladder.” My year and a half old stone (yeah I only had one) had grown to the size of a golf ball likely because of my weight gain and rapid loss as well as being a fertile female at 25.

I had it out two weeks later. During my recovery I really didn’t pay my diet plan any mind because I wasn’t eating much anyway. Well, I promptly went back on Weight Watcher because I wanted to loose some more weight as well as maintain my good dietary habits. Surprise! 20 more pounds?!

For those of you who think weight gain is due to us (who have gained weight) changing our eating habits and not noticing or just ‘blaming’ the surgery for it - I can assure you I have not changed any of my eating habits and I maintain (and maintained prior to the surgery) a strict fat and caloric diet. I log and note every calorie and food item I put in my body, and did before the surgery (on the same system lost 35 pounds in a healthy manner) yet now the same amount of sustenance puts weight on. Also understand that because I was originally misdiagnosed I never changed my eating habits before the surgery as I had no clue what was causing my pain and never referenced it to food since it was in my back (under my right shoulder blade). I was never informed of the possibility of weight gain by my surgeon however (like someone said earlier) the ER doctor mentioned that some people live with it and choose not to have surgery. However at my follow-up appointment I was made to believe that surgery was the best route of action and that I would have no side effects (my surgeon even told me I could eat WHATEVER I wanted as soon as the surgery was complete). I can’t rightly say how I would have decided had I known (this much) weight gain was a possible side effect.

I thought perhaps I was an isolated incident or mine weight gain might have been caused by some other undetectable thing – however I am leaning toward the cause being the surgery because that is the only thing it coincides with. I’m just glad to hear that I’m not the only one who has had issues with this particular problem.


Reply author: pccgirl813
Replied on: May 23 2006 14:11:56
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I also had attacks while pregnant but couldn't have surgery until my baby was born. It got bad enough that I did get pancreatitis and was in so much pain I would JUST SCREAM at the top of my lungs. My baby was born a month early by induction because I had to get the gallstones out. I am having a horrific time losing weight. Because I was so sick during pregnancy, I only gained the weight of the baby/placenta/amniotic fluid... literally, I gained less than 15 pounds and walked out of the hospital weighing my pre-pregnancy weight. But I had shot up before that, gaining 35 pounds in three months for no reason (my diet hadn't changed at all). Also have had thyroid tests come back negative. It is ALL around my middle. Nothing on my hips, legs, butt... It's all on my belly. I'm glad to know I am not the only one because I felt like I was losing my mind!


Reply author: travelbug
Replied on: May 23 2006 23:58:46
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I am so glad I found this topic online. I thought I was the only one who gained weight after gallbladder removal. I was a size 7 and 40 years old when I had it removed. I started to gain weight around my midsection immediately after having it removed. I went up to a size 16 in 2 years. Doctors were very cruel about the weight gain and not supportive at all. I have chronic constipation since the surgery. I am 46 now and after going to the gym and dieting like crazy I am down to a size 12. But I never feel that well, and it is a constant struggle. Now I find out I have high cholesterol, which I have never had before. I hope somebody will see my comments and story and tell me they have a doctor with some answers.
Nobody told me this was a possible side effect and I now wish I would have exhausted my options before having it removed. Gallstones were the reason I had it removed.


Reply author: CAQ
Replied on: May 24 2006 22:37:05
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I had my gall bladder out 10 years ago. My doctor put me on various hormone pills to avoid doing a hysterectomy and after a year of the hormone therapy, I still had the hysterectomy and 30 days later they had to take my gall bladder because a side effect to the hormone pills was the risk of gall bladder damage (so my doctor said). In all I have gained 40 pounds. I have been exercising, weightlifting, and watching my food intake. I lose a little and then go right back up. I don't take hormone therapy, so I never knew if all my weight gain was due to the gall bladder, or the hysterectomy. I did not realize so many people had the same problem. The only thing I have never tried is the Cleanse products mentioned above. I'll post my results either way.


Reply author: ramonaleah
Replied on: May 27 2006 17:51:53
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I, too, did a Google search for this topic. I had a total abdominal hysterectomy in February of 2005. I was 31 at the time of the surgery. I ended up having complications and had to return for another surgery later that same night. By God's grace, I had lost 50 pounds prior to the surgeries so weight was not a great concern for me at the time.

However, 6 months later I began to feel sick. I had pain every time I ate. I went to the ER the first time and told them I had pain in my chest. I was admitted to the hospital as a heart patient. Needless to say, it wasn't my heart. Get this...FOUR ER VISITS LATER they discovered it was my Gall Bladder. They had done x-rays and kept asking me if my gall bladder had been removed. I told them I had alot of stuff taken out over the years, but never my gall bladder. They didn't believe me. Turned out that the thing had shrunk up and wasn't working plus I had a stone in a duct. I was a lovely shade of yellow!! Anyhow, I finally had that surgery, too.

Now, my abdomen is not what it used to be. My muscles are really weak and I have gained 20 pounds. I cannot excercise well because of my muscles being so weak. I was told to eat next to no fat. But we do still live in America, home of fried chicken and mile high pies!! I did fine untill recently. I am having pain in the top of my stomach area when I eat and pain at the surgery site. My husband cannot figure it out because there isn't much left in there to take out. (I have had 7 surgeries in my life, 3 being in the same year!!) I am taking Zyrtec and Rolaids. I can live with the extra fluff because I have 4 sons and can blame it on them. HEHEHEH But the pain is another story. I hope you all find the help that you need with your issues! Thanks for listening...er..uh...reading!


Reply author: 1023kitty
Replied on: Jun 06 2006 12:28:19
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Hi everyone, I just want to start by stating that gall bladder removal is by far a contribute to weight gain. In 2003 at the age of 34 I had to get my gall bladder removed. Prior to that, I've had years struggling with hypoglycemia and in 2004 was diagnosed with a goiter enlarged on my thyroid gland without it causing any abnormality to my thryoid, according to tests. However, prior taking the surgery, the doctors never discussed that I would gain weight or what foods to avoid after the surgery. I weight 130lbs prior to the surgery and now I weight 156. I exercise faithfully, alot of cardio and I work out with weights and still I struggle and get a bit discouraged at that at times. When I try to avoid certain foods my blood sugar tends to drop leaving a fatigue, weak feeling and then I have to start inducing more calories to keep my blood sugar from getting too low. But this all was the same for me prior to the surgery. So you know what, we're not just circumstances, just mininformed and that's not right. I asked my physician last year if gall bladder removal is in relative to weight gain, he told me no it would be just the totally opposite. I don't know, you're guess is just as good as mine. But one thing I'd like to say, we're all going through this for a reason, a reason not looked at properly through health care physicians. I just want to tell everyone going through this struggle, try and keep your heads up high and keep a positive attitude. Keep working out if you do, and stay low on the fatty foods and carbs. It's a battle, but it's apart of our reality.

Take care.


Reply author: angelgirl
Replied on: Jun 16 2006 12:00:11
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Yeah, I'm not alone!! I am 30 years old have struggled with my weight for as long as I can remember, I finally thought I had it under control, then I had my gb taken out about 18 months ago & the weight reared its ugly head. Like most of you, my Dr didn't say anything about weight gain. Now I am 40 lbs heavier & eating less & exercising more then b4 the surgery, and have a very low self-image. I gained 30 lbs in the first 4 months and slowly keep creeping up. I feel that my weight gain is hendering me in starting a family we desperately want. I have tried eating fruits & veggies only with my IBS they don't sit long with me. I am also lactose intolerant & have acid reflux, so I don't eat or drink much if any milk products or spicy foods. I am trying to eat more yogurt, which helps keep my belly calm (less trips to the restroom) but nothing seems to help lose the weight. I think I will try the cleanse thing & see if that helps. Let me know if any of you find something that might help me drop some poundage! Thanks!


Reply author: kjcarson
Replied on: Jun 26 2006 22:12:18
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I read and article about gallbladder removal and your body now not being able to produce bile salts to aide in the digest of fats. I am trying a bile salt called Cholacol. I have to take 2 pills with each meal. I will let you all know if it works.

I myself had my GB removed in 96, my doctors haven't been able to find a single thing to explain the weight I gained and my lack for it not coming off. Been there done that with all the life changes in diet and style. Nothing has worked. It has been 10yrs now and I still suffer from the poos when I eat fats. I have found if I drink a LARGE amount of water with a fatty meal that it doesn't make me go potty right away.

I am keeping my fingers crossed that I will find a cure someday as my health now depends on me losing some weight.


Reply author: Dimples
Replied on: Jun 29 2006 04:54:53
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I am so glad i googled this topic and found this forum

I joined weight watchers in Feb 2005 and within 3 months i had lost 28lbs. I then had my GB removed after years of pain and misdiagnosis. Since that day i have not been able to get under the weight i was then despite still maintaining a low fat diet and exercise regime. I just can't shift any weight at all and i have been feeling really low about it because i thought it was somethign i was doing wrong.

Now i have read this thread i have realised that it is down to my GB removal and i am so relieved, i just with my doctor or surgeon had bothered to tell me about this possible side effect before my op. They just said the GB was a worthless organ just like the appendix.


Reply author: rhinnon
Replied on: Jul 07 2006 13:13:53
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Hello,

I am new here and was looking online for information about wieght gain after gall bladder removal. I happened upon this site. I have read through all of the postings and I find that there are drastic differences in some of the results. I had my gall bladder out 1 1/2 years ago. Prior to the removal I lost 70 pounds and could not eat next to anything. I was reduced to about 1/2 cup of oat meal a day. Okay so that would explain the drastic weight loss. Like others they could not get any results from the tests except to recreate the pain in the test where they inject the hormone that makes your gall bladder work. So finally I was down to about 140 pounds @ 5'10" and they decided to take it out. I still have some of the stomach pains but it is getting better. I have modified my diet so that I am eating better then pre suregery. I kind of liked lossing some of the wieght.. Just not all that I did. My physical activity is measurably increased as I run a farm and train horses every day as well as the goats and chickens I am moving from about sun up to sun down. Since my surgery I have gained 90 pounds and I have no idea how to get it off. I do also have a thyroid issue but I am being treated for it and have been since I was in my 20's. So I am still left to wonder what exactly is going on. I agree that this can not all be a coincidence, especially after reading what I have here. But what to do about it?? I am ont sure but if anyone comes up with any good ideas please let me know.. I would really appreciate it.


Reply author: mountaingirl
Replied on: Jul 07 2006 14:16:51
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I had my gallblader removed 11-1-02. I lost a lot of weight before. they did a test called hepatobiliary scintigrahy. this said my gallblader was only working at 18%. anything under 30% is when they condider to take it out. I was doing pretty could after the surgury for about a month. Then the pain and diarrhea came back. They called my problem chronic post cholecystectomy. The doctor have me on a medication called colestid it is a cholestral medication but it is also for this condition. what is does is absorb extra bile that is in the system. they said the liver still sends out the bile. The gallblader is supose to store it untill you need it. without it there the liver usally will only send what is needed. with me it was sending to much and the medication helps greatly. I still have problems but not as bad. i thought the medication was causing my weight gain i can see that It is not. look up post cholecystectomy on the web there is info about this. This is the first sight I have found about weight gain.


Reply author: Rebecca
Replied on: Jul 09 2006 14:39:16
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I had emergency removal of my gall bladder five days ago. There was no time for thinking about alternatives. I had a massive painful attack full blown with the fever, chills, vomitting, etc. My liver enzymes were through the roof as well as white blood cell counts. I had an infection. I am feeling better each day but my stomach is still bloated. I recently lost 65 pounds on a protein sparring diet after gaining a lot of weight over the years and especially after having uterine cancer and a total hysterectomy two years ago at the age of 33. So, I have been on hormone replacement therapy. I guess after all of this hard work of losing weight, I am afraid that it is all going to creep back on because of the GB removal. I am trying to read anything I can about this. The rapid weight loss (7 months)is most probably the cause of my stones. I feel like I have a double whammy when it comes to battling the stomach bulge. My weight loss was a lot more rapid everywhere else except my belly. Now this. Has anyone out there had gall bladder issues after a major weight loss and what has been the result. I am so ready to go back to the gym and I am afraid to eat.


Reply author: kjcarson
Replied on: Jul 13 2006 17:45:52
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I posted on June 26 about starting to take a bile salt. I have some hope now. I have lost over 5lbs since then. I take the bile salt (cholacol) usually 2-3 times a day, don't always remember to have it with me.

I have not had stomache or bloating from my meals now. I am still seeing the lbs coming off. I'm going to through in some more exercise, since its the summer months here and I can get outside more and work on more water intake. I would recommend trying the bile salt and seeing if it helps.


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Jul 14 2006 13:27:53
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The issue with the use of bile salts sounds interesting. However, here in the Bahamas I have having difficulty finding bile salt (cholacol. kjcarson if you have any more information on this subject please send. I would much appreciate it. Information on where to purchase (health store, food store, drug store etc.)? Is there another brand name for product?


Reply author: kjcarson
Replied on: Jul 14 2006 17:52:20
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I found it at a Health Food Store. Cholacol is just one like brand name. It was hard for me to find as well. You can also try just finding a bile salt. If you can order online go to amazon.com and do a search for bile salt in the health and beauty items. They sell bile salt and cholacol.

Good luck!


Reply author: dede
Replied on: Jul 24 2006 18:29:39
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Wow. I was really glad I checked this forum. I had my GB out in Nov. of '04. I weighed 120 pounds. I have been better about what I eat. I work out three times a week, and I have gained 20 pounds! And I can't get it off. I don't know what to do. Reading all these posts has made me feel better, knowing I'm not the only one and that it just has to be related to the GB removal. But I want the weight off! My boyfriend is concerned about my weight gain and started working out with me. Of course, he has since lost 14 pounds and me, nothing. Talk about depressing. I'm going to try those bile salts and the liver cleanse that I read about earlier. I also have the problem with running to the bathroom after meals. You would think that would help keep the weight off since it seems like everything is just running right through you. My doctor also told me not to worry about my diet afterwards and I could eat anything I wanted. I never lost weight prior to the surgery because my attacks were only occasional. If anyone finds a way to get rid of that extra weight, please post it!

tazzn


Reply author: Dabell
Replied on: Jul 25 2006 00:36:11
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The digestive tract (mouth, stomach, large and small intestines), liver, gallbladder, and pancreas make up the digestive system. The gallbladder, which is linked by small ducts to the liver and small intestine, acts as a storehouse for bile, the substance needed to digest fats. After you eat a meal your gallbladder empties bile into the intestine to help you digest your food, especially fats.

One night I woke up with very bad pain ( the kind of pain when you just know something is not right) I didnt know what it was! I rushed myslef to the ER. After having every test to man, the doctor told me that I needed to have my gall bladder removed. At this time in my life I was not thinking about myself. I was trying to hold my family together, while knowing my husband was involed with a women from his office. At the age of 35, I had it removed. Afterwards, It was found that I had gall bladder cancer. I had all the signs, Yet, I thought I was getting sick because of the fear of loosing my husband. I even lost most of my hair. Who knows if it was from nevers and stress Or from the sickness itself. Doctors dont have all the answers.
At the time I was 35 years old and in a size 9/10 Jr's. Now I am 40 years old, divocred and wear a size 20w. This is very hard for me to be this heavy everything hurts me! It seems I gain 20 to 25 lbs a year. I been on WW'ers.. Nothing! Now I really am trying to Not eat any Fat what so ever.. in 4 weeks I lost 2 lbs. I look at myself and it gets me ill. I am very much thinking about getting a Lap or bypass ( weight loss ) done. Yet My INS. is giving me a hard time paying for it. I sit in front of the mirror and cry! I hate how I look! I sometimes feel that I should have never agreed to remove! That way at least I would have died thin!


Reply author: kath00
Replied on: Jul 27 2006 00:03:37
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I had my gall bladder removed in March 2006. I had no stones it just was not functioning. I lost 5 lbs the week after the surgery but then things changed. I have been chronically constipated ever since the surgery. I have tried increasing my water intake, increased fruits, grains and fibers with no luck. Everything I eat causes me to swell up like a ballon. I weighed 185 before my surgery. Now I weigh 200 lbs. My diet I thought had changed for the better but the weight gain is crazy. I have been packing on inches around my waist and thighs. It is so depressing because I know I am not eating more than before. My doctor told me that I would probable lose weight after the surgery because my bile would be running all the time.
I'm glad to see that I am not the only one with this kind of problem. My husband had his gallbladder taken out several years ago. When he eats fats he runs to the bathroom within 30 minutes and has lost weight. He is not understanding on why I'm packing on weight when we are eating the same kind of food.
I'm looking for something that will make me feel normal again. What seems to work?


Reply author: ukerprincess
Replied on: Jul 31 2006 01:19:17
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I had My GB Taken out in an "emergency surgery" the emergency being that for the week before they took it out they told me i was getting heart burn i was on zantac 150's 4 times a day and still the pains getting worse finally after a week a doctor decided to do a simple urine test and because i was so jaundiced figured was the GB (oh ya and the 20 stones I had) anyways on with the actual topic I was 145 im 5'8 that was in 2001 I am now 220 and rapidly growing.
I dont buy the crap that its what i eat cause i still get such bad diareah and cramps that i can barely eat and when I do i don't get how im gaining weight cause im on the toilet within Minutes..I will check also on the bile salt pills at this point im ready to do anything I was not even this big 9 months pregnant I was always a very slim girl till the GB removal...will let you know

ALSO have any of you women noticed a change in your menstration I used to get mine for only 2-3 days and lite now its every 2 weks for a full week and NOT lite at all...


Reply author: acwan
Replied on: Aug 05 2006 19:06:17
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My husband had his GB removed in January 2006 and he's gained 20 pounds in the 8 months since then. The good thing is it has scared him enough to finally take action on healthier eating and exercise habits, which were non-existent pre- and post- surgery.

However, in contrast to what the doctors said about losing weight, he seems to be gaining weight very quickly despite little change to his dietary habits. It seems like he doesn't seem to be digesting the fatty foods he eats at all. After a fatty meal, he has to make a run for the bathroom, but then he also gets a lot of acid in his stomach. He also gains a lot of weight (mostly fat) from one meal. For instance, after only eating lunch yesterday (dim sum), he gained 3 pounds overnight. Although the meal was pretty fatty, it still shocked both of us to see him gaining weight so quickly. After all, he didn't eat that much.

We're going to try a fruit diet only from now on, with little carbo or meat products and also supplement his diet with a daily one hour workout routine to see if it can at least stabilize his ballooning weight gain and bring it under control (we're not even trying for weight loss, just a stable weight!) The doctors we've spoken with don't seem to have any explanation for this problem other than that it must be due to "lack of diet and exercise," and refuse to make any link between the GB removal and his weight gain, even though we suspect now that there must be a connection.

This is the only forum that I have found where I've heard of people having similar symptoms to my husband's post GB removal and it would give me great comfort to hear anything you may have tried that works!


Reply author: abcm
Replied on: Aug 06 2006 23:49:34
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I had gb surgery in Apr 2005. My doc advised me prior to surgery to not eat pig, cheese, choc, pastry, margarine,cakes ( approx 3 mths ) and also for 3 mths post-surgery. This time frame incl my dad's 80th BDay and Xmas! I survived the whole ordeal by sticking strictly to this diet and lost a lot of weight. My cholesterol went from 6.9 to 6.1 over this time. In all I stuck to this diet over about 12 mths, when I then started eating most of these foods again, and started putting on weight again! I've discovered the most fattening foods seem to be CHEESE & CHOCOLATE & HAM!!! Now I'm not saying not to eat cheese at all, cause we need calcium, but creamed cottage cheese and ricotta are low in fat, smoothies with low fat high calcium milk and fruit and frozen yogurt are yummy, and using pastrami instead of ham or bacon in recipes is very tasty also. I've decided to revert back to some of these practices, cause cheese, choc, and ham have ALWAYS been my weaknesses. By mid afternoon I am craving something sweet so I have a Milo ( hot choc ) with marshmallows. Not having a gb makes it hard to digest adequately some foods therefore it makes sense to me to take care with what we put into our stomachs. By the way not eating fatty foods doesn't guarantee losing weight as someone was concerned about. Not eating regularly and not eating a balanced diet will not help to lose weight.

abcm


Reply author: denise
Replied on: Aug 14 2006 09:58:50
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hi, i too had gall bladder surgery recently and began gaining weight-however i have discovered if i will drink atleast 3 and better yet 4 bottles of water a day and not drink the sugary teas and sodas i am losing now-denise


Reply author: denise
Replied on: Aug 14 2006 10:08:32
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reply to kath00---my situation was the same as you describe-initially i lost then i started gaining and i swelled up like a baloon and everything i ate made me swell and i was constipated and full of gas---my doctor advised magnesium citrate-its a bottle of liquid in a green bottle-it tastes like a super sweet super salty sprite and it isnt fun to drink but it will clean you out good with no cramping-then i started walking short jaunts to move the gas--i had hemorrhoids and they were causing the bloating and constipation-i am happy to report now that i am losing again and feeling great--hope this helps--you can get the mag cit at dollar general for a dollar and drink the whole bottle-it works-also get some hemorrhoid suppositories and use them even if you dont have evidence of a hemorhoid -maybe you have internal hemorhoids


Reply author: denise
Replied on: Aug 16 2006 17:20:27
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hey someone needs to put something new on here....


Reply author: lcarli
Replied on: Aug 17 2006 02:19:39
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Wow...I am so glad I am not alone. I had my gall bladder out 5 years ago and I slowly started gaining weight. I was always 5'4" and 115. I am now 140. Most of it is around my mid section as well. I have been tested for different things and they haven't found anything wrong with me. I eat very healthy and am a runner. I hike and keep very active but still, I gain lost of weight. I am struggling to keep my weight at 140 and am afraid to see what will happen if I ever get pregnant again. I have tried the LA weight loss where lots of people have results but I had none. I may have lost 3 pounds but would gain it back quickly. They thought I was cheating on my diet and kept asking me if I was sneeking anything in that wasn't allowed. I really do believe that the gall bladder is to blame and I wish there was a suppliment that could be taken. Even if it was a natural one. Does any one know of anything that may block or break down fat....natural? Good luck to all of you who have this problem...I haven't found anything to help yet.


Reply author: denise
Replied on: Aug 17 2006 08:06:34
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reply to icarli-

hang in there-read all 7 of the pages here and someone will have some advice for you i am sure


Reply author: glorificuss
Replied on: Aug 21 2006 10:59:53
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I'm so glad I'm not the only one. I had my gallbladder removed in February of this year, and I have not been able to lose one pound. I've tried exercising and maintaining a diet, but I get little to no results. I thought maybe it was just me...

As far as the person saying the we can eat what we want now...have you had your gallbladder removed??? We're under more restrictions now because the gallbladder is out.

I find that I can actually still eat what I did before, but can react at various times. For example, I had scrambled eggs and sausage one morning for breakfast, no problem. The very next day, I had the same combo, and I headed for the toilet. There's no consistency with me.

Anyway...good luck to all of us...this is definitely not an easy road.


Reply author: abcm
Replied on: Aug 22 2006 02:23:49
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glorificus, perhaps having the second lot of eggs and sausage was the mistake. You may be able to handle some food every now and then but not too often in the week. I am like that, I limit my egg and bacon intake to every now and then but certainly not twice in two days. Just a thought. Good luck.

abcm


Reply author: mej770
Replied on: Aug 23 2006 15:10:54
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I am also looking for some answers. I am 31 years old and have been battling with my weight for as long as I can remember. In March, I was finally at my lowest weight in over 7 years and had to have my Gall Bladder removed. I was told that my weight loss may have played a part in the formation of stones, lucky me. I had to have open surgery because my gall bladder was infected (i had close to 100 stones). I was told that I was not allowed to go to the gym for 6-8 weeks so I expected to gain a couple of pounds. Well, I gained 25+lbs. Now I am at my highest weight in 10 years. I have gone from my lowest weight in a decade to my highest weight in a decade in less than 2 months. My eating habits have not changed, I work out regularly, not to mention that I cant keep anything in. No sooner do I finish a meal, then I have to go to the bathroom. How do I continue to gain weight if nothing stays in my stomache? I have had the thyroid tests, etc. also, but all negative. Only a couple of months ago I was at my happiest, now I am extremely depressed and highly discouraged. If anyone has advice, I would greatly appreciate it.


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Aug 23 2006 20:27:11
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Does anyone have an answer. Does the person using the bile salt have any new results.I am at my wits end. I wish I knew about the weight gain before I had the surgery.The surgery have not been of much benefit.I have to be very careful what I eat when I eat or where I eat because I am afraid to embarrass my self as I make a mad dash for the nearest bathroom.I agree with a previous writer. How could you keep gaining weight when there is the constant urge to eliminate your food on most occassion shortly after eating.


Reply author: denise
Replied on: Aug 23 2006 21:12:49
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hey folks

ya'll try not to get too discouraged. i remember being really bummed out immediately after the surgery when i first realized that i was gaining weight and not losing like i thought i would have been doing but then once i found this forum and got over the initial dissapointment i recovered. i makes no sense that if you have to immediately rush to the restroom and eliminate after you eat that you would gain weight but that does seem to be the way that it is my husband had his out years ago but he has to go to the bathroom right after every meal and he is still putting on weight i am back to normal bathroom habits and it has only been a couple of months for me since surgery. i do best if i drink 3-4 bottles of water per day and get a short 20 minute walk in.you guys hang in there and just focus on your blessings denise


Reply author: BrownEyes
Replied on: Aug 26 2006 20:53:42
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I am really glad that I found this forum. I am scheduled to have my GB taken out next week. Am quite anxious about the actual surgery itself but can't wait to be out of pain. My doctor informed me that I was to eat low fat for 4-6 weeks after surgery. Does anyone have any suggestions or recommendations that you could provide me? Did the person taking the bile salts have any luck with them?


Reply author: denise
Replied on: Aug 27 2006 18:45:19
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reply to brown eyes

the surgery (for me) was a piece of cake....nothing to it..i didn't even get the pain pill script filled. i used tylenol and ibuprofen but i don't recommend you take anything that has in the past constipated you because you dont want to get constipated. so only take for pain what you know you can tolerate without side effects--i went back to work in 5 days but i went back too soon -i think you need a couple of weeks to get over the anesthesia if for no other reason. i immediately ate whatever i wanted. papa johns pizza that night. i didnt alter my diet at all. i have a cast iron stomache. just listen to your body and do what it tells you to do. drink alot of water and expect fatty greasy foods and lettuce to make you run for the toilet....


Reply author: denise
Replied on: Aug 27 2006 18:49:13
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regarding bile salts --ck out the posting from kjcarson on page 6


Reply author: BrownEyes
Replied on: Aug 27 2006 20:14:19
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Thank you very much. I will certainly look for the Bile Salts and remember what you said. Again Thanks!

quote:
Originally posted by denise

reply to brown eyes

the surgery (for me) was a piece of cake....nothing to it..i didn't even get the pain pill script filled. i used tylenol and ibuprofen but i don't recommend you take anything that has in the past constipated you because you dont want to get constipated. so only take for pain what you know you can tolerate without side effects--i went back to work in 5 days but i went back too soon -i think you need a couple of weeks to get over the anesthesia if for no other reason. i immediately ate whatever i wanted. papa johns pizza that night. i didnt alter my diet at all. i have a cast iron stomache. just listen to your body and do what it tells you to do. drink alot of water and expect fatty greasy foods and lettuce to make you run for the toilet....


Reply author: dede
Replied on: Aug 27 2006 21:07:54
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Well, I finally lost a few pounds. I have been eating 1,000 calories a day for about the last five weeks and I'm down 7 pounds! I can't believe it. This is the first time since I had my gb out in Nov. of '04 that I have been able to drop any weight. I would do this for weeks before and nothing. I did the liver cleanse tea for a few weeks at the beginning and I'm not sure if that's what kicked it off or not. I'm drinking way more water than I used to and since I cut back on a lot of fat, I'm not running for the bathroom as much as I used to. I'm also trying to get on the treadmill three times a week. I just hope my body doesn't figure out what I'm doing and start storing up again! I don't want to hit that plateau where my weight levels out and won't move. As for the person who is getting ready for surgery, I agree, it was a piece of cake. I was up and about two days later, but take your time going back to work. I had staples and all I could wear were sweats. :P Hope someone else out there is having some luck also!


Reply author: denise
Replied on: Aug 29 2006 18:16:05
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reply to dede

i didn't have staples/i had glue with little pieces of tape..how soon did you go back to work and how long do you say one needs to wait before going back to work? i say 2 wks


Reply author: dede
Replied on: Aug 29 2006 18:24:05
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I was lucky. I'm a year round teacher and this all happened right when I was about to go off for a month. I had the surgery and had three weeks to take it easy. I would say two weeks also for staying off work, but I think my doc said I could have gone back after 1 week. I think that would have been too soon. Especially with my job since I'm on my feet all day walking around the room. If you have a desk job, it might not be so bad.


Reply author: Jones
Replied on: Aug 30 2006 03:06:19
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I am up tonight because of the bloating from GB removal. I was searching for anything to help with the uncomfortable effects and I stumbled on a website dedicated to help with everything to do with gallbladders. You can even find BILE SALTS and other products to help. The website is www.gallbladderattack.com. I have never used any of the products but the site has great info on if you should remove your gallbladder all the way to how to keep your digestive system in check after removal. Let me know if you try or have tried any of these things.


Reply author: Farah
Replied on: Aug 31 2006 07:41:02
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I am so glad I bumped into this forum...ever since I had my gall bladder surgery, I have been gaining a lot of weight...no proper couseling was given prior to surgery. I wish the doctor had told me that I would gain weight...I would've postponed.

It is quite discouraging to see all this weight sticking to me. I wish someone had an answer to solve...I read about the bile salt. I have scheduled an appt. to see my physician to see how I can bring this weight issue to some kind of control. I am glad I have many sailing on the same boat.

I will let you know if I get some positive feedback. Someone mentioned about bile salt...has that helped. Please let me know.

Frustrated me


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Aug 31 2006 13:01:07
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I don't have and answer concerning the bile salt matter. However, for those with bloating and constipation issues I have discovered that 2 aloe capsules with a large glass of water at bed time gives great relief.


Reply author: BrownEyes
Replied on: Sep 04 2006 17:38:14
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I had the surgery laproscopically last week. All went pretty well. Turns out that my GB was very inflammed. I started running a fever about the time that I got to the hospital for the surgery. It's not quite as bad as my 2 c-sections were when it comes to getting up from a lying down position. LOL Pain hasn't been horrible. I'll definitely try the aloe tablets. I am on the low fat diet. For the most part, I feel okay. I had previous "weight issues" that decided to stick around after my kids were born. So I do have weight that I would like to remove. I plan on trying to stay on the low fat diet and adding exercise when I can.


Reply author: alli6
Replied on: Sep 08 2006 16:14:29
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i am scheduled for gallbladder removal in 1 week. Should I go ahead with it? Has anyone had a good experience with no weight gain over time???


Reply author: denise
Replied on: Sep 08 2006 19:32:13
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I would not have the surgery if I knew in my heart that I could do without it. What does the doctor say about whether or not you should have it? If you are in pain and have gallstones then yes by all means have it. If you are like me and I didnt really have to have it I would think twice about it. I didnt have gallstones and my gb turned out to be mildly irritated when they got to it but it was not functioning at 100% when they did the hida scan. I am beginning to lose weight but i have to stay away from greasy fried food and drink alot of water......Good Luck


Reply author: BrownEyes
Replied on: Sep 17 2006 13:29:49
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If it is a medical necessity - such as if you GB is inflammed - then by all means go ahead with the surgery. You wouldn't want to risk the possiblity of it bursting.

quote:
Originally posted by alli6

i am scheduled for gallbladder removal in 1 week. Should I go ahead with it? Has anyone had a good experience with no weight gain over time???


Reply author: sewhappy
Replied on: Sep 19 2006 11:19:54
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i had my gallbladder out last Wednesday (9/13) and didn't realize I would be sore, but it's getting better everyday.
My gallbladder was functioning at 17%
I have had pain, nausea, vomitting for a year now.
The first doc I went to said, "just lose some weight and you will be better"
Well, I was 176 when he told me that.
I am hoping to "lose" weight now, but feel like I am gaining weight since the surgery. A couple of pounds.
I am on a low fat diet and am running to the bathroom.
I wasn't able to have a bowel movement until two days ago.
Constipation has been a problem for me for at least a year now.
I am going to get the bile salts and also the liver flush.
Thank you to everyone who posted.....can't find anything on the web about gaining weight post-surgery.


Reply author: Lori
Replied on: Sep 25 2006 14:55:12
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I had GB surgery a litte over 2 years ago, I have gained between 35 to 40 pounds, all around the waist. I'm trying to find out if the weight gain is related to the surgery. My diet is no different now than before.


Reply author: Lindz
Replied on: Sep 26 2006 04:07:25
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I had my GB removed in May of this year. Since then I have been eating less, exercising more, making more health conscious choices like whole grains and fresh veggies, etc. This does nothing to stop the weight gain that I have been experiencing. I have never been what I would classify as extremely thin, but there was a time that I could fit into a 6 or 8 rather easily, but now I am facing having to buy pants that are size 14 or 16 just to have a level of comfort and to avoid looking absurd in the too small pants.
Wish that someone had a link in this forum to a doctor or somebody ACCREDITED to deal with this problem that clearly so many of us are facing.


Reply author: mlb184
Replied on: Sep 30 2006 01:09:20
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I'm Not alone!! I was 21 and had just given birth to my daughter. Two days after getting home from the hospital I became terribly sick. I figured I had picked up a virus or something, but two week of pain, and vomiting I went to the ER. They told me it was my gallbladder and rushed me to surgery. I was never told of the side affects. I have gained 35 lbs since the surgery. I weight 15 lbs more than I did while I was prego. I have been to the doctor,and had all the test done ( thyroid, blood sugar, etc.) They can't find anything wrong, and haven't giving me any help for the problem. I've always been thin, I've always had healty eating habbits, so it's not because I'm eating stuff I couldn't before. I have cut calories drasticly, I excecise regularly. I'm tired of being over weight, and feeling so discusted with my body. I'm only 22!! If anyone has any suggestions, on how to get this fat gone LET ME KNOW!!!

Thanks!!

mariah


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Oct 18 2006 18:01:10
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quote:
Originally posted by kjcarson

I posted on June 26 about starting to take a bile salt. I have some hope now. I have lost over 5lbs since then. I take the bile salt (cholacol) usually 2-3 times a day, don't always remember to have it with me.

I have not had stomache or bloating from my meals now. I am still seeing the lbs coming off. I'm going to through in some more exercise, since its the summer months here and I can get outside more and work on more water intake. I would recommend trying the bile salt and seeing if it helps.




Hi all!! OH MY GOD, I am so glad to hear that I'm not going nuts and that my weight gain is due to this evil gall bladder removal!! I have been MISERABLE for 2 months and have gained over 20lbs!! I work out at least 4x a week, watch what I eat, if I eat at all, etc.. and I am driving my boyfriend nuts w/ my bitching about my weight gain!!
I did some research and spoke w/ a German woman that highly recommends a product called Cuts 2...I am going to try this product and keep you all informed..she also told me to drink hot water and lemon all day if I can and have a couple cups prior to bedtime,,this flushes the liver..
kjcarson, thanx for that info as well..pure choline is supposed to help but it's hard to find..Cuts 2 has choline along w/ other vits we need..i will try both..


Reply author: shaltord
Replied on: Oct 23 2006 11:44:31
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Lets see if I can send my message now. I just want you to know that I didnt experience any weight gain. Actually I experienced a weight loss and have been searching the web to see if that is normal. I am down about 13 pounds since my surgery in Mar.2006. The weight loss is alright with me but it is a lot to have lost and I am continually losing or maintaining that weight. I think that the weight gain has something to do with age, eating habits, and excersise. You are unable to eat much before the GB is removed and then once it is you dont realize that you are eating more becuase you are not getting the pain you did in the past. It is normal to gain weight as you get older. It is part of life. It is virtually impossible to maintain the same weight you were in your early 20's.

quote:
Originally posted by alli6

i am scheduled for gallbladder removal in 1 week. Should I go ahead with it? Has anyone had a good experience with no weight gain over time???


Reply author: TucsonCarl
Replied on: Oct 28 2006 23:41:17
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I read with great interest the posts on weight gain after gall bladder surgery. I had my gall bladder removed 6 months ago. I have maintained a constant weight and waistline for all my adult life. Since removing GB, my waist has gone from 33 inches to 35 inches. I feel like a blimp. My diet has been low fat before and after, with no change. I exercise regularly (befroe and after). I did not suddenly begin eating fatty foods after GB removal like some imply. Every doctor I talk with says this is not a side effect of GB surgery. So, my question is to all the people who posted about the same problem, what did you discover?

Carl


Reply author: Jill
Replied on: Nov 01 2006 04:57:17
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I had my gallbladder removed 2 years ago and have gained 25 lbs since then. The gallbladder aids in the metabolism of fats (good and bad)so without it you have faulty fat metabolism and you store more than you break down. The liver has no way of knowing how much bile to expel and often expels too little (constipation then develops) or too much (loose stools then develop)

Hope this helps, from Jill (Registered Holistic Nutritionist)


Reply author: rheaedge
Replied on: Nov 04 2006 23:45:54
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I had my gallbladder out exactly 13 months ago. Before I had it removed i weighed around 120, but 8 months after having it removed i went up to 165 and now i am up to 179. I am a short person who has always been skinny and little. I have a small frame and i cannot handle this weight gain. I am in my early 20's. I excercise and I am always active but i keep gaining weight in my mid section that i cannot get off of me. It looks like im a fat woman in the waist when the rest of me is small. I have had everything checked and the doctors can not figure it out. I lost all of my weight after i had my daughter and have never had any problems with my weight. This is surreal. Please if anyone has any advice on what to do to fix this please email me back.


Reply author: kkratz57
Replied on: Nov 06 2006 08:31:40
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Yay, I found others like me!

I had my gallbladder out Feb 2006. I was 185 pounds at the time (I'm only 5'2). Took me longer to recover, but once I did, I started right back to the gym working my way back in. I tried WW, too. I was working out like mad and watching my calorie intake, but I think I only shed 3 pounds. I got frustrated, so I stopped WW, but continued working out. I put those 3 back on plus 2 more.

12-13 weeks ago, I started working with a personal trainer at my gym, which is attached to a health food store (how convenient). We both know darn well I've packed on muscle. I'm a ton stronger. My eating habits did not change, in fact they may have improved slightly. I've been doing cardio, too. I have my trainer completely baffled as to why I GAINED weight, didn't lose any body fat pct and have only shed a half-inch in the arms, an inch in the legs and a half-inch across my chest. She's been working me really hard, too.

I've been having RUQ pain and an increase diarrhea lately, too. Just had bloodwork done again and my third ultrasound of 2006. He suggested I eat bland, but I couldn't hack it for long...especially since I've worked hard to make sure I eat my veggies, whole grains, lean proteins, etc. I have a follow-up appointment with my doc tomorrow.

My trainer is going to do some research this weekend, and if she suggests supplements such as bile salts and some liver cleansing, I'll be asking my doctor if this is ok before we do any other kind of invasive tests.

In the meantime, I've been reading the book Mastering Leptin (recommended by my trainer) and trying to follow his 5 rules (which is easier than one would think), hoping this would just start fat loss and put my system back in order. I'll let you know how it goes!

I'll let you know what my trainer finds and whatever else I come across.


Reply author: Amy T
Replied on: Nov 09 2006 14:41:36
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I just knew it! I knew my weight gain was due to my gall bladder surgery. I didn't have a choice on it being removed due to it being completely full of stones and I had two stones stuck in my duct right above the pancreas, which I was informed could be life threatening. I'm glad the surgery was done because I am better in every way except for the weight gain. I have always been thin with a slim waist and after the surgery it was a steady climb on the weight gain. I talked with my doctor who said "nope not the reason" B.S.! I used to do medical research and I'm telling you this weight gain is due to the gall bladder being removed. A very high percentage of us report the weight gain in the same area, which seems to be centered around the waist line/abdominal area. I never had belly fat and now I do and my exercise and food intake is the same prior til and after the surgery. Sooooo regardless of what the doctors say who here knows of any herbs/diet that can mimick the function of the gall bladder?

P.S. - My surger was 2yrs ago and I have gained 25lbs around the abdominal area. Yuck!


Reply author: hannelore
Replied on: Nov 19 2006 15:32:12
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I had my GB removed almost 30 yrs ago when I was just 25. For nearly 3 decades following the surgery I suffered from explosive diarrhea, i.e. as soon as I ate I often had to run to the bathroom. I thought it was nervousness because doctors have confirmed to me over and over that gallbladder removal has no negative consequences for digestion or otherwise.

I have tried every diet (vegan, vegetarian, meat, fish only, raw foods only) and was able to keep my weight constant even on the vegan diet only with exercise (aerobic and weights) 7x per week. Aside from an occasional sweet tooth binge, I do eat very moderately and have difficulty maintaining my weight. I gained about 40 lbs in the last 10 years when I began eating meat again and now have tremendous difficulty losing any of it - even with regular exercise. Most of the weight accumulates in my midsection.

I learned about digestive enzymes about a year ago and my digestive problems are a lot better now, although i do have difficulty digesting onions, garlic, beans, and sugar.

I just read an article in Dr. David Williams' alternative medicine newletter, stating that he considers it a criminal offense that patients who have gallbladder surgery are never told they need to take bile salts afterwards (and for the rest of their lives) to ensure proper digestion. Dr. Williams says that with all of the transfatty acids in everyone's diets these days, even people with healthy gallbladders do not produce enough bile salts because transfats inhibit the production of bile salts.

Standard Process makes a product called Cholacol and he recommends taking 2 right before a meal. It's available from Village Green Apothecary at 1.800.869.9159.

I am ordering it right now. If anyone is taking this product already, i would love to get some feedback about your experience.

lori


Reply author: Pianogal
Replied on: Nov 22 2006 08:01:48
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I had my gall bladder removed August 11, 2006. Since then have gained 10 pounds in spite of exercise, drinking water and WW online. It looks like we are all experiencing the same problem----so what is the solution?? Please!!!


Reply author: rere33
Replied on: Dec 01 2006 09:01:42
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I had my gallbladder removed when I was 18. I was in constant pain and always in the ER. Sadly to say for the first 6 months, they didn't find anything wrong with me. They said I had a problem digesting greasy foods and had to taks antacids. Once the pain got to the point when I could only lay down, cry and vomit, they scheduled me for an ultrasound. They found 5 stones and my gallbladder was inflammed. I weighed around 170 before the surgery. After that, I have not been able to keep any weight off. It's like what ever I eat sticks on me. I diet and exercise just to keep at the weight I'm at now, which is about 80 pounds heavier than before. I wouldn't recommend this surgery to anyone unless your going to get a gastric bypass as well.

rere33


Reply author: kkratz57
Replied on: Dec 05 2006 21:41:18
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Ok, I may have some answers, but I'm not sure becuase I *just* got them. Please refer to my post above on this page for my background situtation.

I went to see a certified homeopathic doctor today. After his examination, his determination was candidiasis...yes, yeast through my digestive system. It seems there may be a connection between poor liver/gallbladder function and the emergence of candida overgrowth. Very interesting.

So, I'm taking 3 different supplements to aid in getting rid of the yeast plus a very restrictive, but clean diet so the yeast can no longer thrive. I'm also taking a digestive enzyme supplement with added lipase and ox bile (Pan Ox 5 by Douglas Labs). I will be doing a weekend liver flush in another week or two.

If this all helps me out I'll be sure to re-post and let you know. In the meantime, if you can seek out a homeopathic professional, by all means DO IT! You can also take the following quick test and spit tests...

http://www.candidasupport.org/candidatests.html


Reply author: kmorin15
Replied on: Dec 09 2006 14:15:52
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i have breast cancer and we have a sight with great info. however reading this sight(because my daughter has had her gb out and has gainged weight) i do not see any info on how to corect the problem of gaining weight after surgery. so if anyone has another sight to go to or info on this please let us know. i will check around on some sights and keep all of you posted.


Reply author: kmorin15
Replied on: Dec 11 2006 11:02:13
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AFTER GALLBLADDER REMOVAL KIT
Indications for the need of this kit would be digestive problems as listed under gallbladder symptoms. The gallbladder secretes a more concentrated form of bile than the liver does which assists with emulsifying the fats in our diet. With the removal of the gallbladder, supplemental bile salts can help to take up the slack. They are concentrated, purified bile salts. The HCl and Activator help to stimulate digestion which was part of the root of the problem in the first place.

1 BILE SALTS
1 HCl
1 HCl ACTIVATOR

Dosage: 1-2 bile salts per meal and 1 HCl and 1 Activator opened and added to water per meal. See directions.

Price: $56.00
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WEIGHT GAIN AFTER GALLBLADDER REMOVAL KIT
Whether you have had your gallbladder removed or have gallbladder problems, weight gain can occur due to impaired breakdown of fats. The products in this kit help to digest the fats you are eating as well as those you have been actively accumulating in your body, including the liver. This also helps with the digestion of protein and can help with nutrient absorption.

1 BILE SALTS 1 MEGA ACID A
1 BHB FAT METABOLIZER
1 MULLZYME 1 SUGAR CRAVING FORMULA TRIAL 10 PK

Price: $105.00
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hope this is some help i am going to get this for my daughter i will let you all know how it works


Reply author: acwan
Replied on: Dec 16 2006 22:59:02
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Just had my husband try Cholacol and instead of helping him, it led to his old nemesis: heartburn! He said it felt as if he had his gallbladder back. What to do?


Reply author: pcollins
Replied on: Dec 17 2006 10:18:23
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Its hard for me to believe SO MANY PEOPLE blame their weight on gall bladder removals. I had my gall bladder out years ago, as do most fat people, and I recovered. Overeating tends to be 99.99% the cause of weight gain. There are a few people who have residual problems from surgery, and there is a section under Disease for everyone who has bad results with Gall Bladders to talk about those problems in excruciating detail.

Phyllis


Reply author: acwan
Replied on: Dec 19 2006 03:02:25
Message:

My husband continues to use Cholacol and says the bile salts are helping him digest fats better. He also doesn't get the runs as much. So looks like there may be something to it.


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Dec 19 2006 10:20:18
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Responding to Phyllis. Not all overweight persons overeat.As a matter of fact many of us, do not eat enough, for fear of gaining more weight. Thus, the body goes into starvation mode and simply hold on to ever ounce of food eaten.For example I never ate breakfast, I rarely ate lunch and ate small portions of dinner. I rarely ever snacked,I walked briskly for an hour five days a week and continued to gain weight. Recently on the advice of a dietitian I begun to eat three meals a day and snack on popcorn (plain not buttered) if I felt hungry at night, and included 20-30 min cardio five days a week. I was amazed that I am slowly but gradually losing weight.It is a misconception that all overweight persons overeat.


Reply author: kkratz57
Replied on: Jan 09 2007 15:13:43
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I agree completely. There are so many other issues out there beyond gallbladder removal which can impede weight loss progress.

I wanted to provide an update to my posts on page 10. I've lost 5 pounds! I eat a clean, candida detox diet (there are several out there), and I even cheated a little over the holidays. The inches are starting to budge, too. I'm still taking the digestive enzyemes (Pan-Ox 5 - it has extra Lipase for fat absorption). I will cease my probiotics and this other upper GI support supplement this week. I am still taking Candibactin-BR by Metagenics to help rid me of the overgrown candida. My bowel movements are NORMAL and I feel leaps and bounds better.

I did 2 harsher liver detoxes, and now I'm embarking on a 28-day cleanse. This should set me straight.

I think what people can take away from this forum is that you definitely need to take some sort of digestive enzyeme. If this doesn't help then it's time to look at the liver. The liver can also become congested not only with toxins but also with stones. Since the liver helps with regulating metabolism, removal of the gallbladder can really shed light on liver deficiencies.

Here's to hoping everyone finds their answer!!! I believe I've found mine!


Reply author: moviegowns
Replied on: Jan 11 2007 10:25:47
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I had my Gallbladder removed in 1996. I had all the side effect stated here by everyone, diarrea, dull pains (which I still get), steady weigh gain with no major changes in my diet, and resistance to losing weight through diet and exercise. I finally went on weight watchers last year and after half a year of working out 5 days a week and sticking to my points, changing up my food etc.. I still only lost 18 pounds total. I tried every platue breaker trick known to man etc.. and I still gain wieght the minute I slip off my already strict diet. I only eat roughly 1,200 to 1,400.00 calories a day and my weight just sits there. Low fat to boot. I try changing up my food daily and drinking tons of water but to no avail. I recently had all the blood work test run, thyroid, diabeties, hormones, cholesterole you name it we did it all to find out what is going on and found nothing? Talk about frustrating. My regular Dr poo poo'ed the idea it was because of my GB being removed but I truly believe it is the main reason for all of this. It has been 10 years for me and my weight just kept creeping on and on and on until I hit 195 last year. The funny thing is I gained all over so it was hard to see the weight gain to my friends and family. They would say oh you only gaind maybe 20 pounds but in reality I had gained 50. I too before surgery could eat normally and never gain. I had to have my GB removed because I had a gall stone the size of a nickel in my GB and by the way they can't remove the gall stone only use an ultra sonic wave to bust them up into smaller stones and then hope you pass them without problems. Maybe they can now but in 96 I was told ultra sound or surgery. I chose surgery because I was told that even if they busted up the stone I would still have pain and that the smaller stones might pass or they might just calcify into larger stones and I would be right back to where I had started in the first place. If they could just remove the stones none of use would be in the boat we are today. I do feel that DR's are not giving you enough information when they suggest the surgery and have not done enough post operation studies to know what the after effects are of the removal of the GB. To this day none of my Dr's can tell me who, what when or where about why the weight gain, why the bathroom trips etc.. I figured out on my own that a LOW or non fat diet curbed the Bathroom trips but I still get an occasional emergency. Mine is when I skip Breakfast and eat lunch I notice I am running for the bathroom? Like there is just too much bile for my digestive tract to handle and I have a blow out? I have my weight down to 180 but it is creeping back up again and I just am at my wits end when diet and excercise don't seem to help. I am not looking for a quick fix just one that works. We are told get your diet straight and excercise by our Dr's but what they don't understand is we are doing that and it is not working? It has to be a direct result of loosing the GB. There are too many of us with the same complaint. There is always going to be an exception to the rule and there will be people who's loose intstead of gain but that really seems to be the minority in this situation? Sorry for the long post but I have been dealing with it for 10 years and have really had it? It is a cruel joke on us.


Reply author: moviegowns
Replied on: Jan 11 2007 10:57:07
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Another intersting fact I forgot to mention is I only weighed around 130 when I had my GB removed and have always been active and watched what I ate even through two pregnancies prior to my GB surgery and never had a weight problem so I don't want to hear you probably just have been eating too much from the peanut gallery who come here to say were are all just in denial and lying about our eating and that is the real reason for our weight gain. Everybodies bodies are different. Some can adapt to the loss of the GB and most cannot. Count yourself lucky if you managed to maintain the same weight size etc.. but don't down us and say we are making excuses. How many diets and exercise programs can one person do before they give up? I am tired of watching every stinking calorie that I eat and every fat gram only to remain the same size and never improve to a level I am comfortable or happy with. Especially when you see shows like the Biggest Loser etc.. and they loose it doing the smae things we are doing but with on key factor they didn't loose their GB. I am going to look into the digestive salts, liver cleanse and such and see if it helps. Can't hurt I have tired everything else I can think of and have been told to do. I have 10 years of experience with trying it all and the Dr's telling me it is diet and excercise when it is not. Been there done that bought the T-Shirt. Wake up GI Dr's and take a better look and listen to what we have to say. Some may exaggerate the problem and lie about their habits but most of us are speaking from experience over the years. Why would I make excuses at this point. I am just SOOOOO Frustrated! Sorry again for the long post but it is frustrating. I was happy to find this forum as it confirmed what I already had known for years. I just had finaly had it today and went searching for help to find this topic and had to share. Thanks for listening!


Reply author: Riverlady
Replied on: Jan 13 2007 22:38:40
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kkratz57, where did you get your products from? I had my GB out in Oct. and gaining weight mostly in my stomach.


Reply author: Christy
Replied on: Jan 14 2007 20:36:20
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I was wondering, I also was at a healthy slim weight and then had my GB removed and now have gained weight about 50 pounds and cannot for the life of me lose it... I have tried WW but nothing is helping and I exercise and eat healthy. Someone today said I should be using "Bile Salts" and they would help me lose this extra weight, has anyone experienced weight loss when using this product? Thanks


Reply author: denise
Replied on: Jan 19 2007 16:49:23
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I can guarantee you from experience that the weight gain after surgery is a real phenom. I am living proof of it. I am doing everything right and the scale doesn't budge and if it does then I just go right back up after eating anything sweet or fried. I used to could maintain my weight with little or no effort. Now I am sol. Please someone give me some feedback.


Reply author: denise
Replied on: Jan 19 2007 16:50:51
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My weight gain is mostly in my belly. I stay bloated.


Reply author: denise
Replied on: Jan 19 2007 16:53:47
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The post by Bill Davis on page one of this forum is wrong. I actually eat less than prior to surgery. I also still pain in the same place I had pain before the surgery. Does anyone know if this is scar tissue. Does anyone have any feedback on pain after surgery in the same place.


Reply author: kkratz57
Replied on: Jan 20 2007 22:55:07
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Riverlady -

I got my products through my local health food store. The Metagenics products are practitioner strength/grade, and I could only get them after seeing the store's homeopathic doctor. You can find them online (try Amazon.com). I started out with Ultra Flora Plus DF (probiotics), Endefen and Candibactin BR. I'm still taking the Candibactin BR and the enzyme below. I'm not taking the other two because I'm doing the 28-day cleanse with Ultra Clear Plus/Ultra Meal Rice and Adva Clear.

The Pan-Ox 5 by Douglass Labs can probably be found online, too. I had started taking these prior to seeing my doc, so we decided just to let me continue on them.


Reply author: stephanie t
Replied on: Jan 22 2007 16:32:12
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Hi there, there is plenty of good help and advice to be had. I use a professional nutritionist and health coach who has not only helped me lose weight but a good number of my family. He has provided more than useful help for all of us who all had various medical conditions or post surgeries. you can get him at www.myhealthabc.com the guy is called Vincent and he will help you. My uncle had his gall bladder removed and he uses the same guy. You have nothing to lose except weight.


Reply author: CHATTYPATTY
Replied on: Jan 24 2007 12:34:49
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quote:
Originally posted by Rebecca

I had emergency removal of my gall bladder five days ago. There was no time for thinking about alternatives. I had a massive painful attack full blown with the fever, chills, vomitting, etc. My liver enzymes were through the roof as well as white blood cell counts. I had an infection. I am feeling better each day but my stomach is still bloated. I recently lost 65 pounds on a protein sparring diet after gaining a lot of weight over the years and especially after having uterine cancer and a total hysterectomy two years ago at the age of 33. So, I have been on hormone replacement therapy. I guess after all of this hard work of losing weight, I am afraid that it is all going to creep back on because of the GB removal. I am trying to read anything I can about this. The rapid weight loss (7 months)is most probably the cause of my stones. I feel like I have a double whammy when it comes to battling the stomach bulge. My weight loss was a lot more rapid everywhere else except my belly. Now this. Has anyone out there had gall bladder issues after a major weight loss and what has been the result. I am so ready to go back to the gym and I am afraid to eat.




Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Jan 28 2007 09:51:00
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I'm so glad I found this forum!

I've read thru all these pages and there seems to be a correlation with weight loss prior to GB surgery. I too had lost weight, about 25 lbs due to diet/exercise and I think this is what causes the gallstones. I seriously dispute anyone that says everyone has just gained weight because they're eating whatever they want! My eating has pretty much stayed the same and I've never weight so much in my ENTIRE LIFE!

Post surgery I'm 40+ lbs in 6 months. Have to go to the bathroom the second I'm finishied eating (if I even get to finish sometimes).
I'm going to try the bile salts and liver cleanse and see how that works.

kkratz, I have had an on/off recurring yeast problem for the past 2-3 yrs. I've tried everything and no matter what it always returns. Not a typical yeast infection but something I have to go to the dr for. Not sure if there's a link there or not.


Reply author: CynthiaAnn
Replied on: Feb 01 2007 11:22:52
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Could some of you please post up a sample of a current day's worth of eating?

I have some co workers with the same problem with the GB being removed and I'm wondering if there are some things we can tweak to help ease some of the problems you are having.

Also list all exersise.

I believe that having your GB removed will make weight loss more difficult. I'm just trying to help.

Cynthia


Reply author: Ekaterina
Replied on: Feb 03 2007 18:27:37
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Hey everyone, I am so confused on what I should do. I'm 19 and have gallstones, all the doctors want me to have surgeory, like its nothing. I want to try some dissolving medication first. The upper side of my back hurts every night and sometimes I feel feverish. During the day I sometimes get very cold, maybe I have poor blood circulation. But anyway, i dont want to have the surgeory because even though the doctors say that being w/o a GB is fine, I know that it isn't. I really don't know what to do. And also, I know this may be a little embarrasing but lately I have pooing so much that I have to flush the toilet twice because it gets so full. Could that be because of eating healthier and that would be just extra fat or bad stuff in my body finally coming out? ANyways, maybe someone can help.


Reply author: takiraah
Replied on: Feb 14 2007 20:28:36
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I am happy I also found this site. I had my gb removed 14 years ago. Prior to the removal I started gaining weight gradually. It was gradual because I always ate a certain way to keep weight off but after the surgery it didn't keep weight off but it somewhat slow the gaining process because I didn't eat sugar breads etc very often anyway. However in 1999 I needed to have surgery again because of fibroids that started growing. By the time I was able to have that surgery done my body reacted like I was pregnant. I continued to put on weight at an alarming rate by the time I was able to have surgery I was up to 250 pounds. My doctor said the tumor had grown to the size of a full term baby. After that my weight seem to continue to go up and i remember the doctor told me after the gb surgery my body would not be able to break down fat so weight gain would be very hard to lose and that is why I stayed conscious of that fact. After all the medical issues I had and the weight gain started after the gb and onward I am now almost 300 pounds. It is so depressing because nothing I do seems to work. I can eat right I can exercise daily and the weight won't come off. The funny thing is that I'm not an excessive eater and yet I have all this weight. I have taken diet pills, B12 shots nothing works. I use to cut back or diet and exercise and see results ASAP. Not anymore. I just wish some one could tell what can I do to get my body to work in harmony with my physical circumstances? This weight I carry around is not healthy for me and i truly can't stand it. When I tried talkng to my doctor about it he said I need to just eat cereal. I told him, he only said that because when you see someone over weight you naturally believe all that person does is eat. Well that was not the case for me. Also I have just eaten cereal and I gained. So it's not just about how much a person eat and drinking water but to eat in the way that would work with my current system.


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Feb 19 2007 15:16:47
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Has anyone tried Nu-zymes? I saw a commercial on tv for it. They showed a demo of the guy putting oil in 2 glasses of water. In one of the glasses he added nu-zymes and the oil dissolved. In the other, the oil just stayed on the top.

Since people with their gb removed cannot breakdown fats properly (or so it seems) maybe this enzyme (nu-zyme) would help do the trick. It's marketed toward people with digestive problems.

Anywho, anyone tried this product? I think I'm going to try it out.


Reply author: Boston Dotty
Replied on: Feb 24 2007 05:34:59
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i had my gall bladder removed maybe 30 years ago and did gain some wight after.but it soon came off . i think maybe because of the recovery time after surgery we tend to eat a little more without realizing it because we are not active during recovery we tend to put on some weight . my diet did not change after surgery ,i was not restricted at all .

Boston Dotty


Reply author: Boston Dotty
Replied on: Feb 24 2007 05:40:20
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quote:
Originally posted by takiraah

I am happy I also found this site. I had my gb removed 14 years ago. Prior to the removal I started gaining weight gradually. It was gradual because I always ate a certain way to keep weight off but after the surgery it didn't keep weight off but it somewhat slow the gaining process because I didn't eat sugar breads etc very often anyway. However in 1999 I needed to have surgery again because of fibroids that started growing. By the time I was able to have that surgery done my body reacted like I was pregnant. I continued to put on weight at an alarming rate by the time I was able to have surgery I was up to 250 pounds. My doctor said the tumor had grown to the size of a full term baby. After that my weight seem to continue to go up and i remember the doctor told me after the gb surgery my body would not be able to break down fat so weight gain would be very hard to lose and that is why I stayed conscious of that fact. After all the medical issues I had and the weight gain started after the gb and onward I am now almost 300 pounds. It is so depressing because nothing I do seems to work. I can eat right I can exercise daily and the weight won't come off. The funny thing is that I'm not an excessive eater and yet I have all this weight. I have taken diet pills, B12 shots nothing works. I use to cut back or diet and exercise and see results ASAP. Not anymore. I just wish some one could tell what can I do to get my body to work in harmony with my physical circumstances? This weight I carry around is not healthy for me and i truly can't stand it. When I tried talkng to my doctor about it he said I need to just eat cereal. I told him, he only said that because when you see someone over weight you naturally believe all that person does is eat. Well that was not the case for me. Also I have just eaten cereal and I gained. So it's not just about how much a person eat and drinking water but to eat in the way that would work with my current system.

insist that your doctor do a thyroid test . believe it or not after an illness or surgery your thyroid can go crazy . a hypothroid condition can cause you to gain weight rapidly and feel very sluggish

Boston Dotty


Reply author: moviegowns
Replied on: Feb 26 2007 08:40:06
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Maybe there is hope now? There is a fat grabbing pill out there called Xenical. You can find information on it at www.xenical.com. It basically allows you to not absorb 1/3 of the fat to take in. If you eat a low fat diet and take this medication it should help trigger your body to using the fat stores instead of storing fat because it is eliminating most of them during digestion. The down side of the medication is that if you eat fatty foods you could be running for the bathroom much more than you are now. It forces you to eat healthy because of the side effects but also helps you eliminate alot of the fat you take in before it ever gets digested. It was approved by the FDA for over the counter sales starting June and will be called Ollie I believe. I am going to talk to my Doctor about this medication and see about taking it. It can't hurt I have tried everything else. This is not a miracle diet pill but certainly an aid to those of us who seem to store every darn fat gram we eat. My GB ordeal has been a 10 year nightmare with no one or any Dr's who will give me the time of day with my GB theory! I will post how the Xenical is working for me after I have given it a good run to see how it works etc....


Reply author: bladderbgone
Replied on: Mar 01 2007 02:34:15
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Hi Iam 35.Done gb removal about 4-5 mos ago.experienced weight fluctuation due to diet and exercise.I lost 10 lbs in 45-60days by drinking 2 liters of bottled water a day, and eating 5 small meals a day.Also I would do a weight lifting circut and cardio every morning.my weight training varied form light,medium,heavy throught my workouts,but withsame intensity.My cardio is terrible compared pre op,but stuck it out.Breakfast was my biggest meal and would experience diarreah,but could was more controllable through out the day.I currently gained 20 lbs in the last 2 weeks due to bigger and less meals,also no time to work out due to increased hours (72hrs a week)at my job.I did gain little weight in my too but its not worth the way I feel or look at my self.I am going to get back on the wagon and try liver cleanse,and post a new forum in about a month to share my results.Thanks for all the input.


Reply author: laura81
Replied on: Mar 08 2007 22:56:27
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I had my gallbladder removed three years ago. I also gained like 60-80 pounds in a very short period of time. I never even thought of a connection between the two. I went to doctors to see if something was wrong with my thyroid, or any kind of explaination about what was going on. My psychiatrist mentioned that there may be a connection so i did my own research. I failed to find documentation in medical journals. Then my friend had her gallbladder removed and mentioned weight gain. Then I found this website. Knowing that i wasn't just a fat slob has helped me to lose over half of the weight i gained. I could eat whatever I wanted before the surgery. I really have to be careful now, not only because of my weight, but because if I eat fatty food I am in such pain until voiding my bowels its just not worth it.

If I do not excercise and watch what I eat I gain weight very quickly. It comes on faster than is normal. It feels really good to lose most of this weight, but not only do I have to be very careful for the rest of my life (some 60-70 years) things like burgers, fries, and even beer make me become very good friends with the toilet.


Reply author: msufan4ever
Replied on: Mar 11 2007 01:36:10
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Hello,
I had my gallbladder take out about 1996 and I ahd consistant weight at 185. I wasn't eating much so I wasn't working it off or putting it on. The all of a sudden I went to 200+ that is where I am at now. My husband tells me to eat 5 small meals not to eat after 8:45 and I can't seem to eat 5 small meals i am used to eating once a day does any one have any sugggestions on what to eat that is good for us. Also I would like to loose 30 or more pounds and I was told need more protein have anyone else heard that? Well mayne some one can contact me with there thoughts and input.
Cynthia


Reply author: pcollins
Replied on: Mar 11 2007 14:50:18
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msufan4ever
You might get more weight-loss support in some of the other discussion areas here in the forum.

I continue to be amazed at the number of people who feel their gall bladder removal is the cause of their current weight problems.
I don't know whether or not those perceptions are accurate.

My own experience is that I was fat before I had my gall bladder removed, and continued to be fat after that surgery.
My recovery took about 6 weeks, and I had no negative side effects.
This was also the experience of my mother, my sister, and my adult daughter.

Both before and after my gall-bladder surgery, when I made the EFFORT that it takes to restrict my calories and exercise, I lost weight. My highest weight was 271 in 1992 and currently I am very healthy, weighing 111 lbs at a height of 5'0".

Phyllis


Reply author: sickly
Replied on: Mar 11 2007 17:45:11
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I am almost in tears because of this forum.

I had my gallbladder removed (stones plus one blocking the duct) in May 2004. At that point, I was 5'4" and 135 lbs. Not fat by any means. Since then, in almost 3 years, I have gained 70 lbs!!! I do not eat any differently, and in fact, I eat a low fat diet and exercise 4 times a week at a gym.

A note to those who think the weight gain is due to us going back and eatin whatever we want:

My gallbladder attack came on rather quickly. Within two weeks of having the attack, my gallbladder was removed. So for only two weeks, I knew that I couldn't eat dairy, fat, etc. It's not like I could only eat toast for six months and went back to eating chicken wings and chocolate sundaes all the time.

I exercise consistently and it takes forever just to lose 1 lb. Then if I have a day where I eat poorly, I gain the weight back almost instantly. I know at this point it's not just water retention. I have been tested for thyroid, diabetes, PCOS, etc. Nothing. I am so sad that I will continue to gain weight and not be able to take it off.


Reply author: sickly
Replied on: Mar 11 2007 17:47:17
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Also I wanted to mention that I go in between being constipated for 3 days and having my stomach empty. I also deal with bad diarrhea, gas, burping, etc. IBS basically. I wish I had known that there would be so many complications from this surgery, but no, they told me the gb was worthless and didn't do anything, and I'd be back to eating whatever I wanted in no time. Yeah right.


Reply author: Tex-Mex
Replied on: Mar 11 2007 18:03:19
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I had my gall bladder removed 11/05, after being in remission from 2 kinds of cancer for ten months. One person recently mentioned being cold at times and side/back aches. That's how I was along w/fevers at night. A cancer MRI showed the bad gallbladder and they put in through the ER and attempted to take out the gall bladder that night. But it was incrusted and when the surgeon tried to get it, it would of torn the liver. My kidney's shut down and they had me in ICU then for about a week. They sent me home another week later, and had me on anti-biotics. December 28 they had me go back in the hospital, a day early to hydrate me for kidney problems--and were able to get the gall bladder out still by laposcopic method (thank goodness).

I am so glad to see so many folks complain about the weight gain! I, too have gained 15 pounds and my stomach has taken on a new shape (now I truly look pg). In regards the the diahrea problems we often go through now....ask your doctor(s) about Colestid tabs. I'm on two of those a day and they are helping allot. First I took them my way, and now that I checked back with my gastrologist...she suggested I take them 2 hours after my other pills in the morning, then take my evening pills after dinner and the other Colestid tab before bed around 10 p.m. What a difference! BTW, I go to CURVES 3x/week. Good luck to you all.


Reply author: sadmama
Replied on: Mar 14 2007 03:22:17
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im happy that i found this forum i was feeling very alone with this problem. I had my daughter in july of 03 two weeks later i had to go to the hospital i was in horrible pain and couldnt stop throwing up after 2 hours of testing they told me i had to be rushed into surgery. while i was pregnant i was eating very healthy and walking every day at a good weight of 130 (110 before i got pregnant)ever since i had the surgery i have been gaining weight i try to do everything i can to eat healthy still and work out but nothing is helping its all stored in my belly. i went back to the dr to get tested for diabetes but all test come back normal i had no idea that my gall bladder could be the reason for my struggle im only 23 now and my weight is at 180 and still trying to get rid of the tire around my waist


Reply author: anitaj
Replied on: Mar 15 2007 03:27:25
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I was so happy to find this forum. I had my gallbladder removed 3 years ago. Like others have commented, the surgeon told me the gb was of little use and I was not warned about any post-surgery complications. The surgery came and went and I was fine for about 2 months. Then I noticed I was bloated and making more and more trips to the toilet, esp. after breakfast and lunch. I was even considering investing in my toilet paper company because they were making a fortune off of me! I gained weight and increased at least a clothes size in my abdomen area even though the clothes were big on me everywhere else.

About a year after my gb surgery, I went to see my GP after I read a doctor's newspaper article on what to do about explosive diarrhea. My doctor agreed with the article, and he prescribed Cholestyramine for Oral Suspension. When I began taking it, I took a whole packet and would bloat even more and be constipated for up to 3 days. I now know to take it at least an hour before I eat in the morning and usually 1/2 packet will get me through the day just fine. Sometimes I have an actual regular BM the next morning. I do not take it every day because it seems to lose its effectiveness if I do. I've also found a low-fat diet helps, too.

Another thing -- if you google "gall bladder diarrhea" or complications or something like that you'll be referred to doctor websites that state that diarrhea only affects every 1 in 100 or 1 in 200 post-gall-bladder-surgical patients. Bunk! Out of the 12 people I know who have had GB surgery, 5 of us are stuck with the same problems -- weight gain, bloating, and diarrhea. I am going to reread the forum comments again and try some of the remedies mentioned (although Cholestyramine works for me most of the time). Thanks.


Reply author: curlytop45
Replied on: Mar 21 2007 20:59:54
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Denise,
I had my gallbladder out two years after I found out that I was tagged as borderline diabetic. When I found out about being diabetic I panicked lost a good 30lbs and was feeling so much better about myself. However I started having back pains and they told me 50/50 it was my gallbladder.. as they thought they could see some stones. Well I had my gallbladder out and after the pain meds were gone my back was still in pain and I started to gain the weight. I also have the problem of very bad water retention which I have lived with for 5 - 6 years. Well because the back pain came back I went back and they decided to to xray my back...found my back was literally twisting to the left...(cause of a car accident I had back in 87). I never realized it was from that til I had the exray and they told me what my back was doing. So your back problems could be something else. Go back to the dr...make sure its not your spine.

Also I am also one who is still fighting to lose all the weight I regained plus another 10 to 20 lbs. I wish the drs could of prepared us to watch for weight gain as I was not eating worse from when I was losing weight. I am still trying to find the secret for my body...

So what ever you do...be kind to yourself and keep foraging on. I did lose like 9 lbs a year ago ths past xmas season..And it was from following the thought of cutting down, trying to eat more normal health meals and pushing the water. It is so hard in a work enviroment. I am going to look into that bile salts...because I actually didn't notice the bloating and gas until these past three months.

Good luck to all. I feel that this is territory that is unchartered and we are all different.



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Originally posted by denise

The post by Bill Davis on page one of this forum is wrong. I actually eat less than prior to surgery. I also still pain in the same place I had pain before the surgery. Does anyone know if this is scar tissue. Does anyone have any feedback on pain after surgery in the same place.


Reply author: curlytop45
Replied on: Mar 27 2007 06:00:39
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I just want others to know that I am trying a 7 day body cleansing system that I got through GNC. I am just eating good meals and taking the pills that help through the process and working on getting walks right now. I just started on Saturday with with.

I really don't know how much it can help but if it can actually get my liver working more efficiently maybe I can start to work the weight off without such a struggle. If this does not help then I plan to go back to my dr in a month and see if he can work and guide me another route.

curlytop


Reply author: sickly
Replied on: Mar 27 2007 09:05:40
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I have been using the digestive enzymes for a few weeks and they seem to help. The gas and bloating seems to be gone. However I also bought some bile salts and I am not sure how to approach taking them. I tried them last night and they taste AWFUL. It came in a powder form that you are supposed to dissolve in water or something. I could only stand about two sips because it tasted so bad. Has anyone tried the bile salts and found a way to take them?


Reply author: Kaz
Replied on: Mar 29 2007 09:16:14
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Finally, I have found people who are going through similar things. I had my gallbladder removed in 2005 and since then have gained weight steadily going from 140 to 168 lbs. It is mainly around the stomach area and I look like I'm pregnant. I had no choice in the matter, my gallbladder was severely swollen and I was in hospital before I knew it having it removed. Before the op I didn't really find it hard to keep weight off. If I felt like I was gaining a bit of weight I'd just cut down and my weight would be restored. Now it just seems to get worse by the week. I go to the gym and exercise, I've tried fat binding supplements, digestive enzymes and nothing seems to work. Short of starving myself I don't know what to do. The doctor told me there would be no side effects and that the gallbladder wasn't really needed! If it wasn't needed then why do we have it? And if it breaks fats down then surely if you don't have one, the fats have to go somewhere else! I've been saying ever since I had it out that I was gaining weight and people thought I was using it as an excuse. I do not have a bad diet and never have, I've always been careful about what I eat. I am also alternating between loose bowel movements and constipation. I had heard that this was because the liver does not know how much bile to release and sometimes releases too much or too little resulting in constipation.
I am so glad I found this site, I will keep reading to see if someone comes up with a solution. I will try the liver cleanse if I can get the same stuff over here in the UK and see how that goes.


Reply author: Tex-Mex
Replied on: Mar 29 2007 18:40:39
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quote:
Originally posted by Kaz

Finally, I have found people who are going through similar things. I had my gallbladder removed in 2005 and since then have gained weight steadily going from 140 to 168 lbs. It is mainly around the stomach area and I look like I'm pregnant. I had no choice in the matter, my gallbladder was severely swollen and I was in hospital before I knew it having it removed. Before the op I didn't really find it hard to keep weight off. If I felt like I was gaining a bit of weight I'd just cut down and my weight would be restored. Now it just seems to get worse by the week. I go to the gym and exercise, I've tried fat binding supplements, digestive enzymes and nothing seems to work. Short of starving myself I don't know what to do. The doctor told me there would be no side effects and that the gallbladder wasn't really needed! If it wasn't needed then why do we have it? And if it breaks fats down then surely if you don't have one, the fats have to go somewhere else! I've been saying ever since I had it out that I was gaining weight and people thought I was using it as an excuse. I do not have a bad diet and never have, I've always been careful about what I eat. I am also alternating between loose bowel movements and constipation. I had heard that this was because the liver does not know how much bile to release and sometimes releases too much or too little resulting in constipation.
I am so glad I found this site, I will keep reading to see if someone comes up with a solution. I will try the liver cleanse if I can get the same stuff over here in the UK and see how that goes.


Reply author: Tex-Mex
Replied on: Mar 29 2007 18:43:56
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I'm beginning to think there is no solution to this, it's life. I posted on page 13 my experiences, but they are like many of the others here--I guess I'm just going to concentrate on a low fat diet and keep on walking. I, too, am glad I found this site (lol, guess it's true, missery loves company). Best to you all....


Reply author: curlytop45
Replied on: Mar 29 2007 20:13:27
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Hi Tex,
Well that I think is the best thing. I did a liver cleanse and started to cut down on what I eat..not portions because I never ate a ton but the types of foods. Like I find I can't even now have a donut. My stomach starts to yell at me...so am trying to new things and pushing thewater... GNC also gave me a vitamin supplement that enhances what the 7 day cleanse does. I weigh myself everyday and am trying to atleast keep moving or taking 10 min walk breaks when I can...and water water and water.
So in the first week here, I am struggling to lose about 4 lbs..and I know for me one bad problem I have is water retention for a female.
Such a struggle but as long as I see even little results thats what I am doing...but I do not deprive myself of one mocha a day or if not a mocha a piece of chocolate. since I can't totally give them up anyway.
Well I hope that helps.

Sickly, I find what I affects me that way is the amount of food I eat at one sitting and any high fat foods or anything that makes you think of grease...like donuts, stay away from the cheese...I am not drinking too much milk as dairy is hard on you. your better to take a vitamin supplement. and drink the 8 - 10 glasses of water or like one tall glass of water with each meal..that is what the liver cleanse tells you to do...

ok I am out of here.


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Originally posted by Tex-Mex

I'm beginning to think there is no solution to this, it's life. I posted on page 13 my experiences, but they are like many of the others here--I guess I'm just going to concentrate on a low fat diet and keep on walking. I, too, am glad I found this site (lol, guess it's true, missery loves company). Best to you all....


Reply author: sickly
Replied on: Apr 04 2007 16:01:57
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Well I want to give you guys an update on what has been working for me. I take digestive enzymes twice a day and it helps digest the food better so that it does not sit in my stomach as long. I have also been working out, steadily, 5x a week. I do a combination of cardio exercise and circuit training.

Based on the foods to eat/foods to avoid list on gallbladderattack.com, I stay away from dairy, red meat, and high fat foods/processed sugar. I also limit my intake of carbs to about 100-125g per day. I do not eat high glycemic index fruits (such as bananas) and eat fruits with lots of fiber. Cut out all pasta from my diet and only eat brown rice. No wheat and limited whole grain as it gives me indigestion. About a liter to a liter and a half of water per day.

My caloric intake is around 1400 per day. I eat about 30-40g of fat per day.

I have lost 5 lbs in 3 weeks, but I haven't been jumping for joy yet because I would like to see if this is a steady decline in weight or if it's just a fluke. I'll report back here in 3 weeks to update on my progress.

I haven't tried the liver cleanse yet but I do plan on doing it in the next few weeks.

I'm still interested in finding edible bile salts that don't make me want to throw up every time I eat them, but I haven't found any yet. has anyone tried the bile salts and had success?

It DOES feel like it is taking a LOT of work to shed this weight, moreso than it used to. If I had been doing this diet/exercise before surgery, I would have easily lost 10 lbs by now.


Reply author: sunshine
Replied on: Apr 11 2007 14:05:38
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Hello.. I noticied thru out alot of the writings, as well as with
myself, most doctors , will tell you ,you do not need
to follow any sort of special diet (past the 7 day post op ) and
I have had food issues for apprx 10 mos. after having my gb
removed. One bite of icecream , or adding 2 Tbsp. of creamer
to my coffee , and I have to r-u-n to the bathroom moments later.
And I have also learned , McDonalds is a h-u-g-e NO NO .. I will
get very sick because of the fat.
Its horrible .I am currently a stay at home Mom , yet when I return
to work , what I am to do??? I have diarrhea sometimes 6 times
per day mostly 8am- 2pm , not evenings .
However, I must say ,I have not gained one ounce since the
surgery (??)in nearly a year. Yet, I feel I will never be the
same again .. and cannot seem to get my system
in order . Any thoughts or ideas from anyone... Thanks for
reading ......


Reply author: kristen114
Replied on: Apr 14 2007 14:26:05
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I just had my gall bladder taken out on April 11th it is now the 14th. I still have not had a BM. I have eaten sweets and a lot of chicken noodle soup and chicken and dumplings. Last night I had some cheesy bread from the local pizza place, the only pain I feel is from the surgery itself. I did not have any pain or symptoms before. I to the DR. for a regular check up that involved blood work and found out my liver enzymes were too high. I went through a round of tests and different things and found out my gall bladder no longer worked. So they took it out. I have been hearing a lot about special diets and what not to eat. None of this has been from my DR. The only thing he told me was no greasy or spicy foods for a week or so. He never said anything to me about weight gain. I hope to be one of the lucky ones and not have a lot of weight gain.


Reply author: Tex-Mex
Replied on: Apr 14 2007 15:02:10
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quote:
Originally posted by Tex-Mex

I had my gall bladder removed 11/05, after being in remission from 2 kinds of cancer for ten months. One person recently mentioned being cold at times and side/back aches. That's how I was along w/fevers at night. A cancer MRI showed the bad gallbladder and they put in through the ER and attempted to take out the gall bladder that night. But it was incrusted and when the surgeon tried to get it, it would of torn the liver. My kidney's shut down and they had me in ICU then for about a week. They sent me home another week later, and had me on anti-biotics. December 28 they had me go back in the hospital, a day early to hydrate me for kidney problems--and were able to get the gall bladder out still by laposcopic method (thank goodness).

I am so glad to see so many folks complain about the weight gain! I, too have gained 15 pounds and my stomach has taken on a new shape (now I truly look pg). In regards the the diahrea problems we often go through now....ask your doctor(s) about Colestid tabs. I'm on two of those a day and they are helping allot. First I took them my way, and now that I checked back with my gastrologist...she suggested I take them 2 hours after my other pills in the morning, then take my evening pills after dinner and the other Colestid tab before bed around 10 p.m. What a difference! BTW, I go to CURVES 3x/week. Good luck to you all.



Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Apr 15 2007 22:26:40
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I can't take this anymore. I've tried everything, the liver cleanse, enzymes, etc... I give up :( I just reached 210 lbs!! My usual weight is around 140 in which I've weighed my entire adult life. Every week the scale keeps climbing and climbing and the doc swears it has nothing to do with the gall bladder. It's the ONLY thing different.

I just wanna smack all you people that say we think we can eat whatever we want since we don't have pain. Just like others, it was a matter of weeks from diagnosis to removal. They scared me half to death so I didn't have enough time to think. I did get a second opinion but they told me the same, the gall bladder is useless bla bla bla, if I don't get it out it could lodge bla bla bla, death etc.

I'm going to see a nutritionist this week. If they can't help me I'm going to jump off a bridge :(


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Apr 17 2007 17:48:51
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this is a bit of comfort knowing that i'm not the only one w/ this problem. i had by gall bladder removed 9 months ago, i've gained 40lbs!!! my mid section is always bloated and looks like it has a mind of its own, i am always constipated , i excercise, i've been on a STRICT diet, NOTHING WORKS! I have even used weight loss pills from Brazil, NOTHING! Every doctor basically says it's all in my head and that a gall bladder has no use. I've been thin my entire life up until now. I tried Cholacol, CLA, and B12 ..it still doesn't work. The strangest thing is, one morning I'll wake up and fit into a pair of jeans, the next day I won't..HELP!! I'm ready to jump off a bridge!!


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Apr 17 2007 17:55:53
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Also, why, when so many women are having the same problem, won't the Doctors look into this instead of making us feel like it's our fault? I know what I eat, and it's barely enough to feed a hamster because I'm afraid of putting anything in my mouth including a carrot. I do not eat sweets , high carbs and fatty foods. Mostly salads, veggies and chicken. Now I am on a 5 snack a day plan because they are saying that my body is storing food because it's in starvation. The 5 a day is making me gain more!! I"M SICK OF THIS!! THERE HAS TO BE SOMEONE< IF YOU ARE OUT THERE< HELP US ALL>>PLEEEEEEEZE!!


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Apr 17 2007 18:21:53
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did some research on the nuzymes:
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/mp.html.

this link claims that it does not work.


Reply author: lilluci44
Replied on: Apr 18 2007 18:30:06
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Hey, I totally thought I was alone in all this. I had my GB removed 4 years ago. Right after, I was doing ok, for a couple months, and all of a sudden, I gained 35 pounds in one month. It's soooooooooooooooo FRUSTRATING!!!!!! I used to love my legs and now I wear pants everywhere because they are all puffy!

I tried doing Weight Watchers for a while and I was exercising 2 hours a day and I would drink only water, my doctor told me that I needed to increase that, because there was nothing else wrong with me.

But if someone needs a little help, I take Bile Acid Factors, Liver Cleanse pills, and Citrucel 3 times a day, and they help me A LOT with digestive problems. Also, I know it's hard, but I've noticed if I eat less breads and grains, my weight seems to drop a little. The hard part is sticking to it. It's very hard!


Reply author: sickly
Replied on: Apr 24 2007 08:58:48
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Hi guys, I feel your pain. I had lost 7 lbs. and over a span of two days, where I ate poorly (pizza and fast food), I gained 2.5 lbs. back 2 POUNDS. I KNOW I did not eat nearly 9,000 calories worth of food. That is probably the most frustrating thing about this. I worked my butt off at the gym, ate right, for almost 2 months and in TWO days I gain back 2 1/2 pounds??? Doesn't this seem totally abnormal to anyone? But no, our doctors think it's all in our head and we're not trying hard enough to lose weight. Yeah right. I was going to the gym 4-5 days a week, counting my calories, drinking lots of water, etc. A normal person would have lost 10-15 pounds by now. I am so frustrated and this is SO discouraging.


Reply author: Bonnie Sokoloski
Replied on: Apr 28 2007 11:54:13
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I understand completely. My GB was removed in September 07, since then I have gained 40 lbs and being married to a personal trainer makes it really tough. I have tried dieting, exercise and now I have actually faced facts and bought new clothes (size 18) I feel like a failure, my doctors all say it has nothing to do with the GB but I know it does. What to do, what to do.


Reply author: redgal
Replied on: May 09 2007 13:10:37
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I find this to be absolutely amazing. I had my GB out 3 years ago and have gained 35 lbs! My doc says that I am at my 'Happy Weight' even though I exercise and practically starved myself to death. Not a lb lost. Now I have pain again on my right side where my GB used to be. A CtScan shows nothing there. I am about to lose my mind as well!!!!


Reply author: aviva
Replied on: May 11 2007 11:28:55
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Hey I'm supposed to have my gal bladder removed as soon as there is an opening in our hospitals.I'm already overweight and have been trying to lose weight I so don't need to gain any more weight:( Not sure what to do. I had 2 really bad attacks within a week of each other and have never felt pain like that before. I have had kidney stones and they didn't even come close to these attacks.......Anyone have any ideas what I should do. Have the operation and gain weight or suffer through the pain?Love my options......Please HELP

aviva kolotinsky


Reply author: echo
Replied on: May 15 2007 20:25:00
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man, this is looking worse and worse everyday...i wish the doctors would recognize this ongoing problem..P.S. gained 5 more lbs after 2 weeks of a STRICT diet..scary


Reply author: kitkat
Replied on: May 16 2007 20:51:55
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here is some info that i have aquired over the 10 years post gall bladder surgery.. first things first , anybody who says u dont need your gall bladder is a fool! but im not going to get into that. i do have some helpful info for the stomach pains we all suffer from. your fist meal of the day should not be a heavy one. when u eat your 1st meal of the day our bodys are not prepared to start to breaking down food the way it used to. the bile is not being stored like it was , bile is traveling thru our intestines all the time , some of our food gets broken down in our intestines, thus the ripping stomach cramps! for me if i eat a bagel first thing in the morning the pain i have is unbearable. but if i eat a low fat light meal im fine . after 10 years without a gall bladder i can pretty much tell what food is going to give me the pains. as for the weight gain im at a loss, i do know that having your gb removed slows your metabolizim to a crawl.like i said anybody who says you dont need your gb is a fool.


Reply author: ginger97
Replied on: May 18 2007 20:12:26
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OMG!
I had severe vomiting 3 weeks ago- ended up in the E/R. Then had an ultra sound and an endoscopy which showed my stomach was fine, but it showed "microscopic cholestoral(sp?) chrystals" from my gall bladder. I have had an ache in the area of my gall bladder and I am very bloated feeling.
I am supposed to have surgery on JUNE 5th. Now I dont want to after reading these posts. Also I need 2 knee replacements, but my surgeon told me yesterday that I need to lose weight before he will do it.

So what else happens after they remove the gall bladder? The one post said she looks pregnant. I do now and I thought it was because of my gall bladder?? I am confused now....


Reply author: leelaNOGB
Replied on: May 19 2007 17:01:43
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Text
Hello
My name is Leela. I just had me GB removed on the 11th day of May, 2007. I am a young frmale that thought this only happen to old unfit me,LOL! I now have found out THAT ISNT TRUE! People with poor diets can get GALL STONES, but so can healthy people. There are FOUR different types you can have. Some you can live with forever and probably never have a problem ( unless they stick in your duct), and others that can bother you ( or pass). I was told unlike a kidney stone you dont want any passing going on! Mostly common with smaller stones. I havent had any weight gain... As a matter of fat I have lost 10lbs. I had severe pain in my upper stmach and went to the hospital. I didnt like what thay said (SUGERY) so I went home( even though they admitted me...I signed myself out, that night. Tghe next night I was still in so much pain I returned to the hospital, BUT A DIFERENT ONE. They ran a cat scan and a ultra sound. The scan showed my stones and the ultra sound.. showed them sticking in my duct and passing. was in the hospital on the 10th, had sugery on the 11th went home on the 14th , and then returned on the 17th. I had some complications after my sugery,but now tired, hurting,wanting to get up and fix the world, but ok. I had a great surgen, that was wonderful. He made my experience easier for me. My advise to everyone that is considering surgery ( unless its an emergency).. get two doctors to see you before making a choice. Sometimes you can avoid surgery. My second surgern ( DIFFERENT HOSPITAL) said hes happy I waited and it didnt have to be him, but I didnt rush into something because someone said, "lets do it"! It wouldhave probably been easier on mr to do it instead of wait, but it didnt kill me. I was told to eat healthy, but dont neglect to eat things I like ( EVEN IF THEIR NOT HEALTHY). He aslo said weight gain is commomn only for people who already had poor eating habbits. You GB is a filter and when we dont filter the fat is absorbed more bu our body. He also said more bowel movement that were unconrolled would go away, unless my eating habits we bad on a regular basis. My question is ( WHATS WRONG WITH FRESH FRUIT,FRESH VEGGIES, TURKEY,CHICKEN...wht do we decide to eat fast food, junk food? The answer is we dont have too.. you dont have too! Every once in awhile is better than always. if you look in the mirror and see a lot of extra fat... maybe your GB was talking to you. Im not trying to sound like a doctor or some know it al, butthis is the only body we have, the only life we live. Why not be fit, healthy and happy. I would love to talk to people who dont see it my way or maybe that do. I know for myself I had much rather so to subway instead of Mc Donalds... if I have to eat out. Im hurting a the moment and as I said above, wanting to get up and fix everything. I know I cant, bt that isnt going to stop me from trying. I wish all of you the best and I hope all things work out for you. Also I just had my sugery... so I will be back. If for some strange reason ( that I dont think could happen) I start gaing weight and I am eating healthy. I will have many things to say!!!
But caloricly THAT JUST DOESNT AD UP! Count your calories, count the fat... eat healthy and smile. My love goes to you all both GB removals and people who have the choice and have not decided.

xoxoxoxo take care, everyone.


Leela


Reply author: leelaNOGB
Replied on: May 19 2007 17:22:31
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I had my GB out on the 11th. I was in the hopital on the 10th- today , the 19th of May 2007. I have lost 10lbs and am doing ok. I dont intent to eat unhealthy, but then again that was never my goal prior to this statment. I was told you can have 4 diffent kinds of gall stones. Some we can live with and others well, you just cant. I dont believe you gain weight by eating healthy both with your GB or without! The caloric math just doesnt add up! Eat healthy, FRESH FRUIT, VEGGIES, CHICKEN, TURKEY, TUNA... NOT MC DONALDS!!! For those of you that agree,Im sure its easy and for others.... well maybe its time you see the light. I agree with my Doctor ( healthy people ca have GB stones, but mostly unhealthy eaters. I was told a 5 year old had his GB out, and Im more than sure he didnt do his in, in a few years,LOL! I wish everyone out hear that reads this, the BEST of luck. Dont be afraiad to get a second doctors opinion. Unless you have an emergency ( WAIT)! listen to waht oterh people say, but believe what you want! I had a GREAT surgen, not to mention cute,LOL! I was a little afraid he looked as young as I did, but now very pleased, and very happy! I guess If I start gaining weight after eating healthy... I'll be out here B*(&%$%@ too, but I just dont see it happening! If your over weight already then do the math! You may lose a few from the sugery, but look forward to gaining it back if you eat like a P.I.G.! Whats wrong with Mc Donlads once every couple of weeks instead of all the damn time?! This is the only body you have and the only life you have! Either do the right thing, or pay for it later... it all comes out in the end.


Leela


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: May 19 2007 18:25:58
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Leela people like you annoy the heck out of me, making assumptions that our (persons who had their gb removed) problems are bad eaters. I have eaten fresh fruits on a Wednesday and would be fine, then I would eat the same fruits, the same amount on a Friday, as soon as I had eaten the fruits my stomache would hurt me so bad, it would feel as if a giant was twisting my intestines, where upon I have to quickly go to the bathroom to get relief. As a matter of fact I had a half of crossiant this morning with a cup of tea, five minutes later the giant hand was at work on my intestines. I have for the past two months up my exercise to 45 mins in the morning and 45 mins at night, change my eating to mainly lean meats cooked only with tomatoes,onions, bell pepper and cabbage. I have yet to see any results. However, I will stick with this for awhile to see if this work. I will keep trying diffrent methods in the hopes I will find a soultion. My experience has been that you would loose the weight initially when you start a programme, but you reach a plateau faster than before and the scale refuse to move. It is so discouraging. Leela I would happy to find out yours thoughts several months after you have your gb removed.


Reply author: leelaNOGB
Replied on: May 21 2007 16:03:43
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Well I will be back out in a few months to update ( weight gain ) or not... So far not. Im sorry that I annoy you, but I know what I was told and thus far is the truth! Pain is common when you eat some foods. My Doctors says drop those for a few weeks then try them again. I hope you ( Hoyte54) are doing ok. I wish you the best and wasnt trying to knock anyone, but at the same time do have opinions....just like everyone else.

Best of luck,
Leela

Leela


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: May 22 2007 03:12:07
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You are so right hoya...leela, maybe you should stfu about something you know absolutely nothing about! God forgive me but I hope you have this same problem and then realize what hell it is.

For the record I have not touched McD's or BK or any fast food in YEARS. I wont touch the stuff.

This past month for example, I have kept a solid food diary, have reported in with a nutritionist and we went over everything together. I am doing EVERYTHING RIGHT!!!! I exercise an hour a day 5 days a week and low cal, low fat, high fiber, high protein and I HAVE NOT LOST ONE SINGLE OUNCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So when this happens to you then I'd like to see you come here with you cheery-o, hmm guys maybe you should lay off the fries and burgers attitude. hmph


Reply author: leelaNOGB
Replied on: May 22 2007 16:10:54
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Sorry your so mad at the world ( marieya), but have I have no wweight gain. I have lost a total of 11 pounds since the 11th of May. By the way everything that says low-fat isnt good for you! I have healthy meals since my sugery and no activity thus far, because of pain. Just so you know there are other topics out here explaining how this board... and others arent correct. As a matter of fact I talked to my surgen just yesterday because of this board, and he said, " every body has too blame something". I say who knows. If you have something to say to me ( SPEAK FOR YOURSELF) jump off the band wagon and maybe you will have positive results! Ever hear the says if you think NEGITIVE.. NEGITIVE things will happen!? Most of these people had a weight issue prior to the GB removal.Not all, but most.... ring a bell?!


Leela


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: May 22 2007 19:19:25
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I would like to start by saying only he who lives it knows it. We can only each relate our very own experiences. I too initially lost weight after my surgery. I started to walk as a means of exercise within days of the surgery as my doctors suggested. I have always watched what I ate and did some form of exercise even if it was only walking. I rarely ate fast foods or snacks and as I have stated before I often under-ate. I have still gained. Please carefully go over the other messages of the other post GB surgery persons. You will note some of them did not have a weight issues until after the surgery. Further, has it occured to the doctor, that persons who had weight issue before the surgery, did so because their GB was malfunctioning and not assisting properly in the digesting process, thus, contributing to the pre-GB surgery weight gain condition. Leela I really am not trying to be rude, but I would love to continue to hear from you. Most especially six months down the road.


Reply author: leelaNOGB
Replied on: May 22 2007 23:47:17
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Im not taking your comments as rude ( hoyte54). You maybe are right, all I am saying is thus far I am fine. I was advised that the weight from the lose at the time of surgery can return, but anything else is up to me. I know people can have other issues. I never said that wasnt (maybe) the reason for the weight gain. I have always been a healty person and will do what ever it takes to remain the same. I appreciate all the comments people leave about their outcome. The personal attacks... well thats another story and probably more of an issue for them than myself. I wish you the best and hope things turn around for you. I will update in a few months.


Leela


Reply author: Susan Gaudette
Replied on: May 23 2007 09:01:48
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I had my gb out on March 16th and I am experience weight gain also. Just 4 pounds right now but I certainly don't want this to continue. I also have burning pain near my belly area. Does anyone else experience this?


Reply author: echo
Replied on: May 24 2007 17:02:50
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first of all, Leela, you are assuming that all these women eat at BK and Mc D's and sit around eating crap..well i have news for you, i weighed 130lbs before my surgery, i was THIN size 3/4 @ 130lbs because i have worked out my entire life. I eat tons of veggies, fruits, plain no fat yogurt and chicken, turkey, fish and all whole grains..this is the same diet CUT IN HALF from what i ate prior to the surgery (which was 10 mths ago, i am now 175lbs and a size 7/8) i am MAYBE getting 800 calories a day..i went on a 1200 cal program and gained even more weight because the doctor thought that my body was going into starvation mode. prior to the surgery i ate a max of 1400 calories consisting of chicken, turkey, fish, all broiled , veggies, fruit...I work out everyday and have NEVER had a problem w/ my weight. Just recently my Doctor wrote a script for blood work because of the ABNORMAL weight gain..i am now getting my cortisol levels checked..my thyroid and cholesterol are perfect..
I NEVER had problems until after my gall bladder was removed, and i feel that these doctors are very obtuse in denying the use of a gall bladder and weight gain. My Doctor, thanx to this forum< is now looking into this problem. NOT ALL PEOPLE gain weight after the surgery, but it seems that there are more that do. So no matter how cute your Doctor is, Leela, he won't look that cute after you start gaining weight out of the blue and he tells you that it's because of your eating habits when you know you eat right.
For those of you that need confirmation on this matter, there is a Dr. in CA> that deals w/ these problems..You can speak to the receptionist and she will tell you what can help. I took cholacol for a month it helped w/ my digestion, but not weight loss, however it may work for ya'll ..i do not like taking pills so i quit but may end up trying it again. here is the info:
MyVits.com
Dr. Neal Springer, D.C.
Hollywood, California

Toll Free: 866 551 VITS (8487)
Facsimile: 866 771 VITS (8487)
website: (lots of info)
http://myvits.com/html/contactus.asp



Reply author: echo
Replied on: May 24 2007 17:16:52
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Susan, I had the same sensation, mine was almost like a burning hunger pain because my stomach was making noises..i believe this is called "dumping"..it's when the excess bile gets secreted into the intestines by the liver because the gall bladder is no longer there. I've also had SEVERE pains 10 mths later in the area of where the gall bladder used to be.


Reply author: leelaNOGB
Replied on: May 24 2007 17:20:21
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Hello Susan and first off no. I never attacked females nor males. I'm saying what I was told and what so far is the truth!!!! I dont have weight gain and maybe it will come later , who knows. Maybe it never will! I was trying to pass on what my surgeon said to me!!! Weight gain isnt common after GB removal unless maybe there is another issue! I am healthy and always have been until this happen. I have lost a total of 13 pounds give or take a couple in the past couple of weeks. I was told most over weight have more of a issue than thin people after surgery. Heavy people lose and gain back their weight after surgery and if dont eat as advised gain more. I was also told thinner people can gain, as well.. if they dont watch their fat intake. Most of us dont understand that low fat or fat free isnt always healthy. Im not trying to lose weight and have lost at his point in time. Im not saying that everyone that has a GB problem is a pig! If that was the case I would be calling myself one too! I'm just saying what I was told and nothing more. I have had no problems and wish everyone else the same. Call my doctor and ask if what I'm not saying is the truth... his words. (206)-386-6700 Dr. Martinez
.. and thanks for the information Susan, I appreciate you advise.
..Are people attacking me because they are having problems or is it because of what they dont want to hear... by the way that isnt a question... move on!


Leela


Reply author: leelaNOGB
Replied on: May 24 2007 17:23:34
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...oops that was meant for Echo... not Susan, but if it helps. Wishing you the BEST Echo and everyone else out here.

Leela


Reply author: echo
Replied on: May 24 2007 19:06:32
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first of all, Leela, nobody is attacking you. It seems that you are questioning everyone's integrity and honesty because a doctor told you it wasn't true about the weight gain. If you have read ALL of these threads you will see that there are many women, including myself, that are searching for answers. We know how we were before and know what we are dealing with now. If you do more research you will find that weight gain is attributed to gall bladder removal, some doctors agree and some don't. They also agree that the gall bladder is useless, that's not true, it breaks down fat, the appendix is "useless", starting to question that as well. I don't believe everything the doctors say, i was told i had 3 months to live 9 years ago, i'm still here and healthier than ever aside the weight gain. So if you look closely at your words you will see that you are more for what your cute doctor is saying and basically calling some of us "untruthful" and that we have to be eating wrong. I'm living proof that I do not eat wrong and that i work out excessively, i know you can't "see" that, however, for me to lie would only be cheating myself and i would have no reason to spend time researching ways to rectify this problem. I'm glad that you have lost weight, that's a good thing, but this forum needs someone to research the problem and support these women that are suffering from depression, anxiety, and weight gain due to this surgery. Everyone is different, and I doubt very seriously that this forum is being used falsely by any of these women..we are looking for answers, not being told something that doctors keep telling us..


Reply author: echo
Replied on: May 24 2007 19:56:23
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here is an email from one of the doctors at myvits.com..i hope this helps some of you and i am working w/ dr. springer in getting the beta plus and whatever else i need to control this problem..i'll let you know how it works!!

From Dr Mercola

We have a great book on myvits with a chapter on the gallbladder

Please feel free to comment

Best of Health

Dr S

www.myvits.com




How Your Gall Bladder Works

The gall bladder is a hollow inactive organ supplying bile to the digestive tract that is mainly used to emulsify fats and oils. According to some natural health experts, the gall bladder can be damaged by

Excessive amounts of fat and oil;

Large amounts of spice;

Very cold liquids;

Cold dairy products

Drafts

Planning and thinking ahead all the time

Stress.
These same writers say the gall bladder can be protected by:

Pickles

Good quality vinegar.
According to these writers, gall bladder problems are often found in people who are

Constantly planning

Hypersensitive to drafts

Hypersensitive to noises

Hypersensitive to strong smells.
When the liver is constantly stagnant, sediment often settles out of the bile and forms accumulations that resemble stones, sand or mud in the gall bladder.
Symptoms of sediment in the gall bladder:

Indigestion

Flatulence

Periodic pain below the right side of the rib cage

Tension in the back of the shoulder near the neck

Bitter taste in the mouth

Chest pain.
Gradual Gall Bladder Cleanse

This cleanse takes 21 days and is slower and gentler on the body. This is the one often recommended for those unsure of how much sediment or stones they may have. Cleansing two or three times a year ensures a healthy gall bladder.

During the cleanse, avoid all foods high in fat, meats, dairy, eggs. Eat unrefined grains, vegetables, fruits and legumes to help clear the gallbladder.

These foods hasten gallstone removal:

Pears

Parsnips

Seaweed

Lemons

Limes

Turmeric
Radish also remove stones, so, for the entire 21 days eat 1-2 radishes a day between meals and drink three cups of cleavers tea or five cups of chamomile tea a day.

For every 160 pounds of body weight use five teaspoons of cold-pressed flax seed oil. Pour the flax oil over your food during one meal of the day or divide into half and use on two meals. Take the flax oil six days a week for two months.



Comment:

I addressed this issue in a previous posting several years ago, but thought it was worth reposting as so many people have unnecessary surgery to have their gallbladder removed. In my experience, more than half the time the gallbladder is taken out, the patient's pain that prompted the surgery still remains.

This is because the surgeon never fixed the problem. They only treated the symptom. This makes about as much sense as putting a piece of tape over the idiot light that would come on in your dashboard if your engine oil pressure is low. This would clearly solve the problem, the light would not bother you anymore, but you would be looking at expensive engine repairs if you failed to treat the cause of the light being on.

If you have abdominal pain that is immediately below your last rib on your right side and lined up with your right nipple, especially if your press down in that spot, there is a good chance that you have a gallbladder problem.

The first step is to immediately follow the eating plan. Regular exercise has been consistently associated with a decrease in gallbladder problems.

If the pain persists the article above provides a far simpler less expensive option prior to surgery.

I believe it is nearly criminal what traditional medicine is doing to the public when it comes to managing this problem. It is RARELY ever necessary to remove someone's gallbladder. If one ignores warning symptoms and does not address the reasons why their gallbladder is not functioning properly, than the disease can progress to the point where the pancreas is inflamed or the gallbladder is seriously infected and may have to be removed to save a person's life.

However, it is important to have a proper perspective here. Nearly ONE MILLION gallbladders are removed every year in this country and it is my estimate that only several thousand need to come out.

So, not only are surgeons removing these organs unnecessarily, but also in their nutritional ignorance they are telling patients that their gallbladders do not serve any purpose and they can live perfectly well without them.

This is a lie.

The gallbladder serves an important digestive function. It is required to emulsify fats. What is emulsification? One can easily understand this concept when washing greasy dishes. It is nearly impossible to properly clean greasy dishes without soap as the soap emulsifies the fat so it can be removed.

Similarly, the gallbladder stores bile and bile acids, which emulsify the fat one eats so it can be properly transported through the intestine into the blood stream.

Anyone who has had their gallbladder removed will need to take some form of bile salts with every meal for the rest of their life (I use and recommend Beta Plus from Biotics Research), if they wish to prevent a good percentage of the good fats they eat from being flushed down the toilet.

If one does not have enough fats in the diet, their entire physiology will be disrupted, especially the ability to make hormones and prostaglandins.

Related Articles:

Gallbladder Surgery Alternative

Regular Exercise May Prevent Gallstone Surgery

Vitamin C and Alcohol Fight Gallstones

Gallstone Treatment

----- Original Message -----


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: May 24 2007 20:48:22
Message:

Echo is so right Leela. You are not being attack personally. It is the fact that you choose to believe your cute doctor over the words of the persons in this forum, who are living with these issues. In essence you are calling us liars. What have we to gain from lying. Telling the truth and sharing would actually get us help if the right person comes across this forum. So can you see why persons are so defensive? A few questions for you. Your doctor, what is his speaciality? How many post GB removal patients has he treated? Has he followed their progress? If he hasn't he should do the research. We would be more than happy to hear what he has to say, and if he were to arrive at the same conclusion after his research.Just because he is a doctor does not make him an expert in all medical matters. He should walk a mile in our shoes.Relax, Leela I am not attacking your doctor, I am just making a point. As you have previous stated we all have our own opinions.

Susan, thanks for your explanation about the loud noises my stomach sometimes make.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: May 24 2007 21:20:41
Message:

hoyte, check out the website i posted...you can actually email these doctors and they will help you. FINALLY, a doctor that can explain and realize that this organ is functional...


Reply author: echo
Replied on: May 25 2007 07:42:42
Message:

hi all...just got a message from dr. springer and he referred me to a doctor in my area that deals w/ this specific problem. i would suggest ya'll doing the same , his email is on the website myvits.com
maybe we can all get some intelligent answers from a doctor that has dealt w/ this problem instead of ones that keep blowing us off because they are too busy "believing" the gall bladder is worthless. I truly think the doctors do not understand the difference between "can live without" and "functional". Can we LIVE w/o a gall bladder? YES, that does not say that the gall bladder is not functional and useless...the gall bladder breaks down fatty foods and oils in our body..now our liver is working double time to produce the bile to break down fats.. geez, i'll be on every herb known to mankind because of this...i really wish i had done more research before my surgery, it just happened so fast. Otherwise I would have tried the flush.


Reply author: Susan Gaudette
Replied on: May 25 2007 08:36:41
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by echo

Susan, I had the same sensation, mine was almost like a burning hunger pain because my stomach was making noises..i believe this is called "dumping"..it's when the excess bile gets secreted into the intestines by the liver because the gall bladder is no longer there. I've also had SEVERE pains 10 mths later in the area of where the gall bladder used to be.



Thank you for your response. I went to the doctor yesterday and she has me on prilosec so I am hoping this helps. She is also sending me to a gastro doctor. Did you find that the area around your waist was hot and inflammed. I know that sounds rediculous, but that is what I am feeling.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: May 25 2007 10:14:33
Message:

Susan...YES!!! Oh my gosh, people thought I was weird, my whole midsection felt feverish and seemed to sweat a lot more than the rest of me..I thought I was getting an infection because it was so hot..this has finally gone away, but I notice that my body changes it's size everyday!! One minute my jeans fit, 2 hrs later they don't. I'm getting a lot of swelling near my kidneys.


Reply author: leelaNOGB
Replied on: May 25 2007 20:24:17
Message:

.... ok! I wasnt going to return until I spoke with my doctor. He says ( and these are his words) He has taken out hundreds of GBs and only a handful of people had weight issues. He also said he believe there is another issue and that you doctor neds to help you if you are having a problem. He told me to relax and not worry unless there is an actual problem. I want to apologize for sounding like I know it all, but I did and do believe him. I just hope I'm not going to have a weight gain problem. I do how ever have an infection that has to be addressed asap! My naval is leaking and have a fever. Guess I should have mentioned that when I was asking weight gain questions. I also have a sudden burn then have to sit down or it gets worse, but was also told my surgery is new and it should go away with time. Yes! My doctor is one of the most sexiest guys I have ever seen and thats a plus when you are going through hell!!! But not the reason I listen to him! I listen because I need to learn what I dont know... just as I do out here! If I say something horrible , so be it! None of you out here are the same... all different! I dont want any of you to go through anything horrible and if I can pass on something that is working for me, why not try it? Why knock it first and if you have tried it...and it didnt work, maybe it can for someone else! I appreciate all the info. echo and hoyte54. Will return after my hospital visit over the weekend. Hopefully the infection isnt to bad.



Leela


Reply author: leelaNOGB
Replied on: May 25 2007 20:28:41
Message:

By the way Hoyte54... I wanted to say thank you. Since your first reply to my first post, I have found what you have said very helpful. So thanks : )



Leela


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: May 25 2007 20:48:30
Message:

Leela I wish you well. I hope you do feel a lot better. I do hope you do not gain weight.

Ladies, I feel so depress about my weight. I am sick and tired of people looking at me with the expression, that says I overeat and I am lazy. I want to tug on their arm and tell them that their assunptions are wrong. I want to say, I do watch what I eat I also exercise seven days a week. If I had the finances I would have gastric bypass.
This is madness.I thought I was losing my mind when each day my clothes seem to fit diffrently. Thanks for sharing that information now I know I am not losing my mind. I have been taking the diet pill Xenical, it is to help with breaking down fats and help the body to eliminate it. I know it was stupid to spend on something I did not really need beacuse my diet is low in fat any way. But I was desperate and sick of being fat. Well that has been a failure too. I lost five pound initially and not a pound has come of since. I am discourage but I will continue to exercise and diet.

Thanks again for the information and suggestions ladies, I will check out the website.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: May 25 2007 23:25:46
Message:

Hoyte, i feel the same way..when i go to buy new LARGER clothes, i feel the need to explain that this is a medical problem, not a bon bon sit on my butt problem. knowing that we're not alone helps all of us because we can research together and help each other out. i keep telling myself it's temporary..i am going on the Beta Plus supplements and phentermine, i know, i know, i should skip the phentermine, but i need a fast resolution before i go back to work. i will let you know how things go..keep your chin up!! and leela, i hope everything is well w/ you..make sure you rest and take care of yourself.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: May 26 2007 00:53:12
Message:

here's another website w/ info...
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmd_blog/?p=71#null


Reply author: babykate58
Replied on: May 27 2007 04:48:49
Message:

I too have gained weight due to a cholecystectomy. I had my gallbladder out when I was 18. It took forever to find a doctor willing to operate because I was so young and I didnt fit any of the criteria even though there were stones on the scans. My doctor operated immediately a day after seeing me. I was so sick and living off of pain killers. At the time I weighed 100-105 pounds. After having my gallbladder removed then two surgeries after that in the same year to clear my bile duct because of damage caused by the stones I gained 50 pounds. The weight I gained came in less than a year and a majority of it went to my stomach. I have read at tons and tons of different forums about people with this same problem but I am still at loss of what to do for myself. Any advice is welcome.


Reply author: laurasuzette
Replied on: May 27 2007 14:16:30
Message:

I was looking to see if anyone has lost weight after getting their gall bladder removed...I got mine removed last year and have been losing weight ever since... I always have struggled with my weight, but ever since I have had my gall bladder out...I have lost weight. Before Surgery I was 5'2 163 and now I weigh 140. I have been walking every other day for 30 min and watching my calories...but I did that before as well. Has this been the case with anyone else?


Reply author: wyldroze
Replied on: May 27 2007 17:31:41
Message:

i have been gaining weight since my gall bladder surgery in novemeber of 06.
i had a recent dr appointment and mentioned to them about my weight gain. i had to get on 3 different scales to make sure my weight was correct, but now i weigh 180. i have always been between 140 and 155. i never went over 180 even with my 2 pregnancys. i had weighed 145 in august of 06, so now its june of 07...you do the math. thats some drastic weight gain there!!
they took some blood tests and said that my thyroid level was slightly eleveated so i am on medicine for that now.
but even with proper a proper diet and excersize i am still gaining weight.
so my question is...is there anything out there for those who have gained weight because we have had our gall bladders removed? can something be prescribed to help with the digestion of fatty content in foods?




Briana


Reply author: Kate Purcell
Replied on: May 28 2007 00:08:27
Message:

Dear Montrose,
I had my Gallbladder out about 2 1/2 years ago, It was the biggest mistake i have ever made. Doctors who say you do not need your gallbladder should have theirs ripped out and tell us how they digest their food. I have had nothing but problems, I am a healthy eater and I still have pain almost everytime I eat. Like you my Doc told me nothing, just said avoid the french fries!! Since then I have read a few books and have done exstensive research on the internet. There are many things I have learned. If you would like to email me you and anyone else who is having problems is more than welcome to, my email is kpurcell85@gmail.com. Just quickly I will give a few tips. Stick with lower fat things, but still be sure to include some healthy fats, avocado is a good source. Stay away from processed food, especialy fast food, absolutly no hydrogonized fat (trans fat). Also try to eat small meals through out the day, the bile will be constantly dripping into your large intenstines and will be able to break down small amounts of food easier, plus it is not good for the bile to be in your intenstines without food for long periods of time. New research is finding that it causes increased chance of colon cancer and intestinal cancer. Also coffee can irritate you and cause diarriah, I have found that natural digestive enzymes such as chewable papaya enzymes, or you can get persciption enzymes from your doctor. I have one called Creon but there are better enzymes out there. thats enough for now, anyone who is interested in learning more can email me.


Reply author: dawntimmons
Replied on: May 29 2007 08:52:17
Message:

I have gained 15 pounds since my suregery. I have not had a normal bowl movement since. I have not changed anything about my diet. I know several other people who have experienced the same side affects. I wish I would have been told before the suregery about life after the suregery.

quote:
Originally posted by raci

Hi. I wish I had an answer. I had my gall bladder removed 2 1/2 months ago and have easily gained 10 pounds. I held the same weight for about a year before my surgery. My diet is no worse than it ever was before, but the scale keeps going up with each day. I have had no luck finding any information about this on line, so I plan to ask my doctor about it. Good luck


Reply author: dawntimmons
Replied on: May 29 2007 08:55:05
Message:

I had my gall bladder removed about a year ago. I am 33 and have not changed anything about my diet. I have irregular bowl movements and have gained 15 pounds.


Reply author: Susan Gaudette
Replied on: May 29 2007 08:59:34
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by echo

Susan...YES!!! Oh my gosh, people thought I was weird, my whole midsection felt feverish and seemed to sweat a lot more than the rest of me..I thought I was getting an infection because it was so hot..this has finally gone away, but I notice that my body changes it's size everyday!! One minute my jeans fit, 2 hrs later they don't. I'm getting a lot of swelling near my kidneys.


Reply author: Susan Gaudette
Replied on: May 29 2007 09:02:17
Message:

Echo - thank you again. At least I do not feel alone or that I am losing my mind. When you commented about the jeans I couldn't believe it. I put mine on in the morning and by 2:00PM, I have to unzip them. Have you found out why this happens? I am going to see a specialist in the next couple of weeks. I live in the Boston area so I am hoping to see a good doctor and pray to god he can help me. I have had a bad morning so far and it is only 9AM. Had explosive bm after having coffee - guess I can't have that anymore either. My choices are so limited as I also have type 2 diabetes....ugh! I am so glad I have found this forum.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: May 29 2007 13:43:23
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Susan Gaudette

Echo - thank you again. At least I do not feel alone or that I am losing my mind. When you commented about the jeans I couldn't believe it. I put mine on in the morning and by 2:00PM, I have to unzip them. Have you found out why this happens? I am going to see a specialist in the next couple of weeks. I live in the Boston area so I am hoping to see a good doctor and pray to god he can help me. I have had a bad morning so far and it is only 9AM. Had explosive bm after having coffee - guess I can't have that anymore either. My choices are so limited as I also have type 2 diabetes....ugh! I am so glad I have found this forum.



Susan, i truly believe the reason for the bloating is gas building up. It's hard to eat dairy and veggies, that's when i get the bloat.
I've been researching the bile salts and everything that I've pulled up and people I've talked to has said it makes a big difference. I"m still waiting on my shipment, I will definitely keep you informed as to how well it works. It's supposed to help in digestion and break down fats. I don't know if you saw one of my threads w/ a website that really helps, it's "myvits.com" and there is a doctor named Neal Springer on the website. The toll free # is 1-866-551-8487..the receptionist will do a profile on you (no cost) and direct you to the right doctor to help you..you can order the bile salts from them and any other vitamin you may need. They are very nice and helpful, I'm just hoping that the Beta Plus (bile salts) work for me..I'm keeping my fingers crossed.. you can email me at egsmack@ij.net if you need any help and info on how they are working ..Take care!!


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: May 29 2007 18:36:15
Message:

" I say who knows. If you have something to say to me ( SPEAK FOR YOURSELF) jump off the band wagon and maybe you will have positive results! Ever hear the says if you think NEGITIVE.. NEGITIVE things will happen!? Most of these people had a weight issue prior to the GB removal.Not all, but most.... ring a bell?!" posted by LeelaNob

Well first off, your OPINIONS are just like your spelling...ignorant. You make quite a broad sweeping assumption in saying MOST of these people had a weight issue prior to GB removal. And NO that doesn't "Ring a bell" Einstein.

You claimed to not be attacking anyone but the reason I responded to you was because you seem so positively sure that all these people are stuffing themselves with fast food. It is frustrating enough to deal with Dr's but to come to a support board and have to deal with the same crap is even more so.

The Dr that did my surgery btw also has an office full of obese patients that he performs gastic bypass surgery on. Quite a moneymaker for him.
I went back to see him with my complaints and he said, "Well I can't give it [gall bladder] back to you now. I told him I was around 1400 cals a day, he said WELL CUT IT IN HALF!! I rebutted his comment with the fact that 700 cals a day would be poor nutrition and lead to malnutrition, etc. I said I was exercising 1 hour a day. He said well increase it to 2 and threw his hands in the air. Gave me the line about how people like to make excuses (much like your dr told you) and that as we get older we get fatter.

Just because they're Dr's doesn't mean they know everything about the body. Unfortunately, these Dr's are lying directly to us and gouging out our body parts for profit or lack of knowledge.

Echo, thank you so much for all your info. I called the # you gave and am going to try one of those products.


Reply author: gymaddict
Replied on: May 29 2007 22:28:30
Message:

i had my gb out 2+ yrs ago.i've searched web sites for specific diets for the removal of gb and everything comes back "normal diet."
for me, i work out 4-5 days a week mostly wt training to get lean muscle mass and some cardio toburn fat. i lost 50 lbs by being extreme with working out and i used some thermogenics and appetite suppressants to do it.i try not to eat high fats because i have the same problem with stuff going right thru me also. every now and again you have to eat something fatty i think your body craves it.
i still need to lose 15 more but i'm not having any luck and i am stuck with wondering if it isn't because of that.
just wanted to give a shout out


Reply author: echo
Replied on: May 30 2007 11:01:18
Message:

Marieya:

You are quite welcome!! I had the same experience w/ my surgeon, in fact, 2 days prior to the surgery, I was in the office w/ the door open and heard the OTHER surgeon in that office get off the phone w/ a patient that was apparently complaining about weight gain after her surgery. He made a nasty comment about how it's not his problem she gained the weight, and that he's a surgeon not a nutritionist..and that she needs to get off her butt and stop feeding her face.He said this to the receptionists after he got off the phone, and I remember having this sinking feeling thinking that she had her gall bladder removed and worried about the same thing happening to me. I asked my surgeon if people gain weight after this surgery and he said no, you actually lose..What A LIE!!!


Reply author: deniseeee
Replied on: May 31 2007 09:33:18
Message:

I have had problems with weight gain since my gallbladder surgery as well. I have discovered that I cannot eat almonds, sunflower seeds, broccoli, cabbage, salads, all raw or undercooked vegetables, prunes, fibrous foods in general. I bloat up and get bad gas that wont move. I also take medicines for depression that cause constipation and indigestion so it is doubly hard for me. I cannot make the scale budge if I am eating the above so called good for you foods that we typically eat for weight loss. If I eat in moderation what I want and foods that are not necessarily healthy or diet type foods I can make the scale move. I think BEANO helps too.


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: May 31 2007 12:40:53
Message:

With so many of us having digestive problems, I thought that I should forward this article. I hope this would help someone. I have been trying this since I read it. I hoping for positive results. The suggestions in the article about food and digestion seems logical.

Subject: Heart Attacks and drinking Warm Water

This is a very good article. Not only about the warm water after your meal, but about heart attacks. The Chinese and Japanese drink hot tea with their meals, not cold water, maybe it is time we adopt their drinking habit while eating.
For those who like to drink cold water, this article is applicable to you. It is nice to have a cup of cold drink after a meal. However, the cold water will solidify the oily stuff that you have just consumed. It will slow down the digestion. Once this "sludge" reacts with the acid, it will break down and be absorbed by the intestine faster than the solid food. It will line the intestine. Very soon, this will turn into fats and lead to cancer. It is best to drink hot soup or warm water after a meal.
A serious note about heart attacks - You should know that not every heart attack symptom is going to be the left arm hurting. Be aware of intense pain in the jaw line.
You may never have the first chest pain during the course of a heart attack. Nausea and intense sweating are also common symptoms. 60% of people who have a heart attack while they are asleep do not wake up. Pain in the jaw can wake you from a sound sleep. Let's be careful and be aware. The more we know, the better chance we could survive.
A cardiologist says if everyone who reads this message sends it to a friend, it could save a life. So, please be a true friend and send this article to all your friends you care about.




Reply author: dee43
Replied on: Jun 03 2007 16:24:10
Message:

I had my GB taken out May of 2006. Before having the surgery I weighed 110, within a year I've have gained about 30 pounds. I cant not understand why so much weight gain after having it removed, because no matter what I eat it passes right thru me even salad. I have tried so hard to lose the extra weight that I've gained since the surgery, with proper diet and excerise, but nothing seems to work. I always keep a bloated feeling like my stomach is going to bust ,even on days when I fast and drink only water. I found this board when looking up the topic. I have read several comments on something called 'Bile Salt' but know one ever mentuions what it actually does or where you can find it . Can someone please tell me more on what bile salt is and where i can get it.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jun 04 2007 10:24:02
Message:

Ladies, I think I have found my light at the end of the tunnel!! Dr. Springer @ myvits.com referred me to a doctor Clearwater, Fl. by the name of Jere Jarrett...I just got off the phone w/ his assistant and now I know I'm not going nuts!! They have several patients from all over that have the same problems w/ the gall bladder weight gain amongst other things and supposedly this doctor has the solution. I am getting tested on the 20th of this month and this guy is supposedly unbelievable. If anyone here would like to contact his office to see if there are any other doctors that practice in your area, his # is 727-447-4647 ,if they do not have the listing , Dr Springer @ myvits.com will direct ya'll to a doctor near you. Just email him on the website. I have my fingers crossed and hope that something finally works..this is the first time feeling like there may be a solution!! I'll let ya'll know!!


Reply author: deniseeee
Replied on: Jun 04 2007 16:40:24
Message:

Hello to all....Beano is helping me atleast to digest vegetables, nuts, seeds, anything raw or most vegetables and fibrous foods. I dont know if it is helping me with the scale yet. I will keep you posted.....


Reply author: cheeta
Replied on: Jun 05 2007 17:47:23
Message:

I never realized this was a side-effect. I had my gb out in 97 and within three months lost from 218 lbs to 145 lbs. Ten years later I now weigh 265 lbs. I have tried everything from low fat diets, diet pills, exercise , starvation- (I can go for 3 days at a time with only water and v8 juice and maintain my weight)highly DO NOT recommend this!!--diet patches, colon flushes ect. Nothing seems to work. I continually gain weight of 3-4 lbs a month. I've considered Lap-Band surgery but with severe hypothyroidism every dr. I talk to is against it. I even offered my best friend $250 to break my jaw so I would have to have it wired shut. I am desperate!!! My life is in hiatus until I get healthier. I can barely walk due to heel spurs and even though I eat healthy and use my exercise bike I feel I'm getting nowhere. Anyone else have any ideas? I was always skinny as a kid, and did not reach 100 lbs until I was 13. Im 5'8" and have quite a bit of muscle due to my job but am struggling.


Reply author: deniseeee
Replied on: Jun 05 2007 18:25:13
Message:

I am happy to report that BEANO works. If you take 2 tabs with the first bite of food, like lunch/supper it helps you digest food and stops the bloat. I can tell it is working. You need it with foods like Subway with vegetables, anything with raw or cooked vegetables, nuts, seeds, salads, beans.....It works...also I have learned that hot beverages rather than Ice cold beverages helps to digest fat and make it go through your system faster.....So try BEANO and hot liquid like hot tea with your food....Denise


Reply author: urkca
Replied on: Jun 06 2007 20:04:08
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by deniseeee

I am happy to report that BEANO works. If you take 2 tabs with the first bite of food, like lunch/supper it helps you digest food and stops the bloat. I can tell it is working. You need it with foods like Subway with vegetables, anything with raw or cooked vegetables, nuts, seeds, salads, beans.....It works...also I have learned that hot beverages rather than Ice cold beverages helps to digest fat and make it go through your system faster.....So try BEANO and hot liquid like hot tea with your food....Denise



So does Beano help with the weight as well or just helps with bloating? I had my surgery a year ago on 8/17 and gained 10 lbs back (right before surgery I lost the same 10 pounds!). I'm also struggling to drop just 10 pounds........ughhhh. Please advise. Thanks.


Reply author: deniseeee
Replied on: Jun 07 2007 09:03:11
Message:

I am not too sure about the effect of BEANO regarding weight loss. I tend to think it is helping. I have managed to lose 13 pounds this year (which I know does not sound like alot in a 6 month period but hey any weight loss is good weight loss.) I will share what I have experienced and each person can apply it to their own situation. I have found that hot tea or coffee with a meal makes the fat move on through the digestive system faster than with an ice cold beverage which can help to make the fat harden in your system. I have found that BEANO is a lifesaver to help you digest foods that probably bothered you before gall bladder surgery and still bother you post gall bladder surgery. I have found that every food that bothered me before surgery still bothers me. I have found that I have to eat enough of all types of foods over the course of the day. If I try to eat very light and cut out certain foods I dont lose weight. I have to eat. It is so weird but you have to eat to lose. Atleast 1600 calories from all the food groups over the course of the day leaving no food groups out and taking BEANO with offensive foods like salad, raw veggies, cooked veggies, whole grains, fiberous foods, fruits, beans, nuts, seeds, etc. I also am on Lamictal which is a seizure drug also used for bipolar disorder and it is weight neutral and might be helping me a little bit to lose weight. It is soooooooooooooooooooooo hard to lose weight as we get older and it is ssoooooooooooooooo hard to lose weight after gall bladder surgery. Also drink 2-3 bottles of water and drink lemon in your tea and or water. Lemon is good for the liver and helps to breakdown fat. All these things I have discovered on my own through trial and error. I also take lasix everyday with my high blood pressure medication. The weirdest thing I have ever seen is my b/p pill Lisinopril has stopped me from craving sweets and I dont want sweets nearly as badly as I used to and when I eat sweets I dont want much. This amazes me. I discovered this awhile back. Keep posting everyone and I will do the same...


Reply author: LisaV33
Replied on: Jun 07 2007 17:13:00
Message:

OK, I'm a 33 yr old woman who had her GB removed last April...right before surgery I was very sick all the time but had actually gained weight..but it was like I was bloated or swollen. After surgey I dropped 15-20 lbs effortlessly...however over the next year I have packed on 35!!! I was a size 6~ and I'm 5'7! I'm wearing the clothes I wore right after having my baby! It's embarrasing and my dr has nothing to say about it. They checked my thyroid and said it was normal! I'm not this fat...what do I do???


Reply author: urkca
Replied on: Jun 07 2007 19:34:42
Message:

Thanks for you willingness to share info and that goes for all on here. I've been doing the teas including green tea. I'll give BEANO a try.



quote:
Originally posted by deniseeee

I am not too sure about the effect of BEANO regarding weight loss. I tend to think it is helping. I have managed to lose 13 pounds this year (which I know does not sound like alot in a 6 month period but hey any weight loss is good weight loss.) I will share what I have experienced and each person can apply it to their own situation. I have found that hot tea or coffee with a meal makes the fat move on through the digestive system faster than with an ice cold beverage which can help to make the fat harden in your system. I have found that BEANO is a lifesaver to help you digest foods that probably bothered you before gall bladder surgery and still bother you post gall bladder surgery. I have found that every food that bothered me before surgery still bothers me. I have found that I have to eat enough of all types of foods over the course of the day. If I try to eat very light and cut out certain foods I dont lose weight. I have to eat. It is so weird but you have to eat to lose. Atleast 1600 calories from all the food groups over the course of the day leaving no food groups out and taking BEANO with offensive foods like salad, raw veggies, cooked veggies, whole grains, fiberous foods, fruits, beans, nuts, seeds, etc. I also am on Lamictal which is a seizure drug also used for bipolar disorder and it is weight neutral and might be helping me a little bit to lose weight. It is soooooooooooooooooooooo hard to lose weight as we get older and it is ssoooooooooooooooo hard to lose weight after gall bladder surgery. Also drink 2-3 bottles of water and drink lemon in your tea and or water. Lemon is good for the liver and helps to breakdown fat. All these things I have discovered on my own through trial and error. I also take lasix everyday with my high blood pressure medication. The weirdest thing I have ever seen is my b/p pill Lisinopril has stopped me from craving sweets and I dont want sweets nearly as badly as I used to and when I eat sweets I dont want much. This amazes me. I discovered this awhile back. Keep posting everyone and I will do the same...


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jun 07 2007 20:44:23
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quote:
Originally posted by dee43

I had my GB taken out May of 2006. Before having the surgery I weighed 110, within a year I've have gained about 30 pounds. I cant not understand why so much weight gain after having it removed, because no matter what I eat it passes right thru me even salad. I have tried so hard to lose the extra weight that I've gained since the surgery, with proper diet and excerise, but nothing seems to work. I always keep a bloated feeling like my stomach is going to bust ,even on days when I fast and drink only water. I found this board when looking up the topic. I have read several comments on something called 'Bile Salt' but know one ever mentuions what it actually does or where you can find it . Can someone please tell me more on what bile salt is and where i can get it.



Bile salts are what helps break down the fats and helps digest your food. It does what the GB originally did. You can get them anywhere they sell supplements, however, I found a website that I have bought them from it's myvits.com..Beta Plus is the best one, and as I said before (in previous threads), the doctors on the website actually email you back. I'm FINALLY noticing a difference...it's slow, but it's helping TREMENDOUSLY..also, Dr. Springer from the website referred me to a doctor in my area that can help w/ this problem. I will be going on Monday, so I'm hoping for results. The bile salts are neccessary, you have to take them w/ each meal, and as I said,I am noticing a difference.
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Reply author: deniseeee
Replied on: Jun 07 2007 21:07:57
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Please explain what bile salts are? Are they safe? Are they natural? Please give me more info on Bile Salts......Thanks


Reply author: wyldroze
Replied on: Jun 07 2007 23:01:00
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i am curious about this bile salt? where can i find more info on it?
is there any side effects...
before i had my gb removed in november of last year i weighed 145 or less now i weigh in at 180!! .i had been to many dr appointments for other health reasons in that time frame and it was only until recently that i brought my weight up and asked my docotrs if there was anything i could do. they said eat right and excersize. ok i have just have one problem with that. i try to eat as healthy as i can but being as though i am allergic to almost everything it makes it hard. i cant have lettuce, berrys (strawberry, blueberry ect...), watermelon, bananas, grapes..almost all fresh fruit really, any nut product. i mainly eat pastas and chicken(grilled), not to fond of meat products but i do eat it. i have cut out drinking sodas. i occasionally have one but maily water and tea. i walk on a regular basis and exercize... so i have done almost everything i can do. i am just at a loss. i told my husband that i wish i never had the surgery but being as though i had to have it....i also told him that i wanted to lose weight and that i wasnt happy with me right now and he said then do something about it. so i came across theis website...so here i am asking for help.
would it be wise to try one of those fad diets ie hydroxycut, relacore ect...anything would be helpful.
thanks in advance

Briana


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jun 07 2007 23:53:39
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Bile salts are steroid compounds conjugated with glycine and taurine, and act to some extent as a detergent, helping to emulsify fats (increasing surface area to help enzyme action), and thus aid in their absorption in the small intestine.

Bile salts combine with phospholipids to break down fat globules in the process of emulsification. Emulsified droplets then are organized into many micelles which increases absorption. Besides its digestive function, bile serves as the route of excretion for the hemoglobin breakdown product (bilirubin) which gives bile its colour. Bile also contains cholesterol, which occasionally accretes into lumps in the gall bladder, forming gallstones.

In species with a gall bladder (man and most domestic animals except horses and rats), further modification of bile occurs in that organ. The gall bladder stores and concentrates bile during the fasting state. Typically, bile is concentrated five-fold in the gall bladder by absorption of water and small electrolytes - virtually all of the the organic molecules are retained.

The human liver produces about a quart (or litre) of bile per day. 95% of secreted bile salts are reabsorbed in the terminal ileum and re-used. Since bile increases the absorption of fats, it is an important part of the absorption of the fat-soluble vitamins: A, D, E, and K.

yes they are safe, and yes they are needed to break down fats,,,,your gall bladder contained bile salts , it's more difficult for your liver when the gall bladder is removed because the gall bladder stored the bile salts to break down fat..this is how it was explained to me.
GO TO -MYVITS.COM-....it explains EVERYTHING
BETA PLUS is the recommended formula for people who have had their gall bladder removed..you can call 1-866-551-8487, the receptionist will answer questions and there is no fee. It's a website for alternative medicine and information. I have listed this several times on the forum. AS I SAID BEFORE, you can email one of the doctors or call and get more info for whatever you need from thyroid disease to a number of ailments. They will also refer you to a doctor that practices weight loss in your area. If you do not want to buy online, several vitamin places carry bile salts. You can also type "bile salts" in your search engine and you can get info that way.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jun 07 2007 23:57:32
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Also..diet pills do not work..I've been on phentermine and had not lost weight, though I am noticing a difference after taking bile salts w/ every meal. I just received the pills about a week ago...so all i can say is get them however you want, and take one w/ every meal..


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Jun 11 2007 13:21:15
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Most of my adult life I have been in a size 8, sometimes 6 depending on the cut. I just got a new job so I went to get new clothes which I have been avoiding. WELL, I am ashamed to say that I am over DOUBLE my size I am in a size 18...I cannot even believe this, its like a nightmare...I am sorely depressed...there is no end in sight...I don't know how much more of this I can take. I am still awaiting the bile salts and don't even feel like exercising or watching my diet anymore, what's the point-I keep gaining any ways. This is really getting depressing, I don't even want to go to my new job.


Reply author: shell
Replied on: Jun 11 2007 21:25:15
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I had my gallbladder taken out last August, and have since then gained 20 pounds. I am so relieved to know that I am not crazy. I still run 3 miles 4-5 times a week, eat a good diet and can not get rid of the weight. I thought maybe I was slacking in some way. I am going to try the bile salts. If I keep gaining weight I think I will go crazy. NOne of my clothes fit and I refuse to buy new bigger one's. I have begged my husband for liposuction. He tells me I just need to diet and exercise. I guess he does not notice when I am eating s salad everytime we go out to eat, or having oatmeal or turkey wrap for dinner. I had already cut out most of the unhealthy eating styles before having my gallbladder removed, not much left to cut out!! It scares me to hear some of your post where you have gained more than 20 pounds. I will keep reading and hoping for a solution!!


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jun 12 2007 09:18:49
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by marieya

Most of my adult life I have been in a size 8, sometimes 6 depending on the cut. I just got a new job so I went to get new clothes which I have been avoiding. WELL, I am ashamed to say that I am over DOUBLE my size I am in a size 18...I cannot even believe this, its like a nightmare...I am sorely depressed...there is no end in sight...I don't know how much more of this I can take. I am still awaiting the bile salts and don't even feel like exercising or watching my diet anymore, what's the point-I keep gaining any ways. This is really getting depressing, I don't even want to go to my new job.


Marieya!!! YOU GET OUT OF THAT FUNK!!! My best friend is a size 20, she's only 5'2 and I would have never known that she was a size 20..she doesn't look obese at all, so I can guarantee you that you are harder on yourself. I know I'm hard on myself, but I noticed the less I stress, the easier it comes off. I was in the same funk that you are in, but I am noticing a difference, although slight, and I've also found out more info. Keep your calorie intake at 1200, don't go below 1000, and cut out any fatty foods such as cheese, etc.. There's this stuff called "muscle milk" that you can buy at GNC..it's like Slimfast w/o the sugar. This girl lost 6lbs in 10 days by replacing breakfast and lunch w/ the muscle milk shake and eating chicken and lots of veggies for dinner. That's one way I found out that may work, then the other is eating LOTS of raw veggies during the day and salads, and get your protien and fruits in. Maybe by starving ourselves we are causing more damage. It's strange but I noticed that eating good stuff during the day and taking bile salts w/ each meal is helping tremendously. Unfortunately, it's not an overnight thing..but that's what this forum is for..support..you'll get through it Marieya, I promise..If you want me to be your support buddy, I will, you can email me personally if you like...just don't give up, get out and walk, and throw everything that is bad for you away and stock your fridge w/ healthy stuff if you haven't already..it's been a year for me, and it's starting to budge..the bile salts will help tremendously!!


Reply author: Susan Gaudette
Replied on: Jun 13 2007 11:35:54
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Echo how is the pain outside of your belly area. I am still getting it. Not as bad but it is still there. I am scheduled to have a colonoscopy in August. I did manage to lose the 4 lbs I gained but I think it is just because I am still in the bathroom a bit. The doctor did put me on cholestrymine at night. This is the powder that you take at night. This has helped tremendously.


Reply author: cheeta
Replied on: Jun 13 2007 15:51:36
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It's been 10 years since my surgery and as I said I initially lost almost 75 lbs in 3 months (218# to 145#)-and a cheating x husband which was the best part)), mostly because I couldn't keep anything down and what went down came right out. :( I have slowly and steadily gained weight and now weigh 265#. Even now, if I skip a meal or eat salad or raw veggies I will get diarrhea after eating. I occasionally still get sharp little pains in my upper gastric area- I'm not sure if its another gallstone forming at the duct or just scar tissue being pulled as I continue to gain. I am lucky that I carry my weight fairly well and don't look like I weigh this much but I don't see light at the end of the tunnel. I'm missing out on my kids childhood which is the part I regret the most. I'm going to try the bile salts that echo spoke of and try drinking hot lemon tea/water.( I usually don't drink at all or only sips during meals-parental conditioning from childhood as my mother worried I didn't eat enough.) I'll let you know how it goes. I usually lose 5-6 pounds then within a month or so gain 10 back. Hopefully these changes along with different thyroid meds will help.
I recently had a pt that weighed over 850# and lost over 400# (yes I said 400 lbs) in about 5 months. Her weight gain was due to depression and overeating with the help of family members who catered to her appetite. Once she was in a controlled environment she lost weight rapidly and began doing some basic stretches and range of motion exercises. Sadly she developed complications due to her multiple health issues and passed away several months back. I try to use her memory for inspiration and hopefully prevention of further health issues of my own. My point is that as long as we are breathing we have hope. I refuse to give up the fight, I'm just a little slow getting started. Thanks


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jun 13 2007 21:45:51
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Susan Gaudette

Echo how is the pain outside of your belly area. I am still getting it. Not as bad but it is still there. I am scheduled to have a colonoscopy in August. I did manage to lose the 4 lbs I gained but I think it is just because I am still in the bathroom a bit. The doctor did put me on cholestrymine at night. This is the powder that you take at night. This has helped tremendously.



hey susan, I still get a sore feeling around my belly every once in awhile and it's been a year, but i think it's from what i eat..i take it you just had surgery not too long ago?? I must say , these bile salts are working w/ being able to eat veggies and certain dairy products, i don't get an upset stomach as much as i was. It took a good week 1/2 before i started noticing a difference and my weight and bloat has gone down, finally..it's slow, but it sure helps tremendously..


Reply author: emmafifema
Replied on: Jun 18 2007 04:52:44
Message:

Hi there,
I have been diagnosed with gallstones recently and have to have my gallbladder removed - after reading the posts on this site I am now worried about gaining weight as I have spent all my life trying to diet.

I have only managed to actually lose weight in the past year (50lb) and I really dont want to gain any of that back after surgery.

It would be great to hear from anyone who has lost weight after this surgery to give me some incentive to have it done and not just opt for the gallstone removal.

Thanks


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jun 18 2007 06:59:01
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by emmafifema

Hi there,
I have been diagnosed with gallstones recently and have to have my gallbladder removed - after reading the posts on this site I am now worried about gaining weight as I have spent all my life trying to diet.

I have only managed to actually lose weight in the past year (50lb) and I really dont want to gain any of that back after surgery.

It would be great to hear from anyone who has lost weight after this surgery to give me some incentive to have it done and not just opt for the gallstone removal.

Thanks



i know you would rather hear from someone that has lost weight, and there are, however, there are more on here that have gained. My suggestion to you is, DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE HAVING YOUR GALL BLADDER REMOVED>>>I really can't stress that enough..I really wish i had done my research BEFORE my surgery, but it all happened so quickly. There are ways to flush your gall bladder and certain dietary changes that will allow you to keep it, unless it's SEVERELY diseased. Doctors will not tell you this because most of them are money hungry and make LOTS of money off of this "sometimes" unneccessary surgery..here's a couple websites:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=586578
http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james19.htm
http://www.liverdoctor.cohttp
http://myvits.com/bodymech/bodymech-gallbladder.asp

you can also type in your "search engine" HOW TO AVOID GALL BLADDER REMOVAL and get TONS of info. Afterwards, go to your nearest health food and vitamin store and talk to one of the specialists..I found out about a natural flush that jump starts the gall bladder's function and maintains it's function AFTER my surgery. Unfortunately, it was too late and i didn't write down the ingredients, I remember there being a large amount of olive oil, maybe another person would know . If the woman is still at the same health store, i will try to get the ingredients and post it.

here are a couple websites that involve the olive oil flush:

http://www.fungusfocus.com/html/simple_liver_gall_bladder_fl.htm
http://www.kitchendoctor.com/healthconditions/gallstones/gallbladder.html

I'm not sure if these were the same ingredients that the woman had told me, but they sound familiar..be careful with some of the websites claiming "bogus cure" they are trying to sell vitamins that cost a lot of money..do your own research and make your own decisions..good luck!


Reply author: crparker
Replied on: Jun 20 2007 10:05:57
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I was only 24 when i had my galbladder removed i have never been small i was a 14 15 at the time but i was active with my baby and coul eat most thing with out the weight gain and havd lost 20lb that year at the birth of my son I was satified with my weight, but after the sugery i ask th dr if i have to change what i eat and he said no not really. If i would know that site existed i never would have had it removed. i gain 13lb the next month i never put things togather over the last year and half i gain 60 pounds riculous( thought it was stress do to baby daddy) I am still sexy but i my sexy proir to sugery was beter. I have to be real this effects my health and my ablity to get protection for my family that what bothers me. i need a diet i need to know what changes will impact weight lost i really dont know what to eat that wont cause the bloating the gas and what will clease my system. does this sound right
remove high fat item
dairy
high suger
breads
soda and juice
add 4 glass of water aday

what will clease your system after the sugury i feel bloated and like need a serious flush any suggestion.


Reply author: bubbles88
Replied on: Jun 20 2007 11:13:42
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Hi,

Im 16 and im suppose to be having my gall bladder out tomorrow and im worried about the weight gain. I mean im going into my senior year and the last thing i need is to be 30lbs more. I dont have stones it just functions at like a 7% if anyone can tell me how not to gain weight if its starting the day after not eating any fats just vegies and water thats fine.. please help


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jun 20 2007 11:43:40
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LADIES!!!! I got on the scale... I HAVE LOST 18 LBS!!! FINALLY!!! I never thought it would come off after a year of my gall bladder being removed..I have 20 more to go, but 18 lbs in 3 weeks is not bad at all!! I HAVEN"T EVEN EXERCISED IN OVER A MONTH!! I was in an accident and hurt myself.. I'm tellin' ya guys the BETA PLUS works..it takes awhile, but it's working.
This is what I take:
morning: (before brkfst)
1 Beta Plus, 1 multi vitamin, 1 vitamin C, 1 Vitamin E,2 fish oil soft gels, 1 flax seed soft gel, 1 vitamin B complex, 1 vitamin B12 and 1 Primal defense probiotic capsule.

then at every meal I take 1 Beta Plus (bile salts)....Unless I have very starchy food, I'll take 2 Beta plus.

I know it may sound like a lot, but they are vitamins and your body needs them, also I've found that I don't get hungry as quick.

I've basically eaten what I want IN MODERATION...I do have smoothies w/ fruit in the morning which has helped DRAMATICALLY...but I believe the real help is coming from the bile salts..Once I started taking them, I noticed the bloat go down little by little and found that I can eat the things I wasn't able to eat before...LOTS OF WATER!! At least 8 glasses a day..cut the sodas out completely...
I told ya guys that I would keep you informed, so I just thought I'd share it w/ ya'll, hopefully it will work for all of you..I never thought in this entire year that my weight would go down being that it creeped up lb by lb every single week. I would have probably lost more if I could walk a 1/2 hr..but hey, I'll take what I can get right now..
There is hope, If I can do it, all ya'll can do it..don't give up and stick to it..for those of you that read my earlier posts, you would know that I was completely down and out over the weight gain..I'm feeling better than ever now that the weight is coming off!! Good luck to all ya'll and hang in there..we are doing this together!!


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Jun 21 2007 06:19:44
Message:

Gmornin All! Echo, thank you so much for your support! I've started my new job this week and have been on the bile salts. The only thing I notice different is that I have a very funny (not pleasant) taste in my mouth ALL day. No weight loss but no gain either. I'll give it a little more time but did you notice that too?

Congrats on your weight loss darlin!


Reply author: Susan Gaudette
Replied on: Jun 21 2007 10:57:36
Message:

Hi there Echo. I am so happy this is working for you. I just ordered the Beta Plus and can't wait to get it. I will also keep you posted. I am really hoping it helps with the bloating and full feeling. Does it help you with that? The burning around my tummy is finally going away so I am happy about that. Thank you for all your support.

quote:
Originally posted by echo

LADIES!!!! I got on the scale... I HAVE LOST 18 LBS!!! FINALLY!!! I never thought it would come off after a year of my gall bladder being removed..I have 20 more to go, but 18 lbs in 3 weeks is not bad at all!! I HAVEN"T EVEN EXERCISED IN OVER A MONTH!! I was in an accident and hurt myself.. I'm tellin' ya guys the BETA PLUS works..it takes awhile, but it's working.
This is what I take:
morning: (before brkfst)
1 Beta Plus, 1 multi vitamin, 1 vitamin C, 1 Vitamin E,2 fish oil soft gels, 1 flax seed soft gel, 1 vitamin B complex, 1 vitamin B12 and 1 Primal defense probiotic capsule.

then at every meal I take 1 Beta Plus (bile salts)....Unless I have very starchy food, I'll take 2 Beta plus.

I know it may sound like a lot, but they are vitamins and your body needs them, also I've found that I don't get hungry as quick.

I've basically eaten what I want IN MODERATION...I do have smoothies w/ fruit in the morning which has helped DRAMATICALLY...but I believe the real help is coming from the bile salts..Once I started taking them, I noticed the bloat go down little by little and found that I can eat the things I wasn't able to eat before...LOTS OF WATER!! At least 8 glasses a day..cut the sodas out completely...
I told ya guys that I would keep you informed, so I just thought I'd share it w/ ya'll, hopefully it will work for all of you..I never thought in this entire year that my weight would go down being that it creeped up lb by lb every single week. I would have probably lost more if I could walk a 1/2 hr..but hey, I'll take what I can get right now..
There is hope, If I can do it, all ya'll can do it..don't give up and stick to it..for those of you that read my earlier posts, you would know that I was completely down and out over the weight gain..I'm feeling better than ever now that the weight is coming off!! Good luck to all ya'll and hang in there..we are doing this together!!


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Jun 21 2007 12:22:25
Message:

I have looked up the beta plus information. There is beta plus 180T and beta plus 90T. Is there any difference and which would you suggest?


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jun 21 2007 13:01:23
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by marieya

Gmornin All! Echo, thank you so much for your support! I've started my new job this week and have been on the bile salts. The only thing I notice different is that I have a very funny (not pleasant) taste in my mouth ALL day. No weight loss but no gain either. I'll give it a little more time but did you notice that too?

Congrats on your weight loss darlin!



marieya, thanx!! I haven't noticed too much of a strange taste.., are you taking the Beta Plus? Or bile salts from a health food store?..I'll give you the ingredients in the Beta Plus that way you can compare mg. and such..you may have pure bile salts, i've heard that will give a bad taste..this is what's in mine:
ox bile xtract 100mg
pancrelipase 50mg
beet concentrate 100mg
superoxide dismutase 20mcg
catalase 20mcg

this is a formula from Biotics Research called Beta Plus...if you call 1-866-551-8487 (myvits.com)..they will be able to tell you if the bile salts cause the taste
these are the medications that bile salts may interact with:
amylase, pancreatin/carbose, and miglitol
if you are on other meds, find out if they have any of these in them..then consult your doctor if so... sometimes when you take a vitamin that interacts w/ meds, you can get a bad taste in your mouth.
you can call the # above and tell them what you are taking and ask them about the bile salts, they will be able to tell you EVERYTHING..they were a BIG help to me. I actually got an email from the doctor after he looked over my chart..he's the one that told me about Beta Plus...there is no charge for anything only the vitamins if you buy from them of course..they really do help you..
Just keep up the diet , it has been very slow for me but in no time after i quit stressing..it started coming off..so try not to stress, stay off of scales, and eat fresh foods..knock out sugar for now, and starches..if you have rice bread and pasta, make sure it's multi grain or wheat, and eat that in SMALL quantities..eat a lot of salads , fresh fruit, chicken, fish , and turkey..
KEEP YOUR STRESS LEVEL DOWN, DO NOT STARVE YOURSELF...stop worrying about the weight..i know it's hard, it was hard for me, but once you realize you are eating right and enough, doing some form of excercise (i think i'd lose a lot quicker if i could excercise) staying off of scales and trying on old clothes that used to fit...you'll start noticing the clothes you are in start getting looser and looser...I PROMISE...drink LOTS of water..oh, at night i have a cup of milk thistle tea...milk thistle cleanses your liver...

please keep me informed w/ what's going on..as I said, we will all support one another..IT WILL ALL COME OFF..just give it time..maybe if I hadn't stressed so much and felt so bad about myself being so depressed, i may have lost it long ago. But it's hard when the scale keeps jumping and the clothes quit fitting...i guess after i accepted the fact that i can't control what happens, i took control of my inner self and had to "re-like" myself regardless of the weight gain..i found myself less attractive to others because of my constant complaining about my weight, it showed me being weak, nobody cared that i gained weight, they just wanted "me" back..once I found "me" and realized that my size does not make "me" is when i started feeling better about myself able to relax...now i'm feeling like nothing can stop me from losing these last 20lbs..it's like I know I can do it..i promise that you will too..just hang in there...don't think "how much time", just think "it will".


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jun 21 2007 13:24:18
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Susan Gaudette

Hi there Echo. I am so happy this is working for you. I just ordered the Beta Plus and can't wait to get it. I will also keep you posted. I am really hoping it helps with the bloating and full feeling. Does it help you with that? The burning around my tummy is finally going away so I am happy about that. Thank you for all your support.

quote:
Originally posted by echo

LADIES!!!! I got on the scale... I HAVE LOST 18 LBS!!! FINALLY!!! I never thought it would come off after a year of my gall bladder being removed..I have 20 more to go, but 18 lbs in 3 weeks is not bad at all!! I HAVEN"T EVEN EXERCISED IN OVER A MONTH!! I was in an accident and hurt myself.. I'm tellin' ya guys the BETA PLUS works..it takes awhile, but it's working.
This is what I take:
morning: (before brkfst)
1 Beta Plus, 1 multi vitamin, 1 vitamin C, 1 Vitamin E,2 fish oil soft gels, 1 flax seed soft gel, 1 vitamin B complex, 1 vitamin B12 and 1 Primal defense probiotic capsule.

then at every meal I take 1 Beta Plus (bile salts)....Unless I have very starchy food, I'll take 2 Beta plus.

I know it may sound like a lot, but they are vitamins and your body needs them, also I've found that I don't get hungry as quick.

I've basically eaten what I want IN MODERATION...I do have smoothies w/ fruit in the morning which has helped DRAMATICALLY...but I believe the real help is coming from the bile salts..Once I started taking them, I noticed the bloat go down little by little and found that I can eat the things I wasn't able to eat before...LOTS OF WATER!! At least 8 glasses a day..cut the sodas out completely...
I told ya guys that I would keep you informed, so I just thought I'd share it w/ ya'll, hopefully it will work for all of you..I never thought in this entire year that my weight would go down being that it creeped up lb by lb every single week. I would have probably lost more if I could walk a 1/2 hr..but hey, I'll take what I can get right now..
There is hope, If I can do it, all ya'll can do it..don't give up and stick to it..for those of you that read my earlier posts, you would know that I was completely down and out over the weight gain..I'm feeling better than ever now that the weight is coming off!! Good luck to all ya'll and hang in there..we are doing this together!!





Hi Susan, yes it has helped w/ bloating...i've noticed my mid section shrinking...i don't think this is a so- called diet pill, it just gets your system back to what it was before, it helps you keep the weight off and of course lose because it's helping to break down fats like the gall bladder had once done..i've noticed that i can eat a lot of the things i couldn't after my surgery...
You just had the surgery not too long ago, right? If so, your bloat is from all the air they pump in you during the surgery..it's just gas, that takes awhile to go away...bile salts won't assist w/ that..so don't get discouraged..your body will expell all of that in time.. i would get real bloated and then it would go away, come back..etc..i've heard that taking an anti gas pill helps w/ the after surgery bloat..i think beano? I didn't take anything after mine, just got upset that i got so big in a small amount of time..i wouldn't eat which made the bloat worse (didn't know it at the time)..make sure you are eating right..that's the biggest thing including the bile salts..and water..the bloat will go down in no time.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jun 21 2007 13:33:08
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quote:
Originally posted by hoyte54

I have looked up the beta plus information. There is beta plus 180T and beta plus 90T. Is there any difference and which would you suggest?



i believe the difference is the amount of tabs...180 tablets and 90 tablets...myvits.com has the 90 tabs (90t)..are you finding this on another website? if so, let me know if it's cheaper or not..i get mine for i think 15.00..if i can get it cheaper that would be great since i need to stay on them..


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Jun 21 2007 15:03:02
Message:

Check out this website.
http://www.calibex.com/beta-plus/zzcalibex2zB1z0--search-html


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Jun 21 2007 15:16:05
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Here is another website. https://www.dcnutrition.com/products/Detail.CFM?RecordNumber=212 Look at the sites and see if any of them are worth looking into. I am debating on which one I will try. The first one I sent has such very low prices,it seems too good to be true. However,with the success stories, I am reading about in this forum, I am game to try the beta plus. I have tried just about everything else.


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Jun 21 2007 20:03:47
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"knock out sugar for now, and starches..if you have rice bread and pasta, make sure it's multi grain or wheat, and eat that in SMALL quantities..eat a lot of salads , fresh fruit, chicken, fish , and turkey.."

already do ALL of this! and no soda or coffee or anything, always just drink water.

I've only been on a week so will give it some more time. They are the same BetaPlus, I ordered from your site. I am also taking a liver cleanser because I had an awful pain in that area for a while...it has been gone the past few days though so hopefully is working (cause I've had it for months!)

You make it sound so promising...I just feel so uncomfortable in general that I cannot wait for something to start happening!

Have you heard of Allie? I think thats how you spell it, a few people have mentioned it recently, just came out. It supposedly cuts down 25 to 50 percent of the fat that you digest so I was thinking this would be especially good for us gall bladder challenged folks.


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Jun 21 2007 20:18:48
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PS about the BetaPlus Bile Salts...

The directions say to take 1-3 tablets with each meal. They say to switch it up, taking 1 with one meal one day and the next day 2 with your meal just so you don't become dependent on them.

How true is this because if you're even taking 1 at all with every meal then you will be dependent.


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Jun 21 2007 21:01:11
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Alli has the same basic make up as the Xenical diet pill, the main difference is, that it is less expensive.I took it for a while. There were some unpleasant side effects. I had to watch my fat intake carefully or I would have to make the same surprise bathroom visits as before and there was also an unpleasant ordor and leakage of excess fat. Before you make that decision research Xenical it has been around for awhile and much of what applies to Xenical applies to Alli.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jun 21 2007 23:15:45
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hoyte, the Biotics reasearch beta Plus is the one I take..i was told to take them w/ every meal for the rest of my life. I only take one per meal unless i am having something more fatty, then I'll take 2. Alli is exactly like Xenical and the side effects are HORRIBLE! The worst side effect is leakage (oil) from you know where..eeew!! and it also makes your stomach feel weird, like cotton growing..it's strange..eat good fats, olive oil instead of vegetable, and stay away from hydrogenated oils. All of us have been on strict diets after this surgery and still gained weight, but i do notice a big difference w/ the bile salts..Marieya, w/ the bile salts it will help break down the fats that are in the food that we normally eat..it just takes time..read my older posts and you will see that i've been through all the same problems, wasn't til I took the Beta Plus that i started to lose the weight while sticking to my diet. I wouldn't touch sugar and all that stuff and still gained weight..for some reason the bile salts are doing its job..slowly, but surely..i was on phentermine for awhile and didn't lose a pound..i'm just glad i talked to someone at that website..they referred me to a doctor here in Tampa,i thought this doc here could take my insurance, but he couldn't so i canceled my appt. Unless my body has freaked out in some odd way, I can only believe it's the bile salts that are helping..and I've calmed down a lot and quit freaking out..stress is the #1 reason for weight gain in women....trust me, just stick to your diet, add a multivitamin, fish oil, and the bile salts..and don't think about whether or not you are losing..just try it and see what happens..this felt like overnight after 18 lbs because i quit thinking about it..but it's been a little over 3 weeks..just everyone on here go for a month, do not weigh yourself in between, and then after a month weigh yourself and see if you've lost..if it works, awesome..if not, hopefully someone on here will have another way..my friend is on a 700 cal. diet and taking b12 shots..she has thyroid disease and other things wrong...that diet is working for her..she didn't have her gall bladder removed, but has fought w/ her weight since her disease...she told me she is also taking B6, which i'm getting tomorrow..after a month if you guys haven't lost anything, i'll get her diet plan and vitamin list and post it for ya..there may be underlying reasons for not losing anything even after dieting and taking bile salts...


Reply author: Susan Gaudette
Replied on: Jun 22 2007 08:54:56
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Echo I had the surgery on March 16 so it has been 3 months. Sometimes the bloating is very bad and sometimes not so bad. The chloestrymine has definitely helped the bm and I no longer have to run to the bathroom. I will say that if I forget to take it, then bam it is back. This is something I will have to take the rest of my life. I am also on prilosec but that does nothing for my tummy. Everything I eat gives me gas and I eat extremely well because I also have Type 2 diabetes. So no sugar and no salt. I eat so little right now that the doctor took me off my diabetes meds (good)because my sugars have been too low. I am really hoping that the beta plus is going to help with everything else. I do go to a GI specialist next week for a GI series so who knows what that will find.
Thank you all for your support.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jun 22 2007 13:47:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Susan Gaudette

Echo I had the surgery on March 16 so it has been 3 months. Sometimes the bloating is very bad and sometimes not so bad. The chloestrymine has definitely helped the bm and I no longer have to run to the bathroom. I will say that if I forget to take it, then bam it is back. This is something I will have to take the rest of my life. I am also on prilosec but that does nothing for my tummy. Everything I eat gives me gas and I eat extremely well because I also have Type 2 diabetes. So no sugar and no salt. I eat so little right now that the doctor took me off my diabetes meds (good)because my sugars have been too low. I am really hoping that the beta plus is going to help with everything else. I do go to a GI specialist next week for a GI series so who knows what that will find.
Thank you all for your support.



susan, is the doctor telling you to stay on cholestrymine for the rest of your life? go to this website:

http://www.medicinenet.com/cholestyramine/article.htm

I was told by my regular doctor not to take the stuff..my surgeon, unfortunately, was very vague w/ what to do after the surgery and insisted that my weight gain wasn't because of my gall bladder...well as we all can see on this forum, something is not right..it irritates me when the doctors do not listen. I would definitely get a second opinion on the cholestrymine, it has interactions w/ other drugs and it's mainly used for liver and biliary disease and relieves the itching from it. My regular doctor couldn't understand why my surgeon put me on it..
It's been a year for me and I still get bloating, not half as bad, so yea, you're still at an early stage. Your body is still trying to get used to the loss of the gall bladder.. just check into the cholestrymine..the website I gave you has all the precautions, use, etc..let me know if you find out anything..this is getting very interesting w/ all the conflicting do's and don'ts from these doctors, sometimes I wonder how they got their license to practice..I don't know what to believe anymore...

I get these posts through my yahoo mail, does anyone get 10 messages at a time from the same person when notified w/ 1 reply from this forum??


Reply author: Manda85Jo
Replied on: Jun 27 2007 14:32:06
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I had my gall bladder removed two weeks ago on Monday. I got out the hospital two weeks ago this evening. Two weeks ago Monday morning I was woken up with the horrible upper abdominal pain and had to be taken to the hospital by an ambulance. Come to find out, it was gall stones trying to pass. It was recommended that I have it removed. (And I agreed. NO WAY was I going through that pain again!) My doctor/surgeon was also very vague about what causes gall stones and why I may have gotten them so young ( I just turned 22 a month ago) He was equally as vague with diet and post surgery care. Even the nurses couldn't really give me an idea of what to watch out for or avoid, or what would be good for me. I got out of the hospital Wednesday night around 9 pm and went straight home. Thursday was tough and I didn't eat a whole lot, mostly liquid because I was afraid solid stuff would hurt. But I continued over the next few days to feel better and better. I went back to work a week and a day after I was released and started to do massage again on the two week mark of having gone into the hospital.
For about 2 months proir to my surgery, I had been having left side rib and lung issues and those are totally resolved now. I had packed on about 50 pounds since January (being 290# on a 5'8" frame the week before my surgery, mostly stress induced weight I think, though) But I am two weeks out and very happy to say that I have lost 7 pounds and 5.5 inches total. I have no abdominal discomfort, no GI issues at this point and even went out last Friday and had cocktails with friends with no abnormal reprocussions. I have had no issues with food thus far. I really feel like having this surgery may have cleared up some problems I may have had internally. I have been out on walks with my dog and am looking forward to getting back to jogging(did 4 miles the very day before my surgery)and I joined an Ultimate Frisbee league and had my first practice last night.
I know how it feels to have the weight pile on no matter what you do. Its the worst feeling in the world and I have without a question been there before. But it will all pan out. Things will get better. Best of luck and good health!
Mandy


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Jul 01 2007 10:45:11
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good mornin ladies!

SO, this makes my 3rd week on the bile salts. Have followed my diet to a T, exercise (as usual)... Have lost **drum roll please** a big fat ZERO lbs! *is there an eye rolling smiley*

The good news, if there is any, is I have not gained any either. Considering I've exhausted the medical community and they seeminly have a profound lack of knowledge on this issue I think I am going to trying a personal trainer. Has anyone else gone this route? I know they're not drs (not that the dr's know their asses from their elbows) but anywho, the pt's have extensive knowledge of the body and how to maximize results. They are a littley pricey but if it means getting the weight off I would pay as much as they want.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jul 01 2007 22:42:04
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by marieya

good mornin ladies!

SO, this makes my 3rd week on the bile salts. Have followed my diet to a T, exercise (as usual)... Have lost **drum roll please** a big fat ZERO lbs! *is there an eye rolling smiley*

The good news, if there is any, is I have not gained any either. Considering I've exhausted the medical community and they seeminly have a profound lack of knowledge on this issue I think I am going to trying a personal trainer. Has anyone else gone this route? I know they're not drs (not that the dr's know their asses from their elbows) but anywho, the pt's have extensive knowledge of the body and how to maximize results. They are a littley pricey but if it means getting the weight off I would pay as much as they want.




hi marieya..don't sweat it..after the 4th week for me i started noticing weight coming off..i've now lost 22 lbs..it sat in one place, no weight gain for almost a month and then it started coming off out of the blue...don't give up and if you want to use a personal trainer it can only help..i've noticed its constant maintenance, but the bile salts certainly stop the weight "gain" by sticking to diet and excercise...you'll see it happen when you least know it..


Reply author: Susan Gaudette
Replied on: Jul 02 2007 08:07:52
Message:

Hi ladies, I also started taking the bile salts. My only problem is that I notice I have very loose bm when I take them. Is anyone else having this problem. I am hoping it is my body getting use to it again.

Sue

quote:
Originally posted by echo

quote:
Originally posted by marieya

good mornin ladies!

SO, this makes my 3rd week on the bile salts. Have followed my diet to a T, exercise (as usual)... Have lost **drum roll please** a big fat ZERO lbs! *is there an eye rolling smiley*

The good news, if there is any, is I have not gained any either. Considering I've exhausted the medical community and they seeminly have a profound lack of knowledge on this issue I think I am going to trying a personal trainer. Has anyone else gone this route? I know they're not drs (not that the dr's know their asses from their elbows) but anywho, the pt's have extensive knowledge of the body and how to maximize results. They are a littley pricey but if it means getting the weight off I would pay as much as they want.




hi marieya..don't sweat it..after the 4th week for me i started noticing weight coming off..i've now lost 22 lbs..it sat in one place, no weight gain for almost a month and then it started coming off out of the blue...don't give up and if you want to use a personal trainer it can only help..i've noticed its constant maintenance, but the bile salts certainly stop the weight "gain" by sticking to diet and excercise...you'll see it happen when you least know it..


Reply author: JessicaNRodger
Replied on: Jul 02 2007 14:17:32
Message:

Hello everyone!

All I can say is WOW. It's amazing how many people out there still experience gallbladder symptoms and weight gain after having their gall bladder out!

I too, am one of them. Here's my story:

I am a nurse and stay at home mom. My husband is an Emergency Room physician. I have had four children, two of them in the last two years; they are 13 months apart! As a result of the high level of circulating estrogen, my gallbladder function ceased. (High levels of estrogen can basically "fry" a gallbladder, that's why women on hormone replacement therapy and post partum women routinely have gallbladder problems.) Anyway, I was rushed to ER with an attack. My HIDA scan revealed by gallbladder to have an ejection fraction at NEGATIVE 9%. My husband nor I have never seen an ejection fraction in the negative with any of our patients! My gallbladder was removed in May of this year.

Since then, the symptoms still exist, as so many of yours do too. The symptoms I can handle. What I cannot handle is the WEIGHT GAIN. 35+ pounds so far. In my abdomen, hips, and thighs. I lost weight during my pregnancy. Since having my GB removed, it has been like a switch has been flipped. Weight gain no matter what I eat, even if I eat at all. I am always busy, running around the house with children, to school functions, to football games, all this while BREASTFEEDING. My caloric intake is less than 1500. And the weight is still packing on.

My husband was also taught in medical school that the GB is functionally useless, and weight loss is associated with the removal of it. He is now convinced that is not true.

After research, my husband has a theory on what may be happening:
it makes since that physicians would think that weight loss should occur. There is less bile, which means less fat asorbtion, which means the fat comes out in your stool, which means the fat is not ushered into fat cells via the bile. Viola! Weight loss.

This is not true. There is a mechanism at work here that is not fully understood or researched. The reason it's not fully researched is because there is no money in it. It would be hell to convince a drug company and the FDA to approve a food supplement or a precription med that helped with post cholecystectomy patients. A huge meal ticket for general surgeons are cholecystectomies. 600,000 are performed each year.

This is our theory on why weight is packed on instead of lost: Bile is needed to help absorb the fat and break it down into vital fat soluable vitamins. A, D, E, and K. When the predictable amounts of bile is lost, the liver must work overtime to compensate by "guessing" at how much bile is going to be needed to digest your meal. Sometimes it overshoots, and diarrhea happens. Sometimes it doesn't secrete enough, and constipation happens. Hardly anything nutritious is absorbed. Therefore, your body shoves the fat somewhere else for later: in your fat tissue. Our bodies have been thrown into a fuctional "mal absorbtion syndrome". Our body thinks we aren't getting nutrients we need, so it holds on to everything, packing it where ever it can, for possible energy stores later. Fatigue results from this.

It would make sense to replace in our body what we lost from the function of the GB. The GB is NOT useless, it is VITAL in helping us metabolize and break down fats properly.

Someone earlier posted this web site: www.gallbladderattacks.com

We are going to try the "weight loss kit" that this woman sells, for people after having their GB out. It is basically bile salts, PLUS a BHB fat metabolizer, Mega Acid A, etc. It would seem reasonable that since our built in metabolizer was removed, that we must manually put in digestive aids to metabolize the fat we take in.

I'll keep my results posted. And to the VERY FEW lucky ones proclaiming they lost weight or maintained their weights after having their gallbladder out: congratualtions, and consider yourself abnormal. This is not the norm. We are happy for you, but do not need your weight loss thrown in our face and your self proclaiming medical advice of "it must just be what we are eating." Does it make you feel better to bring people to tears that are struggling with their weight for no known reason? Since your body has adjusted so well after having your GB removed, that may suggest your liver is already working too hard to compensate. Be prepared for colitis, ulcers, and bile stones in your liver later on in life.

For all of us in THIS boat, don't be too hard on yourself. There IS a reason for all this. Just because it's not fully understood, doesn't mean it's not there.

Best of luck,
Jessica


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Jul 04 2007 18:58:28
Message:

Excellent post Jessica! Am sorry you're having these same problems too. It truly is a living nightmare every day. As I said before thankfully my weight gain has stopped at around 210 and have not gained since taking the bile salts. Echo, I will continue to take them and let you know on week 4 (I weigh myself once a week). Am afraid to go off them now because Lord knows how much more I would be gaining if I wasn't on them.

I also feel like a switch has been turned in my body and something is broken. I am interested in that fat metabolizer you spoke of (jessica) and could you give a little more info than that? Is it the combo of bile salts and that that will do the trick? B Salts to prevent gain and the metabolizer to encourage loss?


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Jul 04 2007 19:00:26
Message:

WOW. Just reread my last post and saw my "thankfully my weight gain has stopped at 210 lbs" !!!!

Never in my life would I have imagined reaching the 200lb mark, it is so surreal. I haven't had kids yet but am planning to someday and even then I would have thought the highest I would get into would be the 170s (at the very most).


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Jul 06 2007 19:53:04
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Hi ladies, I received my beta plus today. I was rather surprised that my order came so quickly. I have a few questions and would like your input.

1. I take aloe tablets at night to relieve the bloated feeling I often get.It is a mild laxative. Do you think I should continue to take it while taking the beta plus?

2. Are any of you taking the beta plus, on any other medication? I take medication for high blood pressure. I wonder if it would decrease the effectiveness of the beta plus.

I am excited to get started. I still drink hot water and lemon after each meal. I would love any input anyone has.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jul 06 2007 23:14:55
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by hoyte54

Hi ladies, I received my beta plus today. I was rather surprised that my order came so quickly. I have a few questions and would like your input.

1. I take aloe tablets at night to relieve the bloated feeling I often get.It is a mild laxative. Do you think I should continue to take it while taking the beta plus?

2. Are any of you taking the beta plus, on any other medication? I take medication for high blood pressure. I wonder if it would decrease the effectiveness of the beta plus.

I am excited to get started. I still drink hot water and lemon after each meal. I would love any input anyone has.



hi hoyte, aloe is EXCELLENT to take, as far as high blood pressure meds, you would need to talk to your doc..i haven't seen anything on the net as far as bile salts causing problems w/ blood pressure meds.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jul 06 2007 23:19:15
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by marieya

WOW. Just reread my last post and saw my "thankfully my weight gain has stopped at 210 lbs" !!!!

Never in my life would I have imagined reaching the 200lb mark, it is so surreal. I haven't had kids yet but am planning to someday and even then I would have thought the highest I would get into would be the 170s (at the very most).





marieya, stay off of scales for awhile, and keep up the diet, i promise you will notice a change. my weight stayed the same for a week and 1/2, then it started coming off. I am working out w/ weights at physical therapy and have noticed slight weight gain which is actually muscle, also i splurged a couple nights by eating sweets and noticed right away a stop in weight loss. Now i'm back on track w/ my diet and dropping again. It just takes time, don't get discouraged.


Reply author: Gail
Replied on: Jul 07 2007 21:15:16
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I was so happy to find this sight. I had my gall bladder removed 14 months ago, and have gained about 30 pounds; mostly in my mid-section. I had previously lost about 80 pounds and was doing so well, then because of constant back pain and one stone, decided to have the surgery. Like some other stories I've read, my doctor was pretty vague about any long term affects. I have the same problem with constant diarreah, also. I've been eating chicken, fish, salad, and all the foods that always helped me lose weight. It's so frustrating, and like some of you, my doctor doesn't seem to think these two things are connected. I think I'll print all these pages and let him see. I never heard of bile salts, but I'm willing to try anything. I'll keep reading aqnd hope that someone out there can come up with a solution.


Reply author: Ultraviolet25
Replied on: Jul 09 2007 15:43:13
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I cant believe how angry I am...my doctor practically railroaded me into surgery with platitudes of a 'full health life' and 'dont worry dear'...I put off the removal and tried to find out as much info as possible before the surgery as to the side effects after surgery. Not one bit of material I read mentioned weight gain!!! I have gained so much weight and am feeling depressed, ugly and lied to. I would have much rather lived with a bit of pain now and again than a huge roll round my middle! I have never been one to have a high fat diet so lord only knows where the stones came from.I NEED HELP!


Reply author: Riverlady
Replied on: Jul 12 2007 23:09:42
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Jessica this makes so much sense. I'm going to print this and take it with me to my Dr. appt. I had my gallbladder removed last October and I am struggling with my weight all the time. Within the last few months it seems like I'm steadily gaining weight and I'm always hungry. Before I had my gallbladder removed I only weighed 110 now I weigh 125. My clothes are so tight that I'm fixing to go up a size. This is driving me crazy!!!! You mentioned the weight loss kit. Where did you find this and has it helped?


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jul 13 2007 00:07:19
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riverlady, get some bile salts, it will help break down the fats that your gall bladder used to


Reply author: Riverlady
Replied on: Jul 14 2007 01:18:53
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Thanks Echo!!!! I think I read your post that you got your bile salts from Biotics. Is this correct? Do you think it is better to get them there or just at my local health food store. I want to make sure I get what works.


Reply author: Cranekc
Replied on: Jul 17 2007 14:50:43
Message:

Echo:

I am curious to know if you have lost anymore weight since your last posting. Also, do you still have to keep a strict diet to keep the weight off while taking the bile salts?

I have been battling the same weight issues for over a year now and have managed to keep it down trying different things, but not consistent. I have ordered the Beta Plus, should receive tomorrow. I was already taking a multi-vitamin. I went out and purchased the flax seed oil capsule, vitamin E and C, and a vitamin B Complex. Did the doctor from the myvits.com site recommend that you take those supplements with Beta Plus? Did he give you any reason as to why it takes over 4 weeks of taking Beta Plus before you start seeing results? Also, you said that you lost 22 lbs in an earlier post - was that gradual or within a few days?

Thanks for your help! Karen


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jul 17 2007 15:19:51
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Riverlady

Thanks Echo!!!! I think I read your post that you got your bile salts from Biotics. Is this correct? Do you think it is better to get them there or just at my local health food store. I want to make sure I get what works.



Hi Riverlady...I went through myvits.com....the reason why is because you can actually call the # and they will do a quick analysis on what you are taking now and your health issues...the one i have is what the Doctor had recommended. You can actually email the doc or have the receptionist leave your message for him. You don't have to go that route, and if you have a local health food store, i'm sure any bile salts will do..i'm on biotics lab..Beta Plus...I take it w/ every meal..I've found them to be cheaper than some in the health food stores..


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jul 17 2007 15:54:32
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Cranekc

Echo:

I am curious to know if you have lost anymore weight since your last posting. Also, do you still have to keep a strict diet to keep the weight off while taking the bile salts?

I have been battling the same weight issues for over a year now and have managed to keep it down trying different things, but not consistent. I have ordered the Beta Plus, should receive tomorrow. I was already taking a multi-vitamin. I went out and purchased the flax seed oil capsule, vitamin E and C, and a vitamin B Complex. Did the doctor from the myvits.com site recommend that you take those supplements with Beta Plus? Did he give you any reason as to why it takes over 4 weeks of taking Beta Plus before you start seeing results? Also, you said that you lost 22 lbs in an earlier post - was that gradual or within a few days?

Thanks for your help! Karen



hi Karen, the doc from myvits.com only recommended the Beta Plus because I was already on multi vitamins..the only thing i added (as per my regular doc here in Tampa)was the flax seed oil and the fish oils...it takes awhile w/ every vitamin to gel w/ your system..there is no actual "time" for it to work, i've found that it took 4 weeks for me to "lose weight". This is not a "diet pill" if you eat fatty foods all the time, you will gain weight..this just helps break the fats down as your gall bladder had done prior to the surgery...w/o the bile salts, the weight creeps no matter what you eat. I ate junk for a week because of 4th of July, i gained a couple lbs back..now that i am back to eating healthier, it's coming back off..before bile salts, i dieted to the point of starvation and CONTINUED to gain weight, but now i can actually eat well and once i reach my goal weight, maintain. For an ENTIRE YEAR prior to the salts All I did was gain...so i can tell that they are working and it's a lifetime commitment..as far as the 22lbs, i am now at 23lbs, only one lb but as i said, i put on a couple lbs from pigging out on sweets, chips and alcohol. I've found that I do not have to be on a STRICT diet, just eat normal small portions and stay away from sugar ..limit yourself only once a week if you can't do w/o it.

ALSO!! I know this may sound weird, but, I was having trouble w/ constipation on and off and i believe someone on this forum had the same problem...I bought a bag of dried plums (or prunes) and I eat them first thing in the morning, i have approx. 4-6 prunes EVERY morning and I have been full up until afternoon and have no more bowel problems..i take 1 bile salt caplet even w/ the prunes..and the prunes have helped w/ my sweet tooth

i just hope that what i am doing to get the weight off will help everyone on this forum ..i promised a lot of women on here that if something works for me i will pass it on..a few months ago i was at wits end and looking back at my posts, i almost sounded POSTAL..lol!! But to come back on w/ results is hopefully something that can help others on here. There are a lot of other women at their wits end over this, i can certainly feel for them..just everyone know that if I can do it..all ya'll can do it..just hang in there..and as i had said in one post, maintain your stress level, i never could and then finally i realized what i was doing...i added more stress by hating myself and my body that it didn't matter what i did, i couldn't lose weight....i had to come to the conclusion a few months ago that i can't do anymore and i am who i am and if nobody likes it they can kiss my butt..this is a medical problem and i truly feel that i've found a solution for myself and in time the weight will be completely off..


Reply author: Cranekc
Replied on: Jul 17 2007 17:42:26
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Thank you so much Echo! I appreciate the immediate response and input. It is a blessing to find that someone is using something that is helping! One other question: You said that your doctor from Tampa started you on Flax Seed Oil and Fish Oil. Did you start those supplements the same time you started the Beta Plus? Or were you losing weight with Beta Plus before you started those supplements?

I completely understand the frustration and aggravation of starving and still gaining weight. It has been an uphill battle for me as well. I have spent so much money on trying everything under the sun to control my weight. I have never been a big eater and have never had trouble staying at 115 - after gallbladder surgery, sometimes my weight will jump 3 lbs in one day! and I haven't hardly eaten anything! I have been taking cholacol, but don't find it to help me lose the weight, only control it somewhat.

I was just curious about eating habits because I do like to snack on something sweet every once and a while. I have been notorius for eating healthy, so that is not a problem for me.

Please keep us posted....every inspirational story gives us some light of hope!
Thanks, Karen


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jul 18 2007 10:54:39
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Cranekc

Thank you so much Echo! I appreciate the immediate response and input. It is a blessing to find that someone is using something that is helping! One other question: You said that your doctor from Tampa started you on Flax Seed Oil and Fish Oil. Did you start those supplements the same time you started the Beta Plus? Or were you losing weight with Beta Plus before you started those supplements?

I completely understand the frustration and aggravation of starving and still gaining weight. It has been an uphill battle for me as well. I have spent so much money on trying everything under the sun to control my weight. I have never been a big eater and have never had trouble staying at 115 - after gallbladder surgery, sometimes my weight will jump 3 lbs in one day! and I haven't hardly eaten anything! I have been taking cholacol, but don't find it to help me lose the weight, only control it somewhat.

I was just curious about eating habits because I do like to snack on something sweet every once and a while. I have been notorius for eating healthy, so that is not a problem for me.

Please keep us posted....every inspirational story gives us some light of hope!
Thanks, Karen



Hi Karen....I started the fish oils and flax seed around the same time as the bile salts...I wasn't getting enough nutrients from starving myself prior, so he insisted on me taking these supplements along w/ a multi, C, and D...as far as the sweets, just limit them, and I've also found out that if you crave chocolate, make a cake w/ dark chocolate & wheat flour,instead of white flour...our system breaks down grains better than white flour, white rice, etc..
just don't overdo anything and try to stay away from sugar and alcohol as much as possible..it makes a big difference. I look at it as a way of life now and I've found that after taking these supplements, I'm not as hungry and I don't crave junk..I guess cause I'm getting what my body needs??


Reply author: brenlaine
Replied on: Jul 18 2007 19:46:08
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Echo could youplease list everything you are taking, the amounts and times taken etc for me?

I have gained 33 lbs since I had my GB removed in November. It just struck me at the beginning of the week that maybe that had something to do with it. I am so miserble and my stomach looks like I am 9 months pregnant. I feel I will never bounce back and be the way I was before. Finding this site has at least made me realize I am not alone. THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR SHARING!


Reply author: ebony_me
Replied on: Jul 18 2007 22:28:04
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I had my GB removed almost 10 years ago . And for those of you who are guessing if your weight gain is do to havin yours removed too? YES, YES, YES, it is!!! I have tried a few diets and noting seems to work, the weitht just keeps coming . So short of go on only vegetables and water I an going to try the bile salts that were spoke of in this form and see how they work for me while on a "low-fat" diet . I'll keep you all informed as to how it goes of me. Thanks to all of the info I've gotten here .


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Jul 18 2007 23:04:50
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I am sorry to report that I am still at my "wits end" This is my 5th week (I think) of the bile salts and to date have not lost one single ounce...have actually gained 1 lb but depending on cycle could be water weight. Believe me, I exercise almost daily and my coworkers constantly remark how well I eat but it doesn't matter what I do there is no progress.

I am going to try that GB weight loss kit that was mentioned earlier. I wish the person who posted that would report back with results. It includes the bile salts, which I do NOT believe aids in weight loss I just think that it stabilizes you where you're at. As I said in an earlier post I was gaining non-stop. I started taking the BileSalts with a Liver DTX Comples (daily) and thankfully have stopped gaining. I pray to God this GB kit works, it is enough of a struggle finding clothes to wear every day but I'm the maid of honor in my best friend's wedding this fall and no one has ever seen me at this high of a weight so am not looking forward to it.


Reply author: Tina
Replied on: Jul 19 2007 11:19:26
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I had my gallbladder out in 1990. I weighed 100 lbs. at that time. Since then I have put on alot of weight - I weight alomost 170 lbs. now. Until recently I never thought about my weight gain and gallbladder removal being linked. I think that it is. I do not eat poorly - I have tried so many diets and diet pills, I probably could pay for another gallbladder surgery. ( I had my lapriscopic) I wish someone would look at the effects of having your gallbladder removed and the subsequent weight gain that so many people experience. I have been unsuccessful in my attempt to loose any of this weight.

Tina


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jul 20 2007 11:27:04
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by brenlaine

Echo could youplease list everything you are taking, the amounts and times taken etc for me?

I have gained 33 lbs since I had my GB removed in November. It just struck me at the beginning of the week that maybe that had something to do with it. I am so miserble and my stomach looks like I am 9 months pregnant. I feel I will never bounce back and be the way I was before. Finding this site has at least made me realize I am not alone. THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR SHARING!


Brenlaine, In the morning I take a multi, C, E, 2 fish oil tabs, 1 bile salt tab, 1 flax seed and i eat 5 dried plums in the morning which keeps me full..i eat a lot of salads, and have "smart ones" frozen dinners on hand.. also i've found that "carb blockers" help when i feel the need to have starchy and sweet foods...i do not eat a lot of those, just in moderation..and i do not take the carb blockers w/ every meal, only when i know i am having a LARGE amount of starches...the " bile salts" as i stated before, ARE NOT DIET PILLS...as Marieya stated:

''' """I am sorry to report that I am still at my "wits end" This is my 5th week (I think) of the bile salts and to date have not lost one single ounce...have actually gained 1 lb but depending on cycle could be water weight. Believe me, I exercise almost daily and my coworkers constantly remark how well I eat but it doesn't matter what I do there is no progress."""'''

Bile salts aid in breaking down fats in the system, it does what the gall bladder used to do..therefore eliminating extra fat in the system...it has worked for me ..i was 40lbs lighter PRIOR to my surgery and I am slowly getting back to my normal size and back to eating my normal foods, where before taking the salts i was feeling bloated, and HORRIBLE...the vitamins help me get the nutrients i need..w/o the bile salts, my weight would keep creeping up and up..



Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jul 20 2007 11:38:45
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OH..I also take B complex, b12, and b6..one of each in the morning w/ my breakfast..then at lunch and dinner i take a bile salt and b complex..i know it seems like a lot, and you should consult your doc before taking a lot of vitamins..what works for me, may not work for you and could make you sick..so check w/ the doc first.


Reply author: girlsmom
Replied on: Jul 20 2007 22:32:35
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I am meeting with the surgeon on Monday to set a date for my gall bladder to be taken out. I'm so leary after reading the replies on this board but I really have no choice. My gall bladder isn't even functioning. The doctor said it's the worst one he has seen in almost 2 years.

I'm hoping that since it hasn't been working maybe I won't gain a lot of weight after it's removed. Has anyone else had this similar circumstance? I have two girls 17 months apart, the youngest is 9 months so I'm guessing pregnacy was the cause of my problems also.

Girlsmom


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jul 21 2007 21:19:21
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quote:
Originally posted by girlsmom

I am meeting with the surgeon on Monday to set a date for my gall bladder to be taken out. I'm so leary after reading the replies on this board but I really have no choice. My gall bladder isn't even functioning. The doctor said it's the worst one he has seen in almost 2 years.

I'm hoping that since it hasn't been working maybe I won't gain a lot of weight after it's removed. Has anyone else had this similar circumstance? I have two girls 17 months apart, the youngest is 9 months so I'm guessing pregnacy was the cause of my problems also.

Girlsmom





girlsmom, do you have gall stones or is your gall bladder full of sludge? if it only has sludge, try to avoid the surgery for the time being and look up gall bladder flush...i wish i had prior to my surgery..
go to these websites and read up:
http://www.liverdoctor.com/Section4/gallbladder.asp

http://www.naturalhealthtechniques.com/HealingTechniques/LiverGallBladderFlush.htm

http://www.kitchendoctor.com/healthconditions/gallstones/gallbladder.html

if you can put off the surgery for a month and do the flush and if it works for you, then the surgery may not be needed and it will keep you from having more problems as a lot of us have had.
good luck and keep us informed


Reply author: pcollins
Replied on: Jul 22 2007 12:42:54
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quote:
Originally posted by girlsmom

I am meeting with the surgeon on Monday to set a date for my gall bladder to be taken out. I'm so leary after reading the replies on this board but I really have no choice. My gall bladder isn't even functioning. The doctor said it's the worst one he has seen in almost 2 years.

girlsmom,
Go for it.
Follow your doctor's advice.
I never had any ill effects from my Gall Bladder surgery,
nor did my mother, my sister, my friends, or anyone I've ever heard about
...except for the people posting here on these Threads.
Of course you will feel ill for several weeks after surgery,
IT IS MAJOR SURGERY.
Any lasting Negative conditions are the EXCEPTION, and MOST of the complaints on this Forum could be from other unresolved health issues, instead of past surgeries.



Phyllis


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jul 22 2007 14:45:12
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by pcollins

quote:
Originally posted by girlsmom

I am meeting with the surgeon on Monday to set a date for my gall bladder to be taken out. I'm so leary after reading the replies on this board but I really have no choice. My gall bladder isn't even functioning. The doctor said it's the worst one he has seen in almost 2 years.

girlsmom,
Go for it.
Follow your doctor's advice.
I never had any ill effects from my Gall Bladder surgery,
nor did my mother, my sister, my friends, or anyone I've ever heard about
...except for the people posting here on these Threads.
Of course you will feel ill for several weeks after surgery,
IT IS MAJOR SURGERY.
Any lasting Negative conditions are the EXCEPTION, and MOST of the complaints on this Forum could be from other unresolved health issues, instead of past surgeries.



Phyllis



PCOLLINS,just because YOU and people YOU know haven't had problems doesn't mean that problems do not occur...APPARENTLY, people on this forum are having problems, otherwise, this forum would not exist..so giving that most of the people here are having problems and looking for solutions that THE DOCTORS are failing to recognize, I suggest doing homework before having something ripped out of you that DOCTORS are saying is useless (I wish I had)...IF it was useless, we wouldn't have a gall bladder, and if you do your homework, you will find that the gall bladder has use in our bodies, some people have problems w/o it..and MOST of us have NEVER HAD PROBLEMS BEFORE ..ALL of us on here are trying to get answers to something that has changed AFTER the surgery...2 doctors have already told me that it was UNECCESSARY to have my gall bladder removed and a flush may have rectified the problem after seeing the report, where my surgeon and family doctor made it sound LIFE THREATENING..so there you go, who do you believe??? It doesn't hurt to research and try alternative routes..So girlsmom, DO YOUR HOMEWORK, just because pcollins hasn't had problems , doesn't mean you won't, and you may not, however, try an alternative first. AS YOU CAN SEE, A lot of people on here are complaining of the same thing, most of us were very thin before and having weight and digestive problems. Also, if you pull up the websites that I posted, you will find that liver problems can occur after the GB surgery. Educate yourself because it seems to me that a lot of these Doctors are only out for the money by taking a body part that could be saved by proper diet and alternative meds. If your gall bladder doesn't change after alternative meds, then have it taken out. ****note this...most women that were overweight PRIOR to the surgery have lost weight AFTER the surgery..the ones that were thin Prior to the surgery are overweight after the surgery..this has been explained to me...if you were thin prior to the surgery, most likely you you have accumulated SLUDGE this is from low-no fat diets..the gall bladder gets lazy because it has no fats to break down...if you are overweight PRIOR to the surgery, most likely you get the stones, this is from a high fat processed diet red meats, hydrogenated oils etc The extra bile and fats crystalize to cause stones..so after the surgery, most people change their diet and end up losing the weight because the liver has produced MORE bile the entire time...why the ones that were thin prior, gain weight? the liver stops producing as much bile to break down the fats so therefore it turns into sludge and the GB doesn't function properly..hopefully this makes sense and is not too confusing...


Reply author: Lisa D
Replied on: Jul 22 2007 17:36:19
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Hi, I had my gallbladder out a year ago. I had several gallbladder attacks previously and had stones. My father had chronic gallbladder problems for years and ignored it. He is now suffering with a diesease of the bile ducts called primary sclerosing cholangitis which is fatal. He can no longer get his gallbladder out because ever though it is not functioning it is scarred down to the ducts and will rip the ducts if removed. That would kill him instantly. so the bile ducts and stones chronically get infected and it is causing his liver to stop functioning. so I didn't think twice about getting mine out. I have not gained weight but feel that my weight has shifted to my belly and I always feel bloated, gassy and constipated. I am about to try the FAT FLUSH plan because it detoxes your liver and allows you to purify your bile. I will post if it works.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jul 22 2007 23:10:08
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quote:
Originally posted by Lisa D

Hi, I had my gallbladder out a year ago. I had several gallbladder attacks previously and had stones. My father had chronic gallbladder problems for years and ignored it. He is now suffering with a diesease of the bile ducts called primary sclerosing cholangitis which is fatal. He can no longer get his gallbladder out because ever though it is not functioning it is scarred down to the ducts and will rip the ducts if removed. That would kill him instantly. so the bile ducts and stones chronically get infected and it is causing his liver to stop functioning. so I didn't think twice about getting mine out. I have not gained weight but feel that my weight has shifted to my belly and I always feel bloated, gassy and constipated. I am about to try the FAT FLUSH plan because it detoxes your liver and allows you to purify your bile. I will post if it works.



Hi Lisa, of course in a case such as your Father's you should have the GB removed..let us know how the flush works..thanx


Reply author: Cranekc
Replied on: Jul 23 2007 11:11:12
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Hi Guys.

I agree with Echo. Not everyone has problems as we do after their gallbladder is removed, but I would say that 75% do. I was always very small, ate healthy and exercised regularly and never had a problem with my weight. I was enduring a lot of pain for years and then made the decision to have it taken out. NO ONE told me that I would have problems with weight gain, nor did any doctor tell me that I would have to take biles salts for the rest of my life and still deal with weight gain. Now, after 1 year, I have been frustrated, angry, and depressed and spending tons of money trying supplements to help keep my weight down. IF I WOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS BEFORE THE SURGERY, I WOULD HAVE DEALT WITH THE PAIN INSTEAD OF THIS!! SO, PLEASE RESEARCH ABOUT HAVING YOUR GALLBLADDER REMOVED AND THE CONSEQUENCES. THERE ARE SEVERAL SITES ABOUT IT AND ALTERNATIVES SUCH AS FLUSHES TO SAVE YOUR GALLBLADDER.

Ladies, have a great day! Karen


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jul 23 2007 13:01:39
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quote:
Originally posted by Cranekc

Hi Guys.

I agree with Echo. Not everyone has problems as we do after their gallbladder is removed, but I would say that 75% do. I was always very small, ate healthy and exercised regularly and never had a problem with my weight. I was enduring a lot of pain for years and then made the decision to have it taken out. NO ONE told me that I would have problems with weight gain, nor did any doctor tell me that I would have to take biles salts for the rest of my life and still deal with weight gain. Now, after 1 year, I have been frustrated, angry, and depressed and spending tons of money trying supplements to help keep my weight down. IF I WOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS BEFORE THE SURGERY, I WOULD HAVE DEALT WITH THE PAIN INSTEAD OF THIS!! SO, PLEASE RESEARCH ABOUT HAVING YOUR GALLBLADDER REMOVED AND THE CONSEQUENCES. THERE ARE SEVERAL SITES ABOUT IT AND ALTERNATIVES SUCH AS FLUSHES TO SAVE YOUR GALLBLADDER.

Ladies, have a great day! Karen


thanx karen..the problem is the Drs are only out for themselves, if everyone was healthy, they wouldn't have a job. I know that may sound ridiculous, but it's true..their way of buffering their pockets are through prescriptions and unneccessary surgeries..granted, i do not agree w/ ALL NATURAL HEALING, there are some things that need progressive medication. But in this case there are more people complaining of the same symptoms and nothing being done, AND there are a list of problems that occur after the surgery..so if i couldhave done it all over again, i would have opted for a natural healing and would have used the surgery last if all else failed. It's taught me to look into things before allowing someone else to make my decisions..they do not have to live w/ the problems i now have.


Reply author: Cranekc
Replied on: Jul 24 2007 10:10:07
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Has anyone ever tried A-F Betafood or Livaplex by Standard Process? These two look like they would be useful for thinning the bile as well for proper digestion from the liver. Beta Plus has the same main ingredient. I have read that the red beet root is the best for thinning the bile and cleansing the liver, which is needed after gallbladder removed to increase the bile flow for emulsifying fats easier. There are sites about taking the above 2 mentioned with Cholacol after gallbladder removal. There is also talk about another bile salt product by Jarrow - Bile Acids.

Just wanted to pass along that bit of information.

Karen


Reply author: Cranekc
Replied on: Jul 24 2007 10:11:42
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One more thing, those of you thinking about having it removed, I have also read that others taking A-F Betafood by Standard Process were able to resolve their gallbladder issues without surgery. Food for thought. Karen


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jul 24 2007 19:39:43
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quote:
Originally posted by Cranekc

Has anyone ever tried A-F Betafood or Livaplex by Standard Process? These two look like they would be useful for thinning the bile as well for proper digestion from the liver. Beta Plus has the same main ingredient. I have read that the red beet root is the best for thinning the bile and cleansing the liver, which is needed after gallbladder removed to increase the bile flow for emulsifying fats easier. There are sites about taking the above 2 mentioned with Cholacol after gallbladder removal. There is also talk about another bile salt product by Jarrow - Bile Acids.

Just wanted to pass along that bit of information.

Karen



Karen, good info..I was on AF betafood, in fact, I may end up going back on it simply because it's actually very healthy..that was the first thing i went on after my surgery..until I found out about the bile salts..


Reply author: sanjanabharti
Replied on: Jul 27 2007 13:32:46
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quote:
Originally posted by echo

quote:
Originally posted by Cranekc

Echo:

I am curious to know if you have lost anymore weight since your last posting. Also, do you still have to keep a strict diet to keep the weight off while taking the bile salts?

I have been battling the same weight issues for over a year now and have managed to keep it down trying different things, but not consistent. I have ordered the Beta Plus, should receive tomorrow. I was already taking a multi-vitamin. I went out and purchased the flax seed oil capsule, vitamin E and C, and a vitamin B Complex. Did the doctor from the myvits.com site recommend that you take those supplements with Beta Plus? Did he give you any reason as to why it takes over 4 weeks of taking Beta Plus before you start seeing results? Also, you said that you lost 22 lbs in an earlier post - was that gradual or within a few days?

Thanks for your help! Karen



hi Karen, the doc from myvits.com only recommended the Beta Plus because I was already on multi vitamins..the only thing i added (as per my regular doc here in Tampa)was the flax seed oil and the fish oils...it takes awhile w/ every vitamin to gel w/ your system..there is no actual "time" for it to work, i've found that it took 4 weeks for me to "lose weight". This is not a "diet pill" if you eat fatty foods all the time, you will gain weight..this just helps break the fats down as your gall bladder had done prior to the surgery...w/o the bile salts, the weight creeps no matter what you eat. I ate junk for a week because of 4th of July, i gained a couple lbs back..now that i am back to eating healthier, it's coming back off..before bile salts, i dieted to the point of starvation and CONTINUED to gain weight, but now i can actually eat well and once i reach my goal weight, maintain. For an ENTIRE YEAR prior to the salts All I did was gain...so i can tell that they are working and it's a lifetime commitment..as far as the 22lbs, i am now at 23lbs, only one lb but as i said, i put on a couple lbs from pigging out on sweets, chips and alcohol. I've found that I do not have to be on a STRICT diet, just eat normal small portions and stay away from sugar ..limit yourself only once a week if you can't do w/o it.

ALSO!! I know this may sound weird, but, I was having trouble w/ constipation on and off and i believe someone on this forum had the same problem...I bought a bag of dried plums (or prunes) and I eat them first thing in the morning, i have approx. 4-6 prunes EVERY morning and I have been full up until afternoon and have no more bowel problems..i take 1 bile salt caplet even w/ the prunes..and the prunes have helped w/ my sweet tooth

i just hope that what i am doing to get the weight off will help everyone on this forum ..i promised a lot of women on here that if something works for me i will pass it on..a few months ago i was at wits end and looking back at my posts, i almost sounded POSTAL..lol!! But to come back on w/ results is hopefully something that can help others on here. There are a lot of other women at their wits end over this, i can certainly feel for them..just everyone know that if I can do it..all ya'll can do it..just hang in there..and as i had said in one post, maintain your stress level, i never could and then finally i realized what i was doing...i added more stress by hating myself and my body that it didn't matter what i did, i couldn't lose weight....i had to come to the conclusion a few months ago that i can't do anymore and i am who i am and if nobody likes it they can kiss my butt..this is a medical problem and i truly feel that i've found a solution for myself and in time the weight will be completely off..


Reply author: fms74
Replied on: Jul 29 2007 14:10:17
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I am so glad I found this forum. I could not figure out what was happening to me. I had my gall bladder out in Feb. 2005, since then I have gained 20 lbs. I just turned 50 and I have never, ever had problems with my wt. I hadn't changed my eating habits. I am not a junk food eater, I have been exercising w/o any change. I have found this forum very interesting and most encouraging. I ordered Beta Plus last night. I have also read about enzymes and somewhere on this forum there was mentioned Lean Plus by Tattva Herbs. Has anyone tried these 2 to further proper digestion and wt. loss.

Congratulations, Echo on the wt loss. You are encourager.

Thanks.


Reply author: JessicaNRodger
Replied on: Aug 01 2007 21:24:27
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HELLO EVERYONE!

I am so sorry for not getting back to you! The web site I mentioned earlier is www.gallbladderattack.com, I believe I typed it incorrectly the first time. The weight loss kit mentioned that is sold contains the next best thing to having your gall bladder, it helps digest and correctly metabolize the fat, something our gallbladders USED to do.

As I said earlier, there is a mechanism at work here that is not understood by the medical community. My husband (an MD, Emergency Medicine and Family Practice, Board Certified) has even stopped telling his patients that the gallbladder is useless and it doesn't matter if it's there or not. He's stopped telling them that weight loss is associated with removal of it. Seeing my case and hearing about the tons of cases on here has throughly convinced him and has intrigued him to find an answer as to what is happening here. Not only do I have the benefit of having a doctor here with me, but he actually SEES what I eat and what I don't eat, and how I rapidly gained so much weight. I wear Victoria Secret, do photography modeling, and could wear anything I wanted-within 3 weeks of having my gallbladder out, I could barely squeeze into my previous maternity clothes. That's NOT over-eating, there's something else going on, and it happened when my gallbladder was taken out.

The weight loss kit is on the way to me, haven't tried it yet, so yes, I will keep you all posted.

For those of you implying that we all have some disease process at work here that has been undiagnosed-with so many people on this side of it, have you thought that maybe YOU are the one with an undiagnosed problem? Just a theory. The coincidence that ALL of us have other problems contributing to this weight gain, ALL at the same time, and ALL undiagnosed, isn't statistically feasable. Unless you prefer to think that ALL OF US just keep shoving food in our pie holes uncontrollably when our gallbladders went "kaput", we will stick to thinking that maybe we have all caught onto something.

Echo, sounds like you are doing great!

Don't give up everyone. Diet and exercise of course ALWAYS play a role, but just know that the changes brought on in your body are not your fault. The gallbladder has a function, God put it there for a reason. It seems only fitting that something would happen to a body when it's removed. Women who have hysterectomies and lose their ovaries suffer from hot flashes, loss of bone density, have a slight increase in heart disease, hair loss, etc. People who have throid problems and/or partial removal of their thyroid suffer from weight gain, hair loss, increase in cholesterol, dry skin, higher blood glucose, fatigue, etc. How in the world is it so hard to believe that when a GALLBLADDER is removed, there are side effects too???????? Think about it!!

Keep you chin up, gals and guys!

Jessica




Reply author: sickly
Replied on: Aug 01 2007 22:50:40
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More proof? I ordered the Beta Plus bile salts and started taking them on Sunday. I have lost 3 lbs in 3 days, though I will say I have modified my eating and got back into exercising in addition to taking the bile salts.

HOWEVER, let me state before that with diet and exercise and NOT taking the bile salts, I only lost about 1.5 lbs a week. It seemed like it took FOREVER to shed a pound beforehand. Like a previous poster said, the diet and exercise is essential - I cut out things that make me feel bad, like wheat and dairy. Those things always gave me horrible heartburn in the past. But I still eat around 1600 calories a day and 50g of fat - not different from my lifestyle before I had my gallbladder removed.

I also take a b-complex vitamin, flax oil, magnesium, potassium, baby aspirin and calcium chews.

By the way, a friend of mine who is a nurse first clued me in to the gallbladder removal and weight gain tie. I told her it seemed like ever sinceI had my gallbladder out, I couldn't lose weight. She told me that she totally believes that the gallbladder is essential for digesting and metabolizing fats and without it, the fat has one of two places to go: out the colon or stored into more fat reserves.


Reply author: JessicaNRodger
Replied on: Aug 02 2007 21:16:20
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Sickly,

Where did you order these Beta Plus bile salts? I totally agree with you and your nurse friend, the gallbladder is essential for digesting and metabolizing fats, and the only two ways out are the colon or into your fat (adipose) tissue. Congratulations on your weight loss, I so hope it continues for you! Please let me know where you got your bile salts from!

Jessica


Reply author: southern_pearl
Replied on: Aug 03 2007 11:44:57
Message:

Hi I am 23 and I had to have my gall bladder remover 25th of this month while on holiday in Tunisia. I was told the gall stone was stuck and I had an infection so had no choice but to have it removed. I did not have a chance to look up side effects until now, and after finding this site I am extremely worried. I did ask the doctor over in Tunisia about side effects and he did mention that some people have gained weight but he said I would not have to change my diet. He also never mentioned why the weight gain was caused but then he didnt speak much english. The doctor over in uk has said that GB removal does not make you gain weight. But from reading all your posts on here it is obvious it does as so many people have experienced it.

I am going to try the liver cleanser and see how that goes. before op I was 147 pounds, after op I was 126 but have gone up to 140pounds due to finally eating again. My diet has always been quite healthy maybe the odd mcdonalds and dominos pizza now and again but I was always been able to maintain same weight never really gained or lost. Im guessing now I wont be able to ever touch food like that again. Also does anyone on here know where I am able to buy bile salt from as the health shops over here dont have a clue what it is?. maybe some website but im not having much luck on net. Many thanks, hope we can find a way to get through this and find a solution that works.


Reply author: JessicaNRodger
Replied on: Aug 03 2007 11:48:42
Message:

Hey Southern-

Well I found a web site called www.gallbladderattack.com, they sell bile salts and fat metabolizers. There are many different type of bile salts, apparently there is a beta plus bile salt that a few have had luck with on here.

If your local health stores don't carry it, try that web site.

Hope this helps,
Jessica


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Aug 03 2007 15:18:50
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by JessicaNRodger

Hey Southern-

Well I found a web site called www.gallbladderattack.com, they sell bile salts and fat metabolizers. There are many different type of bile salts, apparently there is a beta plus bile salt that a few have had luck with on here.

If your local health stores don't carry it, try that web site.

Hope this helps,
Jessica

Jessica, myvits.com also has the bile salts that i had recommended..they are approx $12..and when you buy more you get a discount..some other info I have found is taking enzymes w/ proteases, lipases amylases, and cellulases...this is what our body lacks and causes weight gain, bloating , etc... if you don'y want to take more supplements, I've noticed a BIG difference especially w/ bloating by eating fruit in the morning, (my dried plums)apple, etc, and eating raw vegetables during the day..raw veggies naturally have these enzymes to help break down fat. Also as soon as you wake up drink a glass of warm water w/ lemon..eat a piece of fruit for a snack, and have whole grain bread w/ turkey and avocado for lunch and eat baby carrots through out the day..at night eat a veggie salad or raw veggies of your choice and piece of meat..since i sometimes don't have time to eat right, i need to find the enzymes..as soon as i do i'll post them...I've lost at least 5 more lbs. from this "way of eating" i don't call it a diet anymore..and I"M FULL!! I continue w/ my vitamins and bile salts which have clearly made the biggest difference..WAY TO GO SICKLY!!! Congrats on the weight loss!!


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Aug 03 2007 16:13:56
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ok, i got the info on the enzymes..they are called DIGEST GOLD...the cheapest i've found is at MYVITANET.COM...120 caps are on sale for $30, where they are $57 everywhere else..this product has all the enzymes to aid in digestion and breaking down of fats and dairy...i just ordered mine, i'll let ya know how it works..the raw veggies have sped up my fat/calorie burning..so i imagine this is just an easier way when raw veggies can't be eaten.


Reply author: tampagal
Replied on: Aug 03 2007 16:20:01
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It has been 5 yrs now since I had emergency surgery to remove my gallbladder, over the years I have learns more about why you have a gallbladder and what it used for.

Now get this

Bile is a product of acid that helps burn up fat when you try to digest fatty food
so when you eat a hamburger and it being processed in the body the bile help your body break down all that fat from when it goes in to the intestine from the body absorbing the fat.

The gallbladder hold bile then releases the bile when the body needs to breakdown fatty foods.

with out a gallbladder your liver releases bile straight in to the intestine, so it not being held,
so after you have a hamburger you liver will start producing bile and it goes straight into your intestine which in some cases you will notice that after eating food you will have 30- 60 min before you have to run to the bathroom and have diarrhea.

Now mind you bile is a bright yellow color (mountain dew looking color)

after my surgery in march of 2002 after I eat a big meal I will have the RUN about 30 mins after eating
the bile is being released in to my intestine and is not being held back to burn the fat so when the food does start going thru the intestine the fat is being absorbed in to my body instead of burned by the bile and processed as waste.

so that’s why I’m gaining weight so fat 5 yrs since the surgery I have gained 50 lbs
and I haven’t found a way to lose it yet but I’m going to see about a drug that stops the absorbing of fat in the intestines

Does this make sense to anyone here?



Reply author: JessicaNRodger
Replied on: Aug 03 2007 16:23:37
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Thanks echo, I so hope it works for you, I'll try it too, seems less than the weight loss kit, but I think I will try that too, just to see.

Tampa girl, yes it all makes sense, that's basically about the same thing we've all been talking about here. The gallbladder has a function that is crucial, and isn't completely understood mechanism-wise.

We all symapathize with your weight gain, we are so sick of it too.

Jessica


Reply author: southern_pearl
Replied on: Aug 04 2007 07:25:10
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Hey Everyone, Could I please ask has anyone experienced the same pain they had before the gall bladder was removed as 10 days after the op I have been experiencing the same pain I had suffered before the op.


Reply author: southern_pearl
Replied on: Aug 04 2007 08:35:33
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Also cos of the pain I went into hospital, and when i mentioned I had ordered bile salts and liver cleanser they looked at me strange, as if to say I do not need any of that. It really annoys me that the doctors think they know everything when they dont. They said again weight gain is not caused by gall bladder removal.

It seems you have to be your own doctor if you want anything sorted. You feel so helpless with this, as there is no one out there that seems to be able to give you advice and help you. I am scared to even eat, I have struggled all my life with weight gain and managed to lose a stone1/2 3yrs ago and up until now have been able to keep it off. But since having my gall bladder removed I just know its going to come back on. I have got some fat metabolisers Im hoping they will aswell. and while back I bought some tablets which help speed up metabolism was wondering if anyone has tried either of these?


Reply author: Shopper
Replied on: Aug 04 2007 10:48:12
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One thing everyone, especially doctors, appears to forget is that medicine is an empirical science. This means the doctors, based on their knowledge, experience, and intuition, make their best guesses on how to help you (considering known risks and benefits). Or, as my brother, a psychiatrist, once said: "There isn't much difference between a witch doctor and a medical doctor."

That said, the doctor has more knowledge and experience than you, and access to better equipment (anyone have a home MRI?) and procedures. However, he doesn't know everything. Your body is unique -- amazing how different the internal workings of two human bodies can be. You have more knowledge of how it reacts and how it feels. You must take responsibility for your own health.

Sounds unfair. We deify our doctors and then find out they don't live up to our expectations.

Listen to your doctor. He has more knowledge of medicine than you. But, if it isn't working for you, don't be afraid to try what has worked for others in your position. If it works, let him know. He may not appreciate it, especially coming from a lay woman, but he might tuck it away in his knowledge base for the next client.

This is getting long, but let me end with my own case. In 1982, I had a herniated disk in my neck. The neurosurgeon wanted to operate -- "a simple procedure." I refused until I had seen an osteopath (OD, not MD). "You will end up completely paralyzed!" Even a good friend, who is a doctor, tried to talk me out of it. I persisted. The osteopath was the first one to tell me that "simple procedure" carried a risk of death. In fact, I think the chances of complete freedom from pain were equal to the chances of death! Five years later, when I carried a heavy PC upstairs, I returned to my orthopod because of neck pain. At that time, he admitted he would not recommend an operation, even though the herniated disk was the same as five years before. I wore a neck brace in the car for over twenty years. Now, I still have that herniated disk, but I am not paralyzed at all and in no pain.

kjd


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Aug 04 2007 11:36:24
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southern pearl, apparently you have had recent surgery? If so, it's normal to be feeling different pains, even like the ones you had before. It's just your body getting used to not having the GB. It's miserable and try not to do a lot for a few weeks..any kind of abdomen surgery is quite serious. So get lots of rest...as far as the doctors, yeah, i had the same problem w/ mine..even my family dr. treated me like i was nuts..they don't believe in vitamins, alternative meds, etc.. if they agreed w/ us, they wouldn't have a job...of course the weight gain is from the GB, otherwise we all wouldn't be on this forum looking for answers..try explaining that to a dr. that thinks he's GOD..the fact that drs need to realize is that NOTHING in our human body is perfect, not all bodies are the same , we all react differently, and i think Shopper summed it up to a tee!
just take your multi, bile salts, and get some enzymes..i listed a website on this forum for the enzymes...i'm losing more weight from a diet i started..i'm never hungry..if anyone is interested this is the jest of what I've been eating:
Morning:
upon rising warm h2o w/ lemon
20 min later fruit smoothie, or any kind of fresh fruit til i'm full
snack:
fresh fruit and vegetable juice
lunch:
2 pieces of whole grain bread, avocado, and turkey
snack:
more fruit and or baby carrots
dinner:
1 cup of raw veggies w/ romaine lettuce, dressing in moderation; steamed veggies and a piece of meat of my choice
dessert:
(if I want) 1/3 c.ice cream, or dark choc
all day long i eat raw baby carrots and drink fresh veggie juice..

after i lose what i want, i'll probably stick to this diet and splurge once a week...

w/ every meal i take the bile salts, and when i get the enzymes, i won't have to worry about obtaining fresh veggies all the time..you just take one enzyme w/ every meal..


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Aug 06 2007 22:47:16
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Hi all. I ordered the gall bladder kit from the site Jessica mentioned. I tried the bile salts included in it for about 3 days and got the most severe heart burn I've ever had in my life. I am waiting on my order for the betaplus salts but will try the rest of the kit once I get the new ones.


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Aug 07 2007 11:02:37
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Hi! I have some good news to share. I have lost 20lbs. I did it by cutting out sugar, rice and bread from my diet, all without the beta plus. I tried the beta plus and felt a little odd so I stopped it after the second day. Last week, the weight loss stopped. I did not loose one lb. I know quite well, I should not be going crazy about this,at this stage, the fact is, I am.I so afraid that I will not maintain the lost even on my diet and start to regain the weight. I had high hopes and was so happy and excited about my weight for the first time in years. The other disappointment is that I am so heavy that hardly anyone has even notice the 20lb lost. Ok, I am being silly about the whole thing, but I thought I should share this, to find out if anyone is feeling the same way.Any suggestions welcome.

I started the bile salts again, It is the third day. This time so far
I seem to be fine.

For those of you who are having heartburns and other digestive issues, remember no cold beverages after meals. Drink hot teas or warm water and lemon after each meal and start your mornings as echo suggested with warm water and lemon. I too,can attest to the fact that it works.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Aug 07 2007 12:27:26
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if you are having heart burn from the bile salts, make sure you only take one w/ each meal, when you get used to it, you can take 2 when you eat something that's hard to digest. I get heart burn every once in awhile, I notice it more when I eat fruit. Hang in there Hoyte, 20lbs is a lot!!


Reply author: sickly
Replied on: Aug 07 2007 18:49:38
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Hi everyone! Sorry it has taken me so long to respond.

Jessica, I got the beta plus from myvits.com. I wanted to try the weight loss kit from gallbladderattack.com, but every time I tried to order, it never seemed to work right.

Echo, I also take the digestive enzymes and it does help. I just got my from WalMart. Mostly I notice that it feels like food does not sit in my stomach as long as it used do. Does anyone else get that with not having a gallbladder? When I take the digestive enzymes, my stomach does not bloat as much.

Like echo, I take a bile salt right after a meal and sometimes two if it's unusually high in fat or carbs. I still think it seems like I have to work much harder than I used to do lose a weight. It can get discouraging, but maybe it just makes it more rewarding, I don't know. I work out 5x a week and count my calories. Before I would only lose about 1.5 lbs. a week, now it seems to have doubled. I will check back in on Friday when I weigh in.

While I do agree that obvious an MD is going to know more about the human body, some of them are just too wrapped up to see otherwise. It's kind of like birth control. I have read hundreds (literally) of stories from women who report being depressed and anxious after going on birth control. They go to their doctors saying they are depressed and anxious, and get put on anti-depressants, when most don't realize that hormonal birth control depletes your B vitamins, which are essential for mood and mental health. When you bring this up to your doctor, again, they look at you like you are nuts and what the heck do you know about modern medicine? I believe the BEST doctors are ones that continue to learn from their patients and don't stick to the hard and fast rules of medicine. Unfortunately, there aren't many out there who subscribe to that belief.

Anyway, the only side effect from the Beta Plus bile salts that I notice is some pretty bad gas, but I'll deal (and so will my husband!!!)


Reply author: mguillotine
Replied on: Aug 08 2007 04:12:46
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I am so glad i found this forum. I had my gallbladder removed in Feb 2006 after having the GI and Surgeon tell me that the other options would not solve my problems, after having 9 hours of pain roughly 4-5 days a week for months i was at wits end, and agreed reluctantly to have the surgery. I had lost roughly 60 lbs previous to the surgery, and right after i continued to maintain a low weight. then one month after the surgery (acutally the day that i had been cleared by the surgeon) i had such horrible abdominal pain that i passed out and busted my forehead open. I had to be rushed to the ER to be stitched up, and they were nervous because my blood pressure was so low and my heart rate was still so high (i was in a lot of pain after all)... so my doctor put me on the cholestyramine, telling me she had heard of those problems post surgery (with lots of pain after meals, diarrhea, etc) but didn't really understand..but heard that cholest. would help. it has helped with those immediate post meal attacks but i still have a lot of pain, bloating, a loudly growling stomach, and in general a lot of discomfort. its not only uncomfortable and depressing but embarassing as well! i also have noticed that i am suddenly packing on pounds despite reducing my calorie intake to under 1000 per day and walking 2 + miles a day and various other light exercise - before this i would have lost at least 2 pounds a week doing this. now i just keep gaining. i've read a lot of these posts and i am thinking about trying some of the remedies you guys have listed. i am just ready to have a nervous breakdown at this point, and i wish that i had some course of action i could take with the doctors for having mislead me - they told me that after the surgery "everything would be back to normal, there would be no noticeable effects, and i would be able to eat as i pleased".... i don't know which is worse now...the horrible gallbladder attacks or this misery! i also am only 22 years old and so i am extremely frustrated that my body is such a mess at such a young age.

i also lost a lot of hair with the surgery, i was told that this happens with anesthesia for many women, but mine has not grown back like they told me it would. my mother was battling with cancer at the time and she lost less hair then i did! did anyone else have this problem??


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Aug 08 2007 06:56:09
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I have been reading this forum every day as I also have the same story - gallbladder removed in Feb. 2006 and have been having a near impossible time losing weight. I have been taking the beta plus supplements for less than a month but haven't really lost much weight, although I seem to be losing some fat not pounds so I'm hoping it's that I am gaining muscle. I have also started a more vigorous exercise routine so can't say if the salts are helping or it's mainly the exercise. Like everyone else, I'm desperate to lose weight and have been trying coconut oil, beta plus, exercise, lots of fruit and veggies.

I have a couple questions. Would we need extra enzymes since the beta plus already has digestive enzymes? I don't want to take more than necessary. And also how many women on here are in the perimenopausal/menopausal age group? I wonder if our hormones may also play a part in the weight gain, especially belly fat?

I certainly don't know the answer, but maybe together we can all find the solution. I think that without a gallbladder, our liver and other organs have to take up the slack, so I think that cleansing the liver and learning how to decongest it would also help to rev up the metabolism. It seems we need to be able to digest the fats, rev up the metabolism and keep our blood sugar stable and finding out how to do this without a gallbladder is what we need to know.


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Aug 08 2007 07:28:07
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What conventional medicine won't dare tell you about gall bladder removal surgery
by Mike Adams

A reader asks, "After having gall bladder surgery three weeks ago, I am having a lot of discomfort, bloating, nausea, and in general, not feeling well. My doctor says it will pass, but it seems to be getting worse. I am a 65-year-old woman. Do you have any advice?"
The first piece of advice I have for people who are considering gall bladder surgery is to get advice before the surgery, not after it, because once you've had the gall bladder removed, your options are quite limited. Remember that conventional medicine loves to go in and remove organs that are presenting symptoms rather than addressing the root cause of the problem in the first place. They think that by removing the organ that hurts, they've cured the problem. Hogwash!

Gall bladder disease and gallstones are almost always the result of poor nutrition. For example: consuming a lot of soft drinks, sugar products, highly acidic foods like red meat and products made with white flour all contribute to the formation of gallstones.

Gallstones can be reversed, but it’s something that takes quite a bit of time. After all, they have been formed in your body over a period of decades, so it's not something you can get rid of overnight from a nutritional standpoint. At the same time, I know that a lot of people are experiencing extreme pain when it comes to passing gall bladder stones. So obviously, those people are looking at surgical procedures as a more immediate technique for getting rid of the pain.

Let's look at some information about gallstones because it is something that affects somewhere around 18 million people in the United States, and maybe even as many as 1 in every 12 people. And yet most people don't know they have them.

According to the National Institutes of Health (NIH), pain from gallstones results in about 800,000 hospitalizations and more than 500,000 operations each year in the United States. Unfortunately, the NIH doesn't give people a lot of information about how to actually avoid gall bladder problems. It's also critical to recognize that the gall bladder has an important function in digestion. And, if you just remove it (which by the way is quite the barbaric thing to do), you are compromising your digestive health for the rest of your life. Surgeons who remove gall bladders are complacent in educating patients about nutritional changes they need to pursue after losing this important digestive organ.

For example, you're not going to get the same quality of digestion you would have had if your gall bladder were in place. You're not going to get the excretion of the bile from the gall bladder into the small intestine, and as a result, you're not going to efficiently digest foods that are moving through your digestive tract. This is especially true for dietary fats, including essential fatty acids.

Without a gall bladder, you're not going to be able to digest dietary fats with any degree of efficiency. This means that if you don't take bile salts as a nutritional supplement every time you eat healthy fats, you'll miss out on all-important omega-3 fatty acids and other healthy oils. That's why people who have had gall bladder removal surgery usually suffer the classic signs of EFA deficiencies: poor nervous system function, irritability, learning difficulties, heart disease, poor blood sugar control, and so on.

Doctors and surgeons flat out aren't telling patients this all-important information. It's downright criminal, if you ask me. This basic education should be required by law. It's flat-out evil to remove an essential organ from a patient's body and neglect to tell them about the long-term adjustments they need to make in order to compensate for that missing organ.

And you know why surgeons don't tell people the truth about gall bladder removal surgery? I suspect it's because if people knew the horrifying nutritional consequences of the procedure, they'd refuse to do it, and surgeons and hospitals would lose out on those paying customers. Talking to a gall bladder surgeon about your gall bladder health is sort of like taking your car to a greasy garage mechanic and asking, "Is there anything wrong with the transmission?" The answer you get is designed to pad his pockets. If you want honest answers on gall bladder pain, go visit a naturopath.

As always, I strongly recommend that people who are considering this surgery look at naturopathic options, because removing a functional organ from your digestive tract is never a health-enhancing solution. It's just something that's too easy for conventional medicine to do. They do hundreds of thousands of these surgeries a year. They don’t consider it a big deal so the patients don’t think it’s a big deal either!

But it really is a big deal. It's sort of like saying, "Well, doctor, my tongue hurts." And the doctor says, "Let's cut out your tongue." In fact, your gall bladder is far more important for digestion than your tongue.

Do everything you can to protect your gall bladder. Along those lines, one of the most important things you need to do is physically massage your internal organs through body movement. A lot of people are surprised to hear this, but your internal organs need to be massaged just like your muscles and skin.

Massage therapy is something that I recommend everyone pursue to enhance his or her health. Massage moves lymph fluid around the body. It stimulates the skin. It even stimulates the brain indirectly and helps create an immunostimulating relaxation response in virtually everyone. The internal organs need this same massage and the very best way to massage these internal organs, such as the gall bladder, is to engage in gentle body movement exercises.

One of the very best you can pursue is Tai Chi. By following the gentle, pivoting movements of Tai Chi, you will massage your liver, gall bladder, pancreas, and even your heart. These organs are not fixed in place. They're not fixed in your body like they are on an anatomy chart. Your organs move around, and they actually benefit from movement just like massaging a limb.

Also along those lines, one of the most important things you need to do is engage in breathing therapy because conscious breathing and deep breathing offers an outstanding massage to all the internal organs in your torso. Your lungs take up a tremendous amount of space in your chest cavity, and when you inhale and really expand your lungs, you are moving the other organs in your cavity and giving them a massage at the same time. Breathing is an excellent way to oxygenate your internal organs and get some movement.

And by the way, your average conventional medicine physician isn’t going to recommend any of this -- nor will he or she even believe any of it. They've never been taught that massage is important for internal organs. In fact, most doctors I know don't think massage is useful at all, which sort of just goes to show you how little they know about how the human body really works! But massage is critical. And of course, so is nutrition. Once again, your best strategy here for your gall bladder is to avoid removing it. Instead, support gall bladder health through diet, nutrition, and physical exercise.

For the reader question in particular, if you've had the gall bladder removed, and you're having a lot of discomfort. What should you do now? I'm sorry to say that these are the predictable side effects of having a gall bladder removed. And chances are your doctor or surgeon probably didn't explain this fully to you. Surgeons have a habit of making everything sound really simple, up until the day you have the procedure done. Then, you start experiencing all sorts of rather serious side effects, and they say, "Oh yeah! That could happen as well."

Hopefully, in this experience, you've learned a lesson. And that lesson is, don’t have body parts removed by overzealous surgeons. I don’t know how to state it any simpler than that. I'm sorry I don’t have a simple solution for you to regain your health after having your gall bladder removed. But the fact is, when you start removing important organs from your body, it is going to have some serious negative consequences -- by the way, bloating and nausea is really only the tip of the iceberg here.

The worst effects are the ones you probably won't feel, that is, impaired digestion for the rest of your life and chronic essential fatty acid deficiencies. In fact, people without gall bladders need to take special care of the foods they consume for the rest of their lives. And above all, they need to avoid all fried foods and any snack foods containing hydrogenated oils or trans fatty acids due to the role of the gall bladder plays in neutralizing excess dietary cholesterol.


http://www.newstarget.com/z007733.html


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Aug 08 2007 10:39:05
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dbon, thanks for the article.The article along with other information that was posted is helping many of us. That is what this forum is all about helping and sharing. I fall in the menopausal group, and have taken that into my weight issue equation as well.

I simply made up my mind to cut all sugar and most carbs out of my diet.No process foods, they have too many unlisted ingredients, that could hinder weight loss. I prepare all my food. It has been working for the most part. I have had a minor set back.I have now added the beta plus and have good expectations from it, because of what I have heard from others in this forum. I have stayed away from the fruits that have higher sugar contents such as, grapes, mangoes, bananas and pineapples. I only drink water and a lot of plain tea no sugar.

Good luck.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Aug 08 2007 12:25:40
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dbon..EXCELLENT info; I knew we weren't going crazy...I almost think that we should all take this to the media and start a class action suit against these so called Dr's that steal our body parts...it's funny how ALL of us were told the same thing by our surgeons and forked out our money for them to take away a body part that we need..this is CRIMINAL!! I really think they need to be held accountable for their selfish actions! AND have their medical liscenses stripped from them. It would have been simple to insist on other alternatives before stripping something from our body, when all else fails, then take it if it will cause more health problems. But my surgeon made it sound like it was only going to get worse and needed IMMEDIATE attention (I had 30% SLUDGE in mine, to which i found out could be flushed AFTER the fact!!)...STUPID ME, for not researching prior..I've certainly learned my lesson!!

As far as enzymes, they play a huge role in fruits and vegetables..I remember when i was young, my mom made me eat TONS of fresh fruit and veggies, we got ice cream every once in awhile..chips were only eaten at parties etc.. but for breakfast it was either oatmeal& fresh fruit, lunch was fresh fruit and a sandwich, dinner we had veggies and meat and salad...i ate raw carrots as a snack..etc.. I WAS THIN MY ENTIRE LIFE until i moved out and started eating on the go, I went back to stay w/ my parents, and again, lost weight, ate VERY healthy, etc. So now I'm trying to get back to that way of eating and by reading, i've learned that lots of FRESH fruit and veggies w/ meat and salad are what keeps the weight off..not these freak diets...of course now that i've rendered my GB to a money hungry Dr, I'll be on bile salts for the rest of my life.
I'm still waiting for Digest Gold to come in the mail, I know that it has ALL the enzymes needed to break down the fats, dairy, and sugars that the body sometimes can't do because of bad nutrition, so along w/ my diet, I'll include the enzymes for extra protection. We will all make it together, screw these selfish Dr's...i think if we all give each other info that works for us, we will all learn to cope and hopefully come up w/ answers to our questions that have been ignored by the medical idiots..i'm not saying that All Dr's are idiots, just the ones that play God and refuse to HEAR cries of help.
If anyone knows how to start a class action suit..I'M IN!!


Reply author: mguillotine
Replied on: Aug 08 2007 13:25:44
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i've seriously thought about a lawsuit, although i fear it won't work. but i think its unfair of doctors to tell you that surgery is the only other option and all other routes are useless. as well as lie, or at the very least give you the uneducated half truth, that you will be perfectly back to normal after surgery. i also read in an article recently that anyone with gallbladder removal is much more susceptible to cancers of the intestines as well... that would have been a nice thing for the GI or the surgeon to mention... right?


Reply author: JessicaNRodger
Replied on: Aug 08 2007 20:19:03
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Hey everyone! :)

Sorry it took me a while to catch up with all your posts, so busy with school starting soon and all! It starts August 16th here, isn't that a tad early?? :) My 9 yr old son is going into 4th, my 6 yr old daughter into 1st, and then of course my two babies are 19 months and 6 months. I don't even have time to breathe it seems like. Maybe it's all this stress from kids everywhere hanging on me that my gallbladder decided to die? HA HA

Anyway, sickly that is bad news that your ordering never worked right. And Mar, that really sucks that you had burn with that kit. May have been coincidence, but may not have been too. Keep up with it, see if it works. Maybe something like over the counter Zantac or Prilosec would help if you took that once a day?

The last person that posted (didn't catch the name sorry!), you mentioned hair loss. Mine is falling out like crazy! Clumps of it, it's just horrible. Started after the surgery. Like so many of you on here, I just had a full work up at the doctor's office, ran every kind of blood test (Thyroid functions such as TSH, T4, free T3, Fasting Insulin, CBC, CMP, DHEA, etc.) I have this feeling that like so many of you all on here too, it will all come back normal, and these symptoms of weight gain and hair loss are both related to the removal of my GB. My husband worked a day shift today in the ER, one of his patients JUST TODAY complained of the same exact symptoms after her GB was taken out that we all are complaining of. There's got to be a correlation. My husband said if he could get a drug company to fund the research, he would do his own studies as to why this happens, and then maybe we would be able to find an answer.

I have decided to do a few things here for me: I am going to do the weight loss kit, and if that gives me heart burn like it did some of you, I'll switch to Beta Plus bile salts. At the same time, I'm going on the Nutrisystem for women. Not only does it claim to have the right glycemic index, it will actually be so easy for me to know what I can eat and just heat it up. With all the kids and our 90 pound golden retriever running around, I'm constantly making food for them, but never have time to eat myself. Liposuction will be happening too, just not sure when. Told my husband to surprise me with it for Christmas or something. HA HA

So do the bile salts really taste nasty??

Ecellent info dbon. It is criminal to be told your GB is useless, then have someone rip it out because they need to make their Mercedes payment. I'm even married to a doc and I say that, because not one person mentioned any side effects of the GB's removal! My own husband even LEARNED in his medical school and residency that it's useless, that's what medical schools are teaching these surgeons! He says he recalls spending a total of about a week on the subject of the GB, isn't that pathetic? I'm not sure how to go about starting a class action suit: is anyone on here an attorney???

Jessica


Reply author: mguillotine
Replied on: Aug 09 2007 01:50:03
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yeah i am wondering if the hair loss has some possible connection to the fact that my body is not digesting nutrients properly as well. everyone says its not a big deal because i had so much hair before- but to me it is a huge deal. i was told if it was the anaesthesia it would grow back after it was out of my system, which i believe should have happened by now... to get fat and lose a ton of my hair has given me a lot of body image issues. its just so frustrating.

so is the consensus here to take bile salts, enzymes, and continue a low calorie high exercise diet, and that will help with weight?


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Aug 09 2007 07:17:15
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I agree with all of you, that this is a shame what we have to go through because we weren't given options or told the truth, and I'd be glad to get on board with a class action suit if someone could get the ball rolling.

The beta plus supplements contain enzymes but maybe it would be better to take bile salts separately and add your own enzymes? Jessica, keep us posted on the weight loss kit. I noticed that it also contains a fat metabolizer which may be helpful in addition to the enzymes and salts. Does anyone get nausea during the night with the beta plus? I've been experiencing mild nausea at night but don't know if it is the beta plus or something else. And has anyone had a bad taste in their mouth since the surgery? About a year after the surgery, I started having a bad taste and have never been able to figure out why.

mguillotine, I've also read that those without gallbladders are more susceptible to colon cancer because of the constant bile dripping from the liver, so that's another issue to address. The liver continues to produce bile and it just constantly drips it into the intestines. The gallbladder would secrete a more concentrated form of bile whenever fat was eaten, so even though we are getting bile into the intestine, we aren't getting the additional secretion from the gallbladder when fat is ingested. At least, that's what I understand. And since our gallbladder is gone, our bodies are out of balance, so finding out out to bring balance through the other organs is needed.

Maybe if we all keep reading, talking, researching, we will come up with answers.


Reply author: sickly
Replied on: Aug 09 2007 11:43:38
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Jessica, if you order the Beta Plus bile salts, they come in tablet form and are easy to swallow. I first made the mistake of ordering the powder form that you are supposed to dissolve in liquid, and they tasted so nasty I couldn't even get down the first capsule. But the tablets are much easier and I don't even taste them when I take them.

Unfortunately, I HAD to have my gallbladder taken out, as one of the stones was stuck in the bile duct and my gallbladder essentially quit working a few days before the surgery. It was necessary, this I can accept, but it sure doesn't make the frustration any less. I just felt like I received so little information about the surgery and what to expect. Like the rest of you, I also got the "you can eat whatever you want and go back to your old lifestyle after the surgery." Ummm...no! It took an entire year for my stomach/digestion to begin acting the least bit normal. It took another year for me to figure out what I could eat and what I could not eat. I never used to have heartburn and indigestion, and now I have GERD and IBS.

If I had known all of these problems and risk factors (like an increase in cancer... great!) were going to happen as a result of having my GB removed, I would have sought other forms of treatment and done surgery as a last resort.

Jessica, good luck with the Nutrisystem! Let us know how your weight loss kit works.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Aug 12 2007 10:43:33
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GOOD NEWS LADIES!!!! I received the Digest Gold in the mail a couple of days ago...I've taken one w/ each meal along w/ the bile salts...I'VE LOST ANOTHER 6 LBS IN 3 DAYS!! My belly is not bloated anymore, and I can't believe the difference in my jeans!! I don't know if the weight loss is from the Digest Gold/bile salt combo, or from my diet (which i have cheated because of my period)..but whatever it is, it's working. I really think it's the Digest Gold, I haven't lost that much weight that quick in A LONG TIME!! I 've been eating TONS Of raw veggies during the day and cheating w/ chocolate for 3 days and it has still worked, WHAT A DIFFERENCE!! I think I've found my remedy Hopefully it will do the same for you guys if you decide to try it...I'm going back on my "diet" Monday..(which doesn't feel like a diet because i'm actually full) and let ya know if i lose more..


Reply author: JessicaNRodger
Replied on: Aug 12 2007 22:42:35
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WOW ECHO!

How fabulous for you sweetheart! That is WONDERFUL news! I am so happy for you, that are losing weight AND feeling better!

So, I am anxious, as I'm sure others on are here: where did you get this Digest Gold and how expensive is it? Are they just tablets? (If you explained this in an earlier post, I missed it, sorry!) Please tell all the info! What bile salts are you using?

Sickly, thanks for the info on the bile salts too, you guys are the best! Us "digestivilly impaired" have to stick together! HA HA

Jessica


Reply author: ceara
Replied on: Aug 13 2007 08:03:24
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Hi, I am experiencing the same problems, I am 26 and had my gall bladder removed in Febuary. The problem is I live in ireland and no one here seems to have heard of beta plus or even bile salts. I have tried ordering online but they only deliver in the US - does anyone know of any other websites I can try and access?


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Aug 13 2007 09:53:04
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That's wonderful news, echo! I've been doing tons of reading on enzymes and have discovered that Garden of Life also makes a really good enzyme supplement called Omega-Zyme™ ULTRA Ultimate Digestive Enzyme Blend. If you go to the site, there's also a comparison chart of enzymes, including Digest Gold.

http://www.gardenoflife.com/detail_qzyme_ultra.shtml

Here's some info:

The ultimate digestive enzyme supplement, supporting gastrointestinal health and digestion through a highly potent, comprehensive formula that delivers higher activity per serving of a broader range of enzymes than other leading enzyme formulas.

Provides 21 different digestive enzymes, each with a specific function to help your body process proteins, carbohydrates, fats, and difficult to digest foods like broccoli, nuts, seeds, beans, and dairy, increasing nutrient availability to the body.*

Delivers a unique blend of digestive enzymes with activity optimized across the full spectrum of pH (acid/alkaline) levels that exist throughout the gastrointestinal tract.

Contains a range of trace minerals, cofactors that activate enzymes and help them function properly in the body.

Includes dairy digestive enzymes (lactase & specific protease) that support dairy product digestion.*

Delivered via UltraZorbe™ 100% vegetarian capsules to ensure potency, eliminate the need for fillers and binders, and provide quick nutrient release through faster dissolution into the body. Independent study suggests UltraZorbe™ capsules dissolve more completely than other vegetarian capsules.

Packaged in the state of the art, BioProtect™ Packaging System which is superior as an oxygen and moisture barrier and sets an industry standard for protecting delicate ingredient integrity and effectiveness throughout shelf life.

Why do you need digestive enzymes?

Enzymes are living catalysts and the key to good digestion. Present in all whole live foods but destroyed by cooking and processing, digestive enzymes break down foods into nutrients your body can readily digest and utilize.

The modern or Standard American Diet (SAD) is lacking in raw foods. Raw foods contain food enzymes that help in the digestive process. Since we do not eat enough raw foods, supplementation is a great way to get the enzymes you need for optimum digestion.

The body produces two types of enzymes - metabolic and digestive. When you eat cooked or processed foods, food enzymes are destroyed, forcing the body to supply all of the needed digestive enzymes.
Proper enzyme activity aids in healthy digestion.

How is Omega-Zyme™ ULTRA different from other digestive enzymes?

Omega-Zyme™ ULTRA is the ultimate high potency, broad spectrum digestive enzyme formula, providing 21 different digestive enzymes specifically selected to digest most of the proteins, fats and carbohydrates of a typical meal.

Omega-Zyme™ ULTRA is a unique enzyme blend with optimized activity across the varying range of pH levels throughout the gastrointestinal tract, enabling the enzymes to survive high stomach acidity to be delivered to the small intestine in their intact and biologically active form for maximum digestive benefit.
Omega-Zyme™ ULTRA is delivered via UltraZorbe™ capsules and is packaged in the BioProtect™ Packaging System.

Who should use Omega-Zyme™ ULTRA?
Omega-Zyme™ ULTRA can be used by anyone who needs or wants digestive enzyme supplementation.

Anyone who wants to maintain normal, healthy digestion can benefit from taking Omega-Zyme™ ULTRA with every meal.*
Omega-Zyme™ ULTRA is a great compliment to Primal Defense® ULTRA. Whenever Primal Defense ULTRA is recommended, Ù-Zyme ULTRA should also be recommended.

Anyone who eats a diet that does not contain enough raw foods can benefit from enzyme supplementation with every meal.


I think I'm going to try these because I was concerned about the enzymes reaching the lower intestine where they are needed to digest the food (or chyme which is what is left after leaving the stomach). I was concerned that the stomach acid would not allow the enzymes to reach the intestine where they are needed, but with these enzymes, they will. Also, there are no bile salts in the enzymes so you would have to supplement separately.

My concern with the beta plus is that the bile salts go into the stomach and I think that is why I felt nauseous at night and I'm not sure if they made it to the intestine where they are needed. They need to be in the intestine to digest fats because bile is secreted into the intestine from the liver/gallbladder, not into the stomach. I'm going to try to find a bile salt that makes it to the intestine and doesn't get destroyed by the stomach acid.

Things are looking better! Let's keep learning.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Aug 13 2007 13:44:48
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THANX GUYS!!!! here is the website:
http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=vitanet&query=digest+gold&x=15&y=10

it's myvitanet.com for the Digest Gold..this is the cheapest I've found for 120 caps..i got mine for $30.50 and free shipping w/ purchase over $50.00 ..on the website it tells you what code to enter to get free shipping, i believe the code was v100, but it has it on the website..they were running a special, now they are $32.49, which is still a lot cheaper than the normal $54-$57
the bile salts i get is beta plus and i get them on myvits.com...hopefully this all helps..please keep me informed, i hope it works for ya'll as well!!


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Aug 14 2007 07:35:50
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I read about this product called fucothin that looks promising. It speeds up the metabolism so it may be worth checking out - http://www.mercola.com:80/products/fucothin


Reply author: Classic-rock
Replied on: Aug 14 2007 09:44:46
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Hi Everyone,
I had my GB removed last Wednesday night, they told me I had no choise and removed it I was back in my room by midnight and they realeased me Thursday morning. I was told eat bland for a few days and then go back to your old diet. They also gave me pain meds and an appointment to follow up in one month. It all happened so fast I didn't have a clue what to do, so I have been reaserching on the net and found you all.I am 54 yrs old have fibromyalgia,have suffered with heartburn and IBS for many years and weight 180 lbs.I do not want to gain any more weight and have been looking for a diet to adhear to that is made for people that have had their GB removed. I live in Canada and have 8 grandchildren my oldest is going to be 16 tomorrow and we are going out for supper so I need to know what not to eat. I'm really tired of Jello and bland food...help.
Echo your supplement sounds too good to be true but I sure will keep an open mind and follow your progress Good Luck
Lorraine
(Classic-rock)


Reply author: southern_pearl
Replied on: Aug 14 2007 17:10:47
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Hey guys, just wondering how long does one have to take the milk thistle(liver detox)for?, is this a permanent thing?. Also someone on here mentioned we are more at risk of cancer of the intestines, is this true?. I think im more worried about that then the gaining weight part.

I have just started taking the bile salts but they are called all-zyme but they have various other ingredients. Just wondering if this is the same thing and if its just as good? I ordered it off amazon.com but its actually from a site called feelgoodnatural.com.


Reply author: southern_pearl
Replied on: Aug 15 2007 18:08:18
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I found this article on the internet about colon cancer thought it might be of interest to you all. As we are more at risk of getting this type of cancer. It says vitamin D can help to prevent it.

http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/G210.htm


Reply author: smiley101
Replied on: Aug 15 2007 23:05:00
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Hi...I have also been having problems with weight gain. My gall bladder was removed in 2003...when I was 19. There were no stones--it just quit working...I was sick for 2-3 months before the Dr's found the problem---by then I had lost about 25 pounds...which seemed great at the time---I began to gain that back a 1.5 yrs later and have gained the 25 PLUS 20 more!!I also am having other bowel problems...very frusterated---I had not linked it the the GB removal before.


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Aug 16 2007 11:18:28
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Found this and thought it might be of help.

Suggestions for living without a gallbladder:

Diet is extremely important. Eat low-fat, high fiber, organic and healthy. Eliminate refined carbohydrates and hydrogenated oils.

Liver Flush - Every four months. People without gallbladders may develop stones in the liver which will lead to a sluggish liver.

Parasite Cleanse - Two times a year. I recommend a six-week course of Paratrex™ then maintenance for 3 weeks.

Digestive Enzymes - Take 3-5 capsules at least 15 minutes before each meal. You will need to take enzymes for the rest of your life in order to digest the good fats (Omega 3) which are essential for good health.

Reduce chemical overload on the liver (pre-packaged food, personal care products, lawn products, perfumes, cosmetics, etc.)

Drink only filtered water - Try to drink 1/2 your body weight in ounces of water every day.

Use a Probiotic - I recommend Latero-Flora or Primal Defense.

Reduce animal intake (meat and dairy) - When consuming animal products make sure they are free-range, organic and hormone-free.

Eliminate white sugar and white flour.

Consume a green drink or pills equal to one-two tablespoons daily. Quantum Greens is a good choice.

Activated Charcoal - Some people have found that this helps with symptoms as it helps to sequester bile acid.

Chinese Bitters (Chinese Gentian with Bupleurum) in the morning and Coptis with Bupleurum at night to stimulate bile flow.

Exercise daily for 30 minutes. Walking is highly suggested.


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Aug 19 2007 07:27:45
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Here's a site that has loads of info pertaining to bile and the gallbladder. http://www.diagnose-me.com/glossary/G534.html

And as far as colon cancer, there are several suggestions listed that may help to prevent it. Vitamin D and calcium are listed, but dairy products are not the best source for these. For Vit. D the best source is good old sunshine, at least 20 min. a day and in the winter, cod liver oil. Calcium can be found in broccoli and other sources.


Reply author: bgazaway
Replied on: Aug 19 2007 11:26:47
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I had GB surgery almost 11 years ago. Almost immediately, I began having some very bad stomach pains. For one week out of every month for the past 11 years, I have these pains. At one point, I had gained 70 pounds since surgery. I have lost 15 of those pounds but I still have a long way to go. I always weighed around 150 before surgery. I dont know if I will ever see that again. If any one has any ideas....keep us posted!


Reply author: LOVEIISWIM
Replied on: Aug 22 2007 10:04:39
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quote:
Originally posted by montrose

Hello,

Almost exactly a year ago, I had my gall bladder removed. Since that time, I have experienced a lot of weight gain that I feel is associated with the surgery. My doctor never advised me about a proper post surgery diet. I am kind of lost at this point. I feel I really need to speak with a doctor, but so far none have been any help.

Can someone suggest the type of professional I should seek out or give me some insight into the type of diet I should be on?

Thank you in advance for all of your help.



I am in the same boat, but I hope to find a solution for all of us!
Did you ever take phentermine prior to your gallbladder removal?
Did you do the Atkins diet or any other high protein diet prior to the gallbladder removal?
I am walking the treadmill and swimming plus eating carefully, I too am trying to shake the 40lbs I gained after my surgery.... it has been a looooong road!


Reply author: JessicaNRodger
Replied on: Aug 22 2007 14:20:43
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So, to the last person who posted, I took phentermine for a long time before my GB was removed. Has anyone else??

I did do Atkins for about a year, took lots of vitamins along with it, but kept weight off and kept me looking good, even though it's not tremendously healthy for you.

Well everyone, I got my lab results back: everything they ran (blood count, metabolic panel, tyroid, cholesterol, etc.) was normal, except one thing: my DHEA level. DHEA is a hormone produced by the adrenal glands that sit on top of the kidneys, it is a precursor hormone to estrogen and testosterone. A woman's level should be between 660 and 995, with it peaking around mid 20's, and falling towards the 30's. A man's level is slightly higher, at 990-1200, with it's peak the same. Guess what mine is? 1,514!!! And I'm 28, mine should be falling, and it's higher than even a man's level should peak at! I am being referred to an endocrinologist. If you google elevated DHEA, you'll find lots of info on it, but high levels can cause weight gain, hair loss, etc. The high level suggests some sort of complex endocrine disorder, something on the hypothalmic/pituitary axis I am told. My appt is in Sept, I will let you know what I find out and what is going to be done.

As I had said in an earlier post, high levels of estrogen can literally fry a GB: not only have I been pregnant 4 times, with two of them happening together within 22 months, but my DHEA level is so sky high. That's the likely reason why I had no stones, but my GB function had completely ceased. -9% was my ejection fraction, even my surgeon hadn't seen one that low.

My cholesterol panel was great though. The "bad" cholesterol should be under 131, mine was 129. The "good" cholesterol that removes fatty deposits from the liver should be around 35, that suggests that you are at a healthy target range. The good cholesterol can be raised by exercising. Guess what mine was??? 61!!!!!! Tell me I don't eat well and exercise my butt off!! Yet the weight still is here....that doesn't make sense. My triglycerdes were great too, under 200 is fabulous, mine was 72!!!

I'm sure there will be more tests, I'll keep everyone posted.

Jessica


Reply author: hthmtt
Replied on: Aug 22 2007 23:58:59
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Hi, I am so glad I found this forum! I had my BG out last Sept and have gained about 30 lbs since my surgery. My dr keeps telling me it has nothing to do with my GB but my lifestyle hasn't changed since the surgery, I eat and exercise the same.

Has anyone tried the Alli weight loss pill? I just bought that today to see if it makes a difference. So far nothing has touched the weight so I'm really hoping this does the trick

I saw that people had good luck with Beta Plus bile salts. Where can you order those? I searched a few pharmacys and vitamin stores and can't find it.

Thanks for all the info. Its great to have a place where we can confirm that we are not crazy.

Heather


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Aug 23 2007 08:46:59
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quote:
Originally posted by hthmtt

Hi, I am so glad I found this forum! I had my BG out last Sept and have gained about 30 lbs since my surgery. My dr keeps telling me it has nothing to do with my GB but my lifestyle hasn't changed since the surgery, I eat and exercise the same.

Has anyone tried the Alli weight loss pill? I just bought that today to see if it makes a difference. So far nothing has touched the weight so I'm really hoping this does the trick

I saw that people had good luck with Beta Plus bile salts. Where can you order those? I searched a few pharmacys and vitamin stores and can't find it.

Thanks for all the info. Its great to have a place where we can confirm that we are not crazy.

Heather



Hi Heather,
You can buy them here https://www.dcnutrition.com/products/Detail.CFM?RecordNumber=212. I used them for awhile but they made me nauseous at night so I discontinued using them. The problem I see with them is if the bile salts are digested in the stomach acid then they don't reach the small intestine which is where bile salts would be provided if we had a gallbladder, so you might want to inquire about that before you purchase them. I think the best solution is to get a good digestive enzyme that has bile acids or salts that are enteric coated so they don't dissolve in the stomach and actually reach the small intestine where they are needed to break down fats.


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Aug 23 2007 08:50:53
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quote:
Originally posted by JessicaNRodger

Well everyone, I got my lab results back: everything they ran (blood count, metabolic panel, tyroid, cholesterol, etc.) was normal, except one thing: my DHEA level. DHEA is a hormone produced by the adrenal glands that sit on top of the kidneys, it is a precursor hormone to estrogen and testosterone. A woman's level should be between 660 and 995, with it peaking around mid 20's, and falling towards the 30's. A man's level is slightly higher, at 990-1200, with it's peak the same. Guess what mine is? 1,514!!! And I'm 28, mine should be falling, and it's higher than even a man's level should peak at! I am being referred to an endocrinologist. If you google elevated DHEA, you'll find lots of info on it, but high levels can cause weight gain, hair loss, etc. The high level suggests some sort of complex endocrine disorder, something on the hypothalmic/pituitary axis I am told. My appt is in Sept, I will let you know what I find out and what is going to be done.

As I had said in an earlier post, high levels of estrogen can literally fry a GB: not only have I been pregnant 4 times, with two of them happening together within 22 months, but my DHEA level is so sky high. That's the likely reason why I had no stones, but my GB function had completely ceased. -9% was my ejection fraction, even my surgeon hadn't seen one that low.

My cholesterol panel was great though. The "bad" cholesterol should be under 131, mine was 129. The "good" cholesterol that removes fatty deposits from the liver should be around 35, that suggests that you are at a healthy target range. The good cholesterol can be raised by exercising. Guess what mine was??? 61!!!!!! Tell me I don't eat well and exercise my butt off!! Yet the weight still is here....that doesn't make sense. My triglycerdes were great too, under 200 is fabulous, mine was 72!!!

I'm sure there will be more tests, I'll keep everyone posted.

Jessica



Do you think your endrocine imbalance is related to the GB removal? I suspect that we may all have imbalances in many areas that are causing problems due to the GB removal. Were your thyroid levels normal?


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Aug 23 2007 11:01:42
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quote:
Originally posted by hthmtt

Hi, I am so glad I found this forum! I had my BG out last Sept and have gained about 30 lbs since my surgery. My dr keeps telling me it has nothing to do with my GB but my lifestyle hasn't changed since the surgery, I eat and exercise the same.

Has anyone tried the Alli weight loss pill? I just bought that today to see if it makes a difference. So far nothing has touched the weight so I'm really hoping this does the trick

I saw that people had good luck with Beta Plus bile salts. Where can you order those? I searched a few pharmacys and vitamin stores and can't find it.

Thanks for all the info. Its great to have a place where we can confirm that we are not crazy.

Heather



I haven't heard good things about Alli but rather that it may make you have leaky bowels. I think it is risky to use. I've started using a fat burner called fucothin. It is natural. Here's some info about it:

fücoTHIN™ is a natural, whole food based supplement that is made with a proprietary concentration of fucoxanthin combined with pomegranate seed oil, for a patent-pending formula that is naturally thermogenic. fücoTHIN™ has been studied by leading scientists for many years and is the only formula that has human clinical research to confirm its thermogenic effect. *


What is fücoTHIN™?


fücoTHIN™ is a natural, whole food based supplement that is made with a proprietary concentration of fucoxanthin combined with pomegranate seed oil, for a patent-pending formula that is naturally thermogenic. fücoTHIN™ has been studied by leading scientists for many years and is the only formula that has human clinical research to confirm its thermogenic effect. *

What is thermogenesis?


Thermogenesis is the process by which the body increases its metabolic rate, requiring utilization of internal stores of energy, such as fat. fücoTHIN™ supports the metabolism or breakdown of fat in white adipose tissue, including belly fat, without stimulating the central nervous system.*¹

What is fucoxanthin?


Fucoxanthin is a carotenoid (like lutein and lycopene), which is a powerful antioxidant that protects cells from free-radical damage.* It is the pigment that gives brown seaweed its characteristic color and also participates in photosynthesis (the conversion of light into energy). It is found in several different types of brown seaweed.

Marine vegetables (edible seaweed) have long been considered among the most nutritious vegetation on Earth, and have been included in the diets of various Asian cultures since ancient times. Epidemiological studies strongly suggest that the consumption of marine vegetables in this population may be a contributing factor to their good health.

Fucoxanthin is the first marine algae-derived ingredient with clinically proven thermogenic effect.* It is also known for its powerful antioxidant effect that protects cells from free radical damage.* fücoTHIN™ contains an all-natural food concentrate of fucoxanthin from specially cultivated strains of brown marine vegetables grown in pristine waters off the Canary Islands.

What are the benefits of pomegranate seed oil?

Pomegranate fruit seeds are the source of an oil that has a unique fatty acid composition. This unusual fatty acid, punicic acid or conjugated linolenic acid, works synergistically with fucoxanthin to support natural thermogenesis.*

Who will benefit from using fücoTHIN™?


Anyone who is seeking to manage body fat and support a healthy metabolic rate while following a balanced diet and a regular exercise regimen.*


Reply author: tokinwhitechic
Replied on: Aug 24 2007 21:55:37
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Wow, thank God I'm not crazy! I had my gallbladder taken out about 3 years ago. I have gained about 60 pounds. Before surgery I didn't eat horribly, but I didn't exactly watch what I ate either. I never had a problem with weight gain before. I have made sure after starting to gain weight to choose a much healthier diet. I eat hardley any sweets (holidays is about it), no soda, chips are rare, fatty meat is a no go, I don't eat fried foods much anymore, and yet I continue to gain weight! I used to eat all of these things before, not in excess or anything, but avoiding them all together should at least help, not hurt! I always knew it had something to do with this since after surgery my digestion has never been the same. I specifically asked my doctor IF i needed to change my diet at all after surgery and was told NO. "You can go back to eating anything and everything you want." I never had gallstones, mine just freaked out for about a month and I though I was dying. It took a really long time for them to figure out what was wrong since there were no stones. Finally after putting some raido-active material into me and watching how my organs work they saw that after a month of spasming and causing me an insane amount of pain, it had pretty much stopped working all together. Which in turn could cause stones in the long run. I would LOVE for some real and good advice on what we can do to fight this weight gain! It has really effected my life in many ways, obviously relationship; self-esteem; physical activities; health issues that come from being overweight; and the always fun jeering you get from immature men. I'm 26 years old, too young to give up, and I know there has to be something we can all do! Please help!


Reply author: tokinwhitechic
Replied on: Aug 24 2007 22:13:12
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quote:
Originally posted by shelly31

just wondering if your doctor mentioned about weight gain symptoms before you got the gallbladder out. Mine didn't , I am getting it out in November, now I am beginning to think maybe I should just opt to get the gallstones removed. Has anyone just got the gallstones removed, my consultant told me that its vile getting them out and they will come back. I didn't ask him why it was vile, just when I heard that they come back I decided to go with the gallbladder surgery. Now I am beginning to wonder if I am doing the right thing, maybe I should give the gallstones removal a go first.

I don't want to have weight gain, I spent the last two years losing 28 pounds and also I have read other side effects of gallbladder removal, diarrhea etc



Good luck! I would say that is a big decision. I have horrible side effects and if I would have know of the possibility I would have looked into other options. I didn't have gallstones, so I don't know anything about the removal of them. If anything you could always try that first, if you are willing to do that and if all else fails go through with the removal surgery later. I have gained 60 pounds and really changed my diet and I just keep gaining weight. As for the diarrhea thing... as embarrasing as it is, I got that side effect too. It is HORRIBLE! Anytime that I eat, with in 20 mins to 45 mins after I START eating I feel like I need to run to the bathroom. There is no helping it either, certain foods will trigger it one time and not another, so there is no avoiding certain things to correct the problem. It just happens with whatever, whenever it wants. Talk about making going out to eat a literal pain in the butt!


Reply author: mguillotine
Replied on: Aug 25 2007 01:35:13
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i went to the doctor about the weight gain problem...they checked my blood levels, specifically thyroid and all is normal. this leads me to believe its my gallbladder. the doctor put me back on topamax - which as i am reading more about it (i was on it just before my gallbladder attacks) is probably what caused the gallbladder problem in the first place, either by the toxicity level of the drug itself or the weight loss it caused. i have decided to follow doctors and go back on it, just hoping it doesn't cause me to lose anymore hair or any of the other side effects...but it is very good at causing weight loss. its actually anti seizure drug, but often prescribed as an anti migraine medication. so... we'll see if that helps me with weight loss. i also asked the doctor about the enzymes and bile salts, and she said that it was certainly worthwhile to try but that some cholesterol drugs can provide the same benefits (and if you have insurance may be cheaper).
as far as alli - its side effects remind me too much of the problems i already have with my stomach, and i am frightened off by all the insane warnings it has - but if it works for you let us know!


Reply author: mguillotine
Replied on: Aug 25 2007 01:40:18
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by the way when i said "gallbladder" i really meant my lack there of... for those of you having a problem with needing to run to the bathroom after you eat there is a cholesterol drug called "cholestyram" it works wonderfully... and as long as i take it and give it time to work... i can eat whatever with almost no problem. my stomach will still hurt, i will still feel bloated and its definitely not a cure all - but its much improved. thats what i was referring to in my previous post as well. since you dont have the bile and such to bind up your food anymore, the stuff in the cholesterol drugs can do it for you (i know... i sound very scientific here) just talk to your doctor about it, and they should be able to give you more info.


Reply author: hannelore
Replied on: Aug 25 2007 14:47:30
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my gallbladder was removed 29 years ago and i suffered from digestive problems (diarrhea, bloating, gas etc etc) nearly every day since then, until i started taking probiotic enzymes ahd a bile supplement about 2 years ago. i can eat everything and have normal digestion. the products that worked best for me are: Probiotic Advantage from Dr. David Williams (www.drdavidwilliams.com) and Cholacol or Cholacol II, made by Standard Process Inc. STandard Process only sells to physicians etc. but you can order the same product via Amazon.com.

lori


Reply author: lauraw
Replied on: Aug 26 2007 18:16:36
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Had my gallbladder out 4 years ago. Have put on approx. 30 lbs. Even when following Weight Watchers and working out regularly I barely lose wt and some weeks gain.

Been reading and have started taking bovine bile salts with meals(Standard Process Cholacol) to help digest fats. Especially the good ones. The theory is you need good fats to lose fat.

It's nice to hear others with similar problems. I thought at 35 I was just getting old and fat. Will try to remember to keep you posted. Also thinking of trying the diet plan from the book Eat Fat, Lose Fat. Has anyone else tried it?


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Aug 27 2007 18:48:38
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Ok guys, I've lost 5 lbs this week..I've only been on Digest Gold for a couple of weeks, and I'm still taking Beta Plus, which is a better product than cholacol, i was on that, I was told to use that when you still have your GB and have stones. Also, i take flaxseed oil w/ every meal..I've lost a total of 26lbs since I started taking the Beta Plus a couple of months ago...and now the Digest Gold is helping me lose it faster...This is something we can stay on for the rest of our lives w/ no harmful side effects like "diet pills"...i will keep ya'll informed..keep your chins up, and i hope ya'll have the same outcome!! Take Care!!


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Aug 28 2007 07:04:17
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That's wonderful, echo! How much flaxseed oil do you take per meal? I've been losing also but I'm not sure which thing I'm doing is helping. I have cut back on fats, even though they are good fats like seeds, nuts, and good oils. That seems to be helping. I know we need some good fats, but I think I was eating too much. I also started taking fucothin, digestive enzymes with bile salts included which are enteric coated and I try to exercise for at least 45 minutes a day. I also use coconut oil. I eat practically no sugar and try not to eat at least 3 hours before bed. I was losing very slowly until I started cutting back on the fats, but I also started taking fucothin around that time, but I suspect it was more the fats that was my problem.


Reply author: hannelore
Replied on: Aug 28 2007 08:44:25
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where can i get Beta Plus, Digest gold, and Fucothin? is it available in health food stores, pharmacies, prescription only?
thanks for your help.

lori


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Aug 28 2007 09:14:08
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hannelore: Fucothin can be purchased through iherb.com and I believe they also have the digest gold. But since you are already taking enzymes, I would think that would be good enough. I tried beta plus and it made me nauseous so it may affect everyone differently. I emailed the company and asked if the ox bile was enteric coated so that it reached the small intestine and they said it wasn't. I'm right now taking ultrazyme by nature's way because the bile salts are enteric coated and they don't make me nauseous. If you search google you should be able to find a site that sells beta plus and I think I may have listed it in an earlier posting.


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Aug 28 2007 09:31:40
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I made a mistake. It is ultra-zyme by Nature's Plus. And one other thing, is be sure a take a good probiotic for the good bacteria!


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Aug 28 2007 13:44:13
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i got BETA PLUS @ myvits.com and and the DIGEST GOLD from myvitanet.com


Reply author: sickly
Replied on: Aug 28 2007 14:03:53
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I thought about Alli, but I already have enough problems with explosive diarrhea!!!

Currently I am taking...

1 Beta Plus bile salt with every meal
2 Multienzyme digestive enzymes with lunch and dinner
B-complex vitamin
1 flax oil capsule with every meal
baby aspirin (for non-related blood clotting disorder)

Here is what I have noticed. When I don't take the Beta Plus and the enzymes, I put on weight like CRAZY. I mean like 4 lbs in a weekend of normal eating. When I do take them, my weight stablizes and/or drops.

Dieting with our condition is so hard. Since I have had my GB removed, I can't eat wheat because it gives me really bad indigestion. However, heart disease runs in my family so I want to eat heart-healthy foods, like whole wheat and grains.

I have noticed something... does anyone ever feel like they have "phatom" gallbladder pain? I relate it to people who lose limbs and say their foot or arm that they lost still itches or hurts. I get this sometimes in the exact same spot where my GB used to be (it's very reminiscent of the pain I experienced with my gallstones). It has been 3 years since I've had it removed but I still get this phantom pain every now and then.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Aug 28 2007 15:28:27
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sickly, i have had "phantom" GB pain..i was told it's normal..how long has it been since you've had it out?? Also, buy the Digest Gold...don't waste your time w/ diet pills, (i was on phentermine and it took 1 month to lose 5 lbs, it's a waste of money)..it takes a while to work, but you will notice a difference especially if you remain on a healthy diet (in 2weeks total I've lost approx 8 lbs)....I take 1 flaxseed,1 digest gold and 1-2 beta plus depending how heavy of a meal i'm eating (pasta, potatoes, etc.)with each meal


Reply author: hannelore
Replied on: Aug 28 2007 16:43:05
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thank you very much. i'll try those, plus the fucothin.

lori


Reply author: debrock
Replied on: Aug 30 2007 13:24:47
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I didn't know which one to replay to since we all seem to have the same problems. This weight thing is driving me crazy. What's sadly funny is tht my surgeon told me that I should probably lose 10 pounds while in for surgery and I gained two. Never in my life did I ever weigh more than 110 and I've managed to gain 14 pounds in the past year while living on less food. I am a person who eats healthfully and exercises every day from biking to walking to weights to pilates. You name it. And I have done nothing but gain weight in the past 1 1/2 years. I am going to try the supplements that some of you have listed. This is very distressing. Add to that the "barely in time" trips that seem to occur often. Interferes dramatically with an active lifestyle especially if you are in the middle of a long bike ride - which I have all but given up because of this post gallbladder issue.


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Aug 30 2007 14:54:07
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I would encourage everyone to focus on your liver especially because stones can still be in the liver even if the gallbladder has been removed, they are called hepatic stones I believe. There are many people who have had a lot of success with flushing their liver. I think that once the liver is strengthened then the weight will come off but the liver has a harder job now without the gallbladder and needs lots of attention. There are liver herbs that can be taken as well such as milk thistle and dandelion. Check out sensiblehealth.com for more information. Liver congestion is very common in those who no longer have a gallbladder.


Reply author: tiredmom
Replied on: Aug 31 2007 00:53:00
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quote:
Originally posted by alli6

i am scheduled for gallbladder removal in 1 week. Should I go ahead with it? Has anyone had a good experience with no weight gain over time???


Reply author: tiredmom
Replied on: Aug 31 2007 01:14:05
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Hello. I had my gall bladder removed shortly after I had my last baby. He will be 2 in February. Haven't had weight problems, but when I eat anything with a lot of dairy in it or hydrogenated oils (like margarine), don't drink 8-10 glasses of water a day, and don't eat about 50% raw fruits and veggies a day, I get hours of pain in my liver - It gets hard and takes hours to release the bile in it. Eventually, my liver fills up again. Is it supposed to take that long to dump the bile? I did a liver flush before I had my gall bladder removed and still got gall bladder pain. When I did this liver flush, literally hundreds of cholesterol stones passed through my bowels. Could it be that my liver bile ducts are clogged and I have to do another flush? Has anyone here ever did the liver flush before? You know with the epsom salts, grapefruit juice, and olive oil? Have you ever taken Shaklee DTX? Could it be that I have to take lecithin and liver detoxing supplements the rest of my life?


Reply author: tiredmom
Replied on: Aug 31 2007 01:36:31
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Thank you dbon for your statement on the extra work that the liver has to do now. I can imagine if our "plumbing" isn't all clear or if those stones get stuck in the liver say like a stone getting stuck in a garden hose, your liver feels like it's going to blow up. This makes sense that you will gain weight. Those fat molecules have no way to break down without that gall bladder's help. I will do another flush this weekend when I know my children are good and tired from school all week and won't get up my crawl. I'm going to the store and getting two gallons of purified water with my name on it (I have 7 children in our home now), one big grapefruit, cold pressed olive oil, and those nasty epsom salts again and do this flush again. I'm not waiting on that stupid doctor appointment next week. I'm tired of cat scans and blood work. My body belongs to me (and my husband), not the doctor. I just ordered my Shaklee DTX (detoxes and strengthens the liver) and lecithin (a fat emulsifier) and will just have to include it in my diet and budget for a couple months to take it everyday until I know my liver is strong. Oh, and I guess I might have to kick the coffee every morning. Please pray for me ladies, as I will be praying for you.


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Aug 31 2007 07:59:36
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Hi tiredmom, I can certainly empathize with your situation. 7 kids, Whew! I had 3 and that kept me tired! Anyway, yes I just did my first flush and it went pretty well. Check out curezone.com. There are tons of liver flush supporters on there and they will answer any questions you might have. On sensiblehealth.com they say you can use salt instead of espsom salts which I might try next time. I think I need lots of flushing. I've been doing everything to help myself lose weight and become healthy but was very apprehensive about doing the flush. Now I'm really glad I did it and expect to keep doing them until I feel "clear." The stones are called intrahepatic stones and they do lodge in the billiary ducts of the liver and they need to be dislodged for the liver to function properly. The stones that are in the gallbladder come from the liver so the liver can still keep making them even without the gallbladder. Now, that's something your doctor won't tell you!

I've been learning a lot reading curezone and I think that those without gallbladders will have to work harder than others to keep their livers up to par. I wish I had known all I would have had to go through before the surgery, but what can you do? I also found that taking the epsom salts with apple juice instead of plain water is so much better. The epsom salt water made me nauseous. Good luck on your flush. Let us know how it goes.


Reply author: Cranekc
Replied on: Sep 03 2007 23:15:32
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Hi Guys:

Please read up on Dr. Sandra Cabot's Livatone and Livatone Plus. After all the research that I have done, I have to come to realize that my gallbladder problem was stemmed from my liver not functioning 100 percent. Doctors fail to tell you any of this. After I had my gallbladder out, I too have fought the same battle of weight gain and have tried everything under the sun. I have started taking Livatone and have started to have positive results. Usually, before Livatone, if I would eat a fatty meal like Lasagna, I would immediately gain 3-4 lbs. Well, after I have been taking this, I went out and ate a heavy meal at a mexican restaurant, which I never do.....and my weight did not change. I do take a digestive enzyme called Prolipamy (Digest Gold that Echo mentions is a good one as well. I have just found Prolipamy to work for me better) and a bile salt made my nutricology w/ my meals as well. Livatone also has fiber in it which is imperative to move the fats and toxins through your bowels. I do also take Renew Life organic triple fiber at night and in the morning (2 in morning and 2 at night). This is a very good product because it doesn't "swell". If you do not have a high fiber intake, the fat and toxins are circulated through your liver and it will not function properly, which, in turn, your body starts storing fat. Livatone has given me the balance that I need to keep my liver healthy and also to keep my digestive system right on track. I hope this helps some of you. Good Luck!


Reply author: gal4enviro
Replied on: Sep 07 2007 12:49:36
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I too had my gall bladder out about 3 months ago and have been experiencing weight gain since then. I don't eat fatty or greasy foods anymore because I was told I wouldn't be able to process fat readily anymore. But even avoiding grease and fats hasn't helped. I have been walking at lunch and eating right and I continue to pack on weight. Isn't there some diet that has been proven to work for people who have gone through this such that we don't have obesity to deal with next?


Reply author: MisterEd
Replied on: Sep 13 2007 14:59:57
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I had gall bladder surgery about four years ago. And for several years now, I have had a swollen belly, hard to the touch, and it was never there before even though I never connected the swelling and bloating to the gall baladder. I have been to the doctor's office so many multiple times to discuss, and never once has my doctor ever even hinted at the gall bladder as being a contributor to this issue. I have gone to medical practices all over this state and out of state, since I am highly stressed by this onset of unusual change to my physical structurte and being, and never has anyone discussed gall bladder concerns. My weight will shift 5-10 pounds in a week (almost always UPWARD), sometimes drastic shifts of 4-7 overnight even, and the belly remains bloated. Never does it go down. I work out daily with a competitive bodybuilder and am in incredible physical condition. My dietary habits are highly compliant with all healthy recommendations. Still, the bloating continues and the weight shifts dramatically. Among my efforts to address this problem, I have gone on restrictive calorie liquid protein diets (and gain and bloat), I walk 20-25 miles per week (and gain and bloat) drink over 100 ounces of water daily (and gain and bloat) and drink apple cider vinegar with "mother" (and gain and bloat). I have just found this forum, and feel as though I have met many new friends who seem to remarkably have the same issues and concerns! I immediately ordered and received the Beta Plus, Digest Gold and fucothin. I would truly love to communicate with those of you who have included these supplements in your dietary routines. Male with an AARP card.


Reply author: emblue
Replied on: Sep 17 2007 17:16:06
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I'm a 23 year old female and have always been slightly overweight (I'm 5'6 and a size 12). I had my gall bladder out in May '07 after about 3 years of attacks. At first I only got attacks once every 3-4 months and always right before my period. Then it started to increase until the week right before my surgery I was in constant pain and popping the vicodin my doctor had issued me like they were candy. The strange thing is I had the exact opposite problem than most people who have had their gall bladders out. I gained a lot of weight right before my surgery and am now losing weight no matter what I do. I would say I've lost about 20 pounds since, and if anything my eating habits have become a bit worse, but it may just be the fact that I can eat meat and dairy (protein, basically) now where in the past they triggered the attacks. I'm not sure if it was the fact that it was a hereditary thing rather than poor health that caused my gall bladder disease. After having it removed I didn't develop any complications besides the weight loss. I was wondering if anyone else had had the same result?


Reply author: RLK
Replied on: Sep 19 2007 00:00:38
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I had my gallbladder removed on August 2, 2007. I was told that I got gallstones from having children. I had a baby in May 2007 and the pain began just before he was born. My doctor did not tell me that there were other options besides removal. I was told that due to the frequency and severity of my attacks that my gallbladder was scarred too badly to recover.

I was not told of the long-term effects this surgery may have. I was told that the only side effect I could have would be diarrhea for 3 months.

I do not have the diarrhea, I have the opposite problem...hard time going. I don't seem to have the bloating, gas etc. as some describe, although I do seem to have the weight gain. I was a little overweight before my surgery from just having a baby. I have gained about 10 pounds since my surgery.

Until I came across this site I had never heard of bile salts and supplements etc. I had no idea that my digestion could be affected or that there are certain dietary restrictions. If anyone knows of a good website which can explain all this in further detail I would love to know. Also, if anyone else experienced what I have now and then got worse etc. please let me know.

thanks!


Reply author: JessicaNRodger
Replied on: Sep 19 2007 22:05:49
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Hello everyone!

Took me a while to catch up on everyone's posts, sorry it's been a while since I posted. Let me fill you all in:

At my last post, I had told you all I was being referred to an endocrinologist because of my DHEA level being so high. (I went to my primary care doctor, just to talk to her about this weight gain and hair loss, just to see if it's related to my GB removal or what!) My DHEA level came back double what it should have been. DHEA is a hormone, produced in the adrenal glands, that sit on top of the kidneys. Anyway, I went to the endocrinologist, and this is what she had to say.

Her name is Dr. Berg, very nice lady. My appt took about an hour and half, bunch of questions, lots of exams. This is what she can gather so from all my lab results and my symptoms:

1) She thinks I probably have post partum hypothyroiditis. Basically, from having so many children, and so close together, my thyroid is inflamed. She said my thyroid is about 20% bigger than it should be. She said it's also cyclic-it goes from hypo, to hyper, to normal, and back over again. She said this is really hard to tell for sure if I do have this, because it's not a clear cut diagnosis. But this apparently is just a coincidental finding, it's not causing my acute symptoms of the weight gain around my middle and my hair loss.

2) My DHEA is 50% higher than it should be, she says she hasn't ever really seen a DHEA level so high. (Figures, huh?) She thought at first that maybe I have PCOS (Poly cystic ovarian syndrome, because it can cause weight gain and hair loss. However, she has ruled that out because my pelvic ultrasound showed no cysts on my ovaries, and she says I don't have the body type for PCOS. Apparently, women who have PCOS are shaped like apples, bigger around the middle with no waist. Anyway, she thinks I more than likely have a tumor. The question is WHERE it is, it could be in my adrenal glands that sit on top of my kidneys, or it could be in my pituitary gland in my brain.

I have to have lots of tests run. Two sets of blood tests, for a bunch of things I have never even heard of, and a test called a Dexamethazone Overnight Suppression test. I take a steroid pill at 11:00 pm and have my blood drawn at 8:00 am the next morning, no big deal.

After these are done, I will probably need an adrenal CT scan and a pituitary MRI.

SO-this is what I know for now. She isn't saying it HAS to be a tumor, but she can't think of anything else that would cause my symptoms and a DHEA level to be so high. So, right now, we wait to see what tests say. My next appt with her is October 1st.

As soon as I find out more, I will let you all know. I don't think this is a result of my GB removal, we believe that because the DHEA level is so high, it caused my GB to quit functioning.

Talk to you all soon,
Jessica


Reply author: Cranekc
Replied on: Sep 19 2007 22:32:24
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Hi Guys:

I think I have found the solution for those of you gaining weight after gallbladder removal. After trying MANY supplements, spending tons of money, and much research, I have found what works for me. After I had my gallbladder removed over 2 years ago, I have had nothing but digestive problems including chronic constipation and constant weight gain. I have found that the root of my problem before my gallbladder removed was my liver. My liver was sluggish and not producing bile like it should. Part of the reason is because I have always been on a very low carb/calorie diet before my gallbladder was removed. Therefore, my liver had no need to produce much bile. When my gallbladder was removed, my liver was still producing a small amount. Your gallbladder stores a more concentrated bile that digests fats much easier. My result after removed? Less bile, less concentrated bile, no lubrication to my colon which resulted in constipation and fat being stored because there was no place for it to go - GAIN WEIGHT. I found Sandra Cabot's Livatone Plus along with MSM with Vitamin C, and Fibertone (all made by Sandra Cabot). Very vital for those of you with the same problems. I have been taking Renew Life OilSmart capsules (1 in morning and 1 at night)...this has lubrication abilities plus lipase enzyme in it. So, in the morning I take 1 Pearl (probiotic), 1 OilSmart and 2 Livatone Plus. I then drink my Fibertone with water (make sure you drink at least 6 - 8 8oz glasses of water throughout the day between meals. With my meals, I take 1 Digest Gold and 1 Doctor's Best Betaine HCL, Pepsin & Genetian Bitters (that is 1 capsule with all 3 ingredients). The Livatone Plus helped my liver to start producing tons of bile where I do not need to take the bile salts anymore. This stuff is amazing. I am able to eat anything now without worrying about gaining 3-4 pounds every meal. Those of you who are having diarreah, just take the Fibertone. Your stool is yellow because your liver is producing so much bile and it is passing through your colon too quickly. Fibertone slows down the digesting process to absorb all of the fats. I am now back down to 115 lbs (where I was before the surgery). And I have only been using Sandra Cabot's products for 2 weeks. You will need to take a digestive enzyme (Digest Gold) and the Doctor's Best product I mentioned with your meals. The Doctor's Best product was mentioned to me when I went to a Health Food store. A gentlemen there told me that this helps with the digestion of food before it reaches the colon and relieves the bloating. It is a wonderful product. I was also introduced to a new detoxification that they do at the store. Please read about it. I started going once a month to detoxify my body. It is about Ionic Water Detoxification. You put your feet in Ionized Water for 30 minutes and it pulls out all of the toxins out of your body to help your organs function more smoothly. I was skeptical at first, but the way I felt afterwards was AMAZING! I had so much energy and felt the best I have in years. It is definitely something else to look into. I hope that this information will help some of you. It has certainly helped me. I feel your frustration because I have been there myself. Good luck everyone, and I will stay in touch with my progress. Karen


Reply author: debrock
Replied on: Sep 20 2007 14:39:05
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Karen, sounds like great information and I'm going to order this stuff today. Two questions, though. Are you saying that the Livatone and the MSM should not be taken for someone who is experiencing the diahrea - just the Fibertone? All else should be taken: Digest Gold, Doctor's Best, Pearl, OilSmart?

Thanks for clarifying, I want to do this right and am hoping that this is at long last the solution.


Reply author: JessicaNRodger
Replied on: Sep 20 2007 16:21:24
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Karen,

That's wonderful news, how great for you!! I have printed out your post, going to buy all the stuff you suggested, as long as it all clears with my endocrinologist. So how much weight have you lost total on all this? Before the last two weeks, had you lost any weight before, or was this current weight loss all in the last two weeks??

Congratulations, again!

Jessica


Reply author: mel_he
Replied on: Sep 24 2007 19:01:46
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~~Question~~

Like most of you, I had my gallbladder out. It's been out since March 29, 2007. I've been having pain (not severe but annoying) where my gallbladder was off and on since then. The past week or so it's been constant. Any ideas? Not sure if I need to be on a lower fat diet like right after surgery, or if I should go back to doctor. Any help would be most appreciated! :-)


Reply author: renasbug
Replied on: Sep 25 2007 19:57:22
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quote:
Originally posted by emblue

I'm a 23 year old female and have always been slightly overweight (I'm 5'6 and a size 12). I had my gall bladder out in May '07 after about 3 years of attacks. At first I only got attacks once every 3-4 months and always right before my period. Then it started to increase until the week right before my surgery I was in constant pain and popping the vicodin my doctor had issued me like they were candy. The strange thing is I had the exact opposite problem than most people who have had their gall bladders out. I gained a lot of weight right before my surgery and am now losing weight no matter what I do. I would say I've lost about 20 pounds since, and if anything my eating habits have become a bit worse, but it may just be the fact that I can eat meat and dairy (protein, basically) now where in the past they triggered the attacks. I'm not sure if it was the fact that it was a hereditary thing rather than poor health that caused my gall bladder disease. After having it removed I didn't develop any complications besides the weight loss. I was wondering if anyone else had had the same result?


Reply author: Tishsm
Replied on: Sep 28 2007 11:26:22
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I'm having my gall bladder removed Oct 4, 2007. After reading the notes from this forum, I don't know if this is the right thing to do. I had one surgery already they made small incision in my bile duct which afterwards I ended up with pancreatist for 7 horrible days. But you all are still having pains, gaining weight, can't eat a normal diet, exercise is not working, and you have to take supplements!! I thinking about doing the flush and keeping my gall bladder. I only have attacks after I consume fatty foods every 2 to 3 months. Any thoughts to help me out I have 6 days Left!!!!!


Reply author: JessicaNRodger
Replied on: Sep 28 2007 12:30:28
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Tishsm,

There is a web site called www.gallbladderattack.com

It features loads of information on alternatives to surgery, when you should have your gallbladder out, flushes and detoxifications that may help you keep your gallbladder, rather than have surgery. Check it out.


Reply author: Shopper
Replied on: Sep 28 2007 12:42:17
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Tina,

I have been visiting this forum and others for some time. Everyone is different. For some people, having their gall bladder out was the answer to prayers. All their bad symptoms disappeared, they had no weight problems, and they are happy with the results. For others, especially the ones on this forum, having their gall bladder out has been a nightmare. You've read the posts, so you know what I mean.

You are a unique individual. Nobody knows how you will react. If I were you, and I had a doctor I could communicate with, I would print out this messages on this forum and take them to the doctor. I'd also come armed with a list of questions based on what I'd read on the forum. I'd ask for answers. (If you cannot talk with your doctor, try to find one you can talk with.)

If the doctor pooh-poohs your concerns, I'd look for a new doctor. If the doctor treats them with respect and admits we don't know everything, that there are no guarantees, I'd listen to that doctor. I'd make sure the doctor will be available to help me if there are complications or difficulties after the surgery. Or make sure the doctor can refer me to someone who can help. I'd work with that doctor and trust him or her.

kjd


Reply author: JessicaNRodger
Replied on: Sep 28 2007 13:41:09
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Tishsm,

I agree with the previous post, lots of good points. However, getting to see the specialist you need to see may prove to be difficult. The gallbladder is generally accepted as "useless" in the medical community, by surgeons and even by Family Practice doctors. You need to see a Digestive Specialist, or a GI doctor. With your complaints, your doctor shouldn't hestitate to refer you on (depending on your insurance). There are teams of physicians that specialize in digestive difficulty, all through the United States, you may even have to end up that route. Also, depending on what is wrong with your gallbladder, you may no other option than surgery, most usually do not have any other option but to have it removed. Even with the info at the website I gave on my previous post, always talk to your doctor before starting any pills or regime.

You might find that the best route is to have your gallbladder out (depending on if you have stones and what your ejection fraction is on your HIDA scan) and then talking to a digestive specialist or GI doctor that can get you the right medicines to take once your GB has been removed.


Reply author: Tishsm
Replied on: Sep 30 2007 21:20:48
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Thanks for all the replies,
After posting this message I had a GB attack and I'm ready to have it removed. Please pray for me Thanks


Reply author: mikesmom
Replied on: Oct 05 2007 14:51:55
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Thank you to everyone who has posted here. Esp. Bdon & Echo. My son just had his GB removed and is not getting medical advice he needs. NOT a supprise to us is it.
SO I printed out lots of your advice and am going to mail it, AFTER a long call to him this weekend.


Reply author: karyn
Replied on: Oct 11 2007 18:14:27
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I had my gallbladder removed 4 years ago, and I had gallbladder pains since I was 12 I am now 28, when I was younger my doctor told me I was having anxiety attack. boy was he wrong. Well I went from a small size 98lbs to 175 since my gallbladder was removed. I have done everything, when I was 130 lbs I knew something was wrong when I disscussed it with my doctor (same one that said I had anxiety) he told me well stop eating so much, but I wasn't eating alot at all but everytime I got on the scale the pounds keep adding up. I started reading this sight about 2 mths ago, And I feel like you guys were angels sent to me. I started the beta Salt and 4 weeks later I had lost 9 lbs thats the first time I have lost any weight since my surgery. Thank you. But my question is that when taking the MSM can you still take the beta salts. I am glad I lost but I have been at a stand still for 2 weeks so I want to try more.


Reply author: kristina
Replied on: Oct 12 2007 18:06:44
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quote:
Originally posted by Lainii

Hello,

I had my gallbladder removed in May of 04', 1 month after my wedding, I was 23yrs old. At that time I weighed 120 lbs. Now nearly 2 years later I weigh 147 and am still gaining (rather rapidly as of late). I have not altered my diet. I started having medical problems around age 18, I was diagnosed w/Endermetriosis along with IBS, Gastritis, and Acid Reflux. So since age 18 I have maintained the same diet i.e. no fried foods, no mayonaise, no red meat, no spicy food, and only lactose free dairy. Due to the endermetriosis, I had to start taking Depo Prevera at age 18. From age 18-23 (5 years) I had maintained the same 120 lbs. Then BAM I have this gallbladder surgury and now I can not stop gaining weight. I've tried eating less, but to no avail. Meanwhile my husband can scarf down endless cheeseburgers and piles of fries and lose weight. The weight gain is causing me to be depressed, and now I have a negative self image at 25yrs old. My doctor tells me there is no correlation, but after 7years in and out of hospitals and several misdiagnosis, I've come to discover that doctors don't always know what they are talking about, and that often they just want to prescribe you the newest thing on the market, rather than listening to your problems. So I encourage all of you to do your own research. I've heard that Chinese medicine offers some alternatives, but I myself have yet to try it. Right now I am doing my own searching. I will keep you posted if I find a solution that works.



Reply author: kristina
Replied on: Oct 12 2007 18:53:17
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If you are on Depo still I would highly suspect that as part of your cause for weight gain. The longer you are on it, the more likely it will cause a gain. I was on it for seven years (averaged a 12 pound gain per year -- 130 when I started the injections to 215 7 years later and most of the gain occurred in the first two years went up to 175 by the second year.) and as soon as I went off my weight dropped significantly. I went from 215 to 185 within three months. Really had no change in my diet, anyhow, not that was noticeable to me or DH. Shortly after that I needed gall bladder surgery. I've had no problems with weight gain since the surgery. Not saying in your case it wasn't the surgery, but it's something to consider.

Here is something from planned parenthood about Depo:


Weight changes may occur due to increased appetite. Average weight gain is 3 pounds by the end of the 1st year and 5 to 7 pounds, total, by the end of the 2nd year.

* 33.5% of women on Depo-Provera gain weight
* 20% of women on Depo-Provera lose weight
* 10% of women on Depo-Provera have no change in their weight.

(interesting these numbers don't add up to 100%, even more to think about is that these studies were done by the people who make Depo, as most drug testing is done by the manufacturer - a story for another time.)

Also to note if you are getting it for endometriosis you are probably getting a higher dose of it than for those who use it for BC. I used to work in a Reproductive Endocrinology office. You could check with your doctor. It states it's from being hungry, but I'm not in total agreement with that. I noticed that with my pregnancies I would gain a lot of weight (10 pounds both times) before I even knew I was pregnant. So I think that for me I'm sensitive to progesterone.

The entire reason for me quitting Depo is because my Cholesterol level had been rising and the doctor told me flat out that she felt it had to do with the Depo. I decided not to get my next injection.

I had suspected that I had gall bladder disease for about 15 years previous to my surgery (pre depo). I couldn't eat eggs, bacon or I'd have burps that smelled like rotten eggs and I would feel very ill if I ate fat. They could never find any stones and I was thin (120 pounds). Back in that day and age they didn't have function scans. So nothing was done. I was on an extremely low fat diet.

Shortly after stopping Depo and losing all that weight I started having bad attacks and they finally saw that I had developed stones. My cholesterol is normal now that I'm off depo even though I have a much higher fat diet. I had the diarrhea when I ate high fat meals for about a year after my gall bladder was removed, but now I can eat anything I want. I had my surgery in 2003 a month before my wedding... that was fun.

Something else to note is that they only suggest you use Depo for two years now and no more than that. Part of it is that it can deplete the calcium in your bones. I also suspect that it is the reason that it took me 2+ years to become pregnant. Lots of other ladies I met on Fertility Friend who had been long term users of Depo have had or are still having problems with this. Many of us had miscarriages as well. I had very irregular periods after I went off of it. It took over a year to even get a normal menstrual cycle back because I wasn't even ovulating.

Sorry for such a long post, but just wanted to explain everything, so you could have information to consider.


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Originally posted by Lainii

Hello,

I had my gallbladder removed in May of 04', 1 month after my wedding, I was 23yrs old. At that time I weighed 120 lbs. Now nearly 2 years later I weigh 147 and am still gaining (rather rapidly as of late). I have not altered my diet. I started having medical problems around age 18, I was diagnosed w/Endermetriosis along with IBS, Gastritis, and Acid Reflux. So since age 18 I have maintained the same diet i.e. no fried foods, no mayonaise, no red meat, no spicy food, and only lactose free dairy. Due to the endermetriosis, I had to start taking Depo Prevera at age 18. From age 18-23 (5 years) I had maintained the same 120 lbs. Then BAM I have this gallbladder surgury and now I can not stop gaining weight. I've tried eating less, but to no avail. Meanwhile my husband can scarf down endless cheeseburgers and piles of fries and lose weight. The weight gain is causing me to be depressed, and now I have a negative self image at 25yrs old. My doctor tells me there is no correlation, but after 7years in and out of hospitals and several misdiagnosis, I've come to discover that doctors don't always know what they are talking about, and that often they just want to prescribe you the newest thing on the market, rather than listening to your problems. So I encourage all of you to do your own research. I've heard that Chinese medicine offers some alternatives, but I myself have yet to try it. Right now I am doing my own searching. I will keep you posted if I find a solution that works.



Reply author: kristina
Replied on: Oct 12 2007 22:29:59
Message:

Wanted to point out to those who are thinking about surgery to discuss with your doctor if you are at risk for a gall bladder eruption. If you have gall bladder disease and get a sudden fever with the pain get to the ER. They can become infected and blow up just like your appendix. Also, you could have pancreatitis like some of the folks here have if a stone gets stuck in the ducts. It's always good to get second opinion.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Oct 13 2007 10:28:39
Message:

Hello All,

I haven't had my gall bladder removed but I've been working out with someone who has had all of the symptoms and problems that most of you are describing. I have known and worked with this man for a few decades now...he's always been fit and trim, good diet & exercise, you know...does everything right. Since his gall bladder surgery in 2003, he has steadily put on water weight in his stomach just as all of you describe. Being my best friend, I really wanted to help this guy, so let me tell you what we did:

1. Constant and consistent Diets: Good Diets, Different Diets, Drinking lots of water, Sensible Diets, Medically Supervised Liquid Diets...he even dieted to the point of risking starvation (600-800 calories per day for a 250 lb. man who had been consistently 185-190 lbs for all of his life (50+ yrs) until about 6 months or so after having his gall bladder removed.

2. Restricting substances: No refined sugars, no caffiene, no alcohol, no desserts of any kind, no sodas, absolutely NO junk food at all, ever.

3. Walking: We set our alarms at 5 AM and walked 3 miles every morning before work. We did this for about 2 years.

4. Lifting Weights: We lifted wieghts vigorously 3 times per week and covered every single muscle group, including hiring a personal trainer to ensure our breathing & form were as perfect as possible. We've been doing this for about 4 years now. (His legs, arms, back, shoulders, chest, and abs are ROCK SOLID MUSCLE!) His continuing problem is the "basketball of water" riding on top of his muscled abs.

5. Cardio: Circuit training, stretches, etc... regularly.

6. Doctors: Every doctor specialist imaginable. Every test known to them. Weight specialist galore, including the OPTIFAST Medically supervised Diet (North Carolina), and other weight specialist (Pennsylvania). Generalist & specialist...Indocrenologists (spelling?), you name it!

7. Holistic: Lymphatic Massage, and others I can't recall at the moment.

8. Research: This is where I happened upon this website, and this thread in particular. I Emailed it to Mr.Ed (who then registered & posted here).

Since finding this thread, Ed has felt as though he finally discovered the answer to a mystery that has been dogging him for YEARS!!! And I would have to agree. Any yet, I noticed that even here (in another thread) amoung others who are also looking for help, one voice from a particular prolific poster made the following statement as a suggestion:

"I think there should be an additional section (besides diseases) labeled Gall Bladder problems, because so many people seem facinated with that issue, and then they could keep their comments just on that one area, and I could avoid it entirely. I (and many many people I know personally) had successful gall surgery with no residual problems, and I have little or no patience with people who blame all their health problems on it."

That comment just about brought me to tears. That someone who posts so much in these forums would make such implications. That was a few weeks ago. Now, I have more sympathy for the person who wrote that. But I do want to say to everyone else who is suffering or dealing with problems controlling your weight, and you KNOW BEYOND ANY DOUBT that it is directly related to having your gall bladder removed. DO NOT ALLOW COMMENTS SUCH AS QUOTED ABOVE TO KEEP YOU DOWN!!!! If that person wants to avoid you and your problems and accuse you of "blaming your problems" on something...well then, she can stop opening up the thread and reading it for heaven sakes!

Now, back to the problem & possible solution. I should give credit to someone who posted on one of the many prior pages of this thread. He or she said essentially, that you need to rethink and reconsider your relationship to the world in terms of things that you consume and you may need to through many assumptions out the window. You will need to start your own food experiments and take good notes and share them with people here.

Based on this, I have worked with Mr. Ed to develop a food scale. The scale ranges from 1 > 5. 1=foods that are safe and do not cause bloating and can be eaten in larger quantities, and 5=foods that cause bloating and water weight gain.

Every food starts as a "3", meaning we don't know whether it is safe or causes bloating. If he consumes it and it doesn't cause bloating or weight gain he moves it to category "2" which means he thinks it might be safe. If it is consumed and it causes bloating then it is moved to category "4" meaning he thinks it may not be a safe food. Further experiments will confirm whether or not the food needs to be moved to category 1 or 5, or remain a 2 or 4.

So far, the following foods are confirmed for Ed:

1. Safe to eat: potatoes, oat meal, hamburger meat (including double cheeseburgers & fries from Sonic Drive Thru)
2. Think it may be safe to eat: Yogurt, cheeses, macaroni & cheese
3. Unknown: Everything else that can be eated
4. Think it may cause bloating: apples, broccoli, foods high in fiber
5. ANYTHING with corn: Corn causes significant and major bloating, including anything that contains "corn syrup, corn solid, corn oil, canola, etc..." Lettuce; this is the biggest irony of all. Ed spent years eating mostly salads...now he knows beyond a doubt that everytime he eats lettuce he bloats.

Dear Folks, Someone needs to contact Sanjay Gupta or someone who can bring this issue to light. It is real and you are reading this then you probably know it too. And you can bet that you folks are only the very tip of the iceburg. Imagine all the people out there walking around with those swollen bellies, frustrated, not understanding why they simply cannot get rid of that "basketball of water". It breaks my heart.

Stick together folks. Keep this thread alive, or consider starting your own web page. I urge you to continue sharing with one another what works and what doesn't work in terms of getting this bloating under control.

Warmest and Sincerest regards to all of you who are working through this....


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Oct 13 2007 16:42:00
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It seems we are unable to edit our posting here, and I suppose that is a good thing.

In case my previous post wasn't clear enough, I wanted to make sure that everyone understood that the diets/exercise/consultations with doctore/etc.. did not work for Ed. Like so many of you folks, he struggled for years, and is still struggling with getting this most peculiar bloating under control. Unfortunately, every doctor he has seen has been of NO HELP to him at all. All the dieting in the world has been of no help at all and he could exercise all day every day and it would not make his bloating go away.

Reading through these pages, I know many of you can understand this very, very well. And I bear 4 years of witness to how painful this can be for you.

If you find something that works for more than a few weeks, specifically, if you find something that you believe will eliminate this most unusual bloating, and most importantly, KEEP it under control, then please share it.

It saddens me that doctors seem so unable to help patients with these problems and it saddens me more that most all of them just leave it at that....meaning, they leave patients to suffer and just treat the conditions that they already know how to treat. Why does it seem as though so many doctors today are "script writers"?

(I usually post without proof reading, so please forgive misspells, grammar mistakes, etc., thanks)


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Oct 13 2007 17:12:59
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j.Allen, I applaud you!! thanx for your thread!! It does help knowing that we are not losing our mind..i have been struggling for almost a year 1/2. i lost approx. 25lbs and recently just gained 10lbs back. I've been on bile salts and enzymes and have done EVERYTHING right...it keeps biting me in the butt, no matter what I do. I have lost in my butt however, my belly area goes up and down like a yo yo. All I have to do is eat something like an orange and my whole body will change over night. DOCTORS WON"T LISTEN, SOME ARE TOO IGNORANT AND POMPOUS, that's the PROBLEM.
Maybe if ALL of us print these threads out and maybe even take it to the media, something will be done..I seriously believe we should all start a class action suit against some of these organ thieves that lack understanding of the human body..it disgusts me to know that we can't even trust doctors..*****If ANY of ya'll know of an attorney that can look into this, please let us all know..it's time that we all put a stop to this unneccessary operation. Had i been told that I could do a flush , that would have been my option..now I'm stuck w/ constant pain, weight gain, possibility of liver problems, etc.. I truly believe that if we can stop someone else from going through this, that's one less victim of these organ thieves. As far as the idiot that stated:
"I think there should be an additional section (besides diseases) labeled Gall Bladder problems, because so many people seem facinated with that issue, and then they could keep their comments just on that one area, and I could avoid it entirely. I (and many many people I know personally) had successful gall surgery with no residual problems, and I have little or no patience with people who blame all their health problems on it."
as you can see, it's plain ignorance to make such a statement...it's another jerk that had no problems and can't understand others..they have the "all about me" syndrome and lack commom sense..I will never let an idiot such as that bring me down...I will continue to experiment and I will continue posting in hopes that we can all be helped in one way or another...if nobody else can come up w/ a solution, we as a united forum certainly will one way or another...


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Oct 13 2007 19:06:38
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And thank you ehco.

I understand how you feel when you mention a class action law suit, and I wouldn't know how to begin or if you would even stand a chance against such a powerful industry. I don't know much about gall bladder surgery, and I couldn't say whether or not it is justified or not in all cases...whether or not it can be avoided in some cases, and whether or not it cannot be avoided in other cases. I'll leave all that to others with more knowledge, energy, and expertise.

However, I do strongly believe that a more urgent need is to get a grip on this insidious and constant bloating you guys are experiencing. May I ask you a question concerning your diet? Are you eating corn products (including corn oil/derivitives, corn syrups or solids, etc..)? How about lettuces & other leafy or fibrousy green vegatables? Do these things cause you to bloat? If you were to eat only, say, oatmeal, hamburger meat, & potatoes for a day (strictly avoiding any corn products or vegatable/fruit fiber) would you still experience bloating? The reason I ask is that Ed has found by eating these things he doesn't bloat and his weight goes down (ever so slowly).

Sometimes you have to look carefully for these things & read labels. For example, I just learned today that Miracle Whip contains corn syrup and Real Mayonaise does not. Anything else you discover regarding the effects of individual foods you eat, we are all ears!

Regarding the person who is sick & tired of being exposed to people with problems she doesn't have herself. I can't say that he or she is a jerk (i wouldn't want to attack this individual personally) however, I will respond to what that person says and what was said was very selfish, thoughtless, and unkind. That's about all I'll say about that.

Thank you again for helping echo. I still think someone should Email or contact Sanjay Gupta regarding this seemingly unusual medical situation. I have a hunch it's much larger that you (we) think!

Cheers!


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Oct 14 2007 08:05:07
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Hi j.Allen,
Thanks for all the insight. I have, like so many others, tried a smorgasbord of remedies to help myself. I believe that all of us have to take our health into our own hands and not leave the outcome up to ignorant doctors. They only know what they've been taught in medical school and that is primarily to cut things out or write prescriptions for the big pharma companies (which they get kickbacks from at our expense). So if you can try holistic doctors, you may have a better chance at getting a handle on things.

I plan to go to a holistic doctor soon and see if I can get some tests run. I believe that losing a gallbladder makes your entire system imbalanced and affects every part of you. The dilemma is finding a way to rebalance your body without a gallbladder and that will take using supplements, strict diets, increased exercise, etc.

I have managed to lose about 20 pounds but I've done so many different things that I'm not sure which thing actually helped the most. I increased exercise, eliminated all white sugar, take digestive enzymes, fucothin, coconut oil and mostly eat fresh organic fruits and vegetables. I've also tried tonalin CLA.

I want to lose another 20 pounds and am planning on doing a second liver flush because I believe we really need to focus on our liver and strenghthen it since it has to pull double duty.

Anyway, it is a journey that we must take to find answers and prayer is also important!


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Oct 14 2007 10:50:16
Message:

dbon, echo (and others)

I COMPLETELY understand your anger. Believe me! Echo, you referred to the prolific poster here who is obviously "sick and tire" of you blaming your problems on your gall bladder surgery as an idiot. And dbon, you refer to the doctor who are unable to help you as ignorant people bent on cutting us up and getting rich from writing prescriptions. Thing is, you guys may be right. I don't really know. I do know I've been selfish and said thoughtless and unkind things before, so I'm willing to give the prolific poster who made that appalling remark the benefit of a doubt (I still stand by my words and will hold others responsible for their words). As for the "ignorant doctors" ...well, I'll cut them less slack, but good grief, when did they set the bar so low for this profession???

Is it possible that this thread is getting too large? Do you think it might be a good idea to start a dedicated website for people with these problems to help each other and perhaps reach even more people who might be suffering from these and other symptoms after having had their gall bladders removed?


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Oct 14 2007 12:12:58
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Okay folks, I did it! I sent Email to Dr. Sanjay Gupta (copy below). I don't know if it will do any good or not, in terms of bringing this problem to light and getting any answers, or if it will even help at all.

Having watched a close friend unsuccessfully battle this bloat since 2003...I can't just stand by and watch anymore. And I URGE you folks to rally yourselves together and help one another. I don't know anything about starting a website, I'm not very technical at all, but I would be willing to contribute whatever I can if I can help or assist anyone get the ball rolling on this. Would someone be willing or know someone who would be willing to get a dedicated website going to help people who are struggling with managing symptoms as a result of having their gall bladders removed from their body? How much would something like this cost? I'm not rolling in money, but I would certainly be willing to help, and I know Ed (MisterEd) would also be willing to help out.

Thoughts? (I have my Email contact enabled)

Here's the Letter to Dr. Sanjay Gutpta:

Dr. Gupta,

Please have someone look into contacting people who are ignored by the medical community when they find themselves unable to control severe and insidious bloating and water weight gain after having their gall bladders removed. I personally know of someone who has been dieting strictly and exercising like a maniac since 2003 and has a nearly constant "basketball of water" on top of his abdomen that diet & exercise simply will not help. Doctors continue to tell this man to "burn more calories than consumed". Imagine a 250 lb man gaining several pounds overnight after consuming carrots and celery. This is no joke. Take a look at this thread in the forums at dietpower.com (i think this is the link: http://forums.dietpower.com/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=3 ) This thread is on fire, and I suspect this is only the tip of the iceberg.

Please help these folks!


(again, I post without proof reading...if i use a wrong word, bad grammar, etc...please overlook it, thanks)


Reply author: debrock
Replied on: Oct 15 2007 10:02:34
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I, too, am going to a holistic doctor - starting this evening in fact. I started taking the fibertone a few weeks ago and while things are still not as they should be, they are improving. This doctor also specializes in allergies and I believe that the removal of the gallbladder has magnified my food allergies. I went to a "regular" doctor two weeks ago and she looked at me as if I had two heads when I told her the steps I was taking, that I blamed my weight gain on the gallbladder removal and would be seeking out the help of a holistic doctor who would hopefully understand my problem. Her pat response was that "this never happens to people after gallbladder removal, we should send you for tests to make sure your thyroid is under control". I will not be going back to her. I'm hoping for success . . . . I will let everyone know how this progresses.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Oct 15 2007 16:50:12
Message:

debrock..that's always the situation, the doctors always look at us as if we have two heads...i suggest they go back to school and redo their anatomy classes...the money has gotten to their heads and it's hard to find a decent doctor these days...i was doing so well and out of the blue started gaining in my mid section, it's disgusting!! what has the fibertone done?? i know that if it wasn't for the bile salts and enzymes, i'd be TWICE the size i am now..i'm just tired of feeling like my body is morphing every second of the day...i'm a health freak and can not and will not live w/o my veggies, so that's not an option for me...i haven't gained much back, but in two days i lose it and two days later i gain it back..i have managed to keep my weight down w/ the exception of the lingering yo-yo 5-10lbs up and down..maybe the fibertone will work w/ the enzymes and bile salts???


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Oct 15 2007 20:27:18
Message:

Would appreciate hearing more about this Fibertone debrock (and echo, if you end up trying it too).

When you say things are improving, do you mean that you're feeling less bloated since you started taking it, or lost any weight since you started taking it, or both?

Have you made any other dietary changes that might also account for this improvement? I would imagine it might be difficult sometimes to be able to isolate one particular thing and attribute changes to it (correlation & causation & all that).

Ed has been on an extremely bland diet this past week, and also taking the bile salts. He's also continuing to work out with a personal trainer 4 days a week and walking each day. He thinks he's less bloated this week and has been sloooooowly dropping some water weight .2 lbs/.6 lbs (can you imagine a man that currently weight 238 lbs being happy with losing .2 lbs, it boggles my mind)..he actually dropped one lb last night and is hoping for another drop in weight which will make 4 nights in a row! I garantee you if he were to eat anything with corn or corn products (including popcorn) or eat a salad, he would go UP in weight overnight and be bloated first thing in the morning. It happens every time without fail. Corn or Green salad equals weight gain for him. Isn't that bizzare? I mean, lettuce for heaven sakes!!!

Please keep everyone informed about your ongoing experience & evaluation of this Fibertone!


Reply author: debrock
Replied on: Oct 16 2007 10:23:15
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J rock and echo, I forgot to mention an important point. In addition to the Fibertone, I have also been taking the Ultrazyme for 1 1/2 months. I'm adding things gradually but the two together is even better than the Ultrazyme alone. This week I plan on adding some kind of probiotics. I did meet with the holistic doc last evening and he has verified what I think I already knew. Because of the loss of the gallbladder my allergies have been magnified - maybe there are others who will also fall in this category. I have NOT given up any of my fruits or veggies throughout all of this (and won't either - like you echo) and happily the only thing from that category I'm allergic to bananas. Wheat is off the charts as are yellow dye, cinnamon, peppermint, paprika, msg, shellfish and aspartame. I'm hoping that with the removal (most of the time) of those items that I can decrease the symptoms even further. You'll hear from me as this progresses. Deb G


Reply author: debrock
Replied on: Oct 16 2007 10:27:33
Message:

I forgot to add this . . . . the bloating has definitely gone down "most of the time". I hit some foods that are still not cooperating but workinig on it. I'm a health nut also and spend at least 4 mornings a week at the gym in addition to biking, hiking, kayaking, etc. etc. on the weekends. I'm hoping that once I'm on the fibertone a few more weeks that the weight will start dropping a bit. In the meantime, the clothes are fitting noticeably better aroudn my midsection and someone who had no idea what I've been going through asking me if I had lost weight. The scale says the same, but I guess the bloated look is lessening.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Oct 16 2007 13:08:03
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by debrock

...Wheat is off the charts as are yellow dye, cinnamon, peppermint, paprika, msg, shellfish and aspartame. I'm hoping that with the removal (most of the time) of those items that I can decrease the symptoms even further. You'll hear from me as this progresses. Deb G



Hi Deb,

When you say that Wheat and the other items are off the charts, are you saying that you notice a reaction (bloating and/or weight gain) after you've consumed them? What exactly would happen if, say, you consumed a peice of cinnamon toast? Would that differ in any way from consuming shell fish? Did you get yourself tested for allergies & find that you are allergic to those items or did you discover this through experimentation. Ed mentioned a few weeks ago that he had an severe bloating reaction immediately after consuming wheat pasta. He then went for testing to see if he was perhaps allergic to wheat or wheat products and they informed him that he was not allergic to wheat?

Thanks for sharing Deb!


Reply author: debrock
Replied on: Oct 16 2007 13:28:37
Message:

J Allen, I thought that I might be allergic because of the bloating, hives, and diahrea but was hoping I was wrong. The only one that surprised me was the shellfish. Wheat and bananas were causing the most extreme bloating out of the bunch.


Reply author: mlr
Replied on: Oct 18 2007 15:11:01
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I just found this forum today - thanks to my sister. I have been battling weight gain since my gall bladder removal in 1991. I think I am LOSING the battle - I have gained 35 lbs since 1991 (when I had my surgery)

I appreciated the info about the liver cleanse - although the idea of messing with my liver scares me. How difficult is the liver cleanse and do I need to stay 'close to home' while doing this? Don't want any ill effects to happen at work! This has been a discouraging time for me - since I never weighed more than 110 lbs in my life unless pregnant!

mlr


Reply author: lulujames
Replied on: Oct 19 2007 23:42:28
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I had my gallbladder removed 5 months ago and I have been losing weight every since. I have lost 15 pounds so far and the scale keeps declining. I do have some trouble with digesting fatty foods, but that is about it.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Oct 20 2007 06:37:19
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lulujames..i'm curious, were you overweight BEFORE the surgery? and did you have stones or sludge?? the reason i'm asking is i've noticed a pattern, most of us that were thin PRIOR to the surgery, are battling weight gain and we only had sludge in the GB, those that were overweight prior had severe stones and are now losing weight. Sludge in the GB is caused by a low fat diet, the bile builds up because the GB quits working due to the lack of fats to break down...from what i understand, too much fatty foods cause the stones...and most likely that person is overweight. There is a reason for all this madness and I'm determined to find this!! LOL!!


Reply author: mlr
Replied on: Oct 21 2007 09:31:32
Message:

Echo,
I have found what is called Beta Plus 90T on Amazon for about $13

Is this the same thing? There is NO description or ingredients list on Amazon for the product. It also is 180 tablets. I will assume that if it is 'too good to be true' then it probably is NOT what you are taking.

The word steroid has me concerned. Can you tell me if I need to be?
thanks,

mlr


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Oct 21 2007 22:18:26
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MLR, I would go through myvits.com for the Beta plus..it has ox bile extract,pancrelipase, beet concentrate, superoxide dismutase, catalase...other ingredients are cellulose, stearic acid, and food glaze...and yes, anything w/ steroids are not good..causes weight gain..hopefully you're not mistaken "stearic acid" for "steroid"??


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Oct 21 2007 22:57:12
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echo you always give excellent advise. You are the voice of reason on this site. I have not posted for awhile. I have had some success to date I have taken off 30 lbs and hope to continue. What I have done as I have previously posted, is to restrict carbs and sugar. I lost a little over 20lbs and hit a dead end. After much thought I introduced a little sugar and carbs in my diet for a week or so. I maintained my weight, then I begin the restricted process again. I quickly begin to loose again, I tricked my body into reacting to the switch. I also introduced a lot of cabbage and tomatoes into my diet using the cabbage soup diet concept, that the more the cabbage you eat the more weight you loose.Cabbage, tomato, apples, lemon,grapefruit, limes, beets, and prunes are all natural fat burners. I personally have not had any digestive problems with the foods I have mention. My diet is drab and repeative,but you know how desperate an overweight persons as myself wants to find something that works. It feels so good to wear, clothes I have not worn in years or hear someone I have not seen in sometime ask, what programme am I on.

All of you, please keep your fingers cross for me to continue to succeed. I am hoping this post will help someone else who wants to try a more modify form of the diet and see if it works for them.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Oct 22 2007 16:56:48
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HOYTE!!!!! See? I told ya it would happen!!! YEA!!! And thanx for the compliments!! I just want EVERYONE to get back to normal, I'm in the same boat and need advice and alternatives from others as well. The cabbage diet is EXCELLENT!! I did it to lose 10 lbs when I used to body sculpt..I have dreaded it ever since, but I think I might do it again...You know, I quit eating my prunes in the morning and I noticed 5lbs of weight gain in 2 weeks...I went to the doctor and I'm battling female problems at the moment so the additional 5-10lbs he said is water...And Hoyte, you are VERY smart for alternating your sugars..it does shock the body..My friend was on the b12 shots and 500cal. diet, she lost about 40lbs in 3 months but quit losing and gained 5 lost 5 etc.. I told her to take a spoon full of sugar and she did, the following week she had lost 6lbs...I AM SOOOO HAPPY FOR YOU!!! Please keep us all informed!! and thanx again!!!


Reply author: catsbully
Replied on: Oct 23 2007 20:04:13
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I had my gall bladder removed laproscopically september 2006 since then I have gained 25 plus pounds almost everything I eat causes either extreme gas or extreme diarehia. Anyone had these symtoms? I cannot eat anything poultry but after avoiding pork most of my life because of my gall bladder it seems to be the only meat I can eat. Fatty foods do not necessarily cause any reaction but I could eat a bowl of rice (plain white) and be in agony!


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Oct 28 2007 09:31:46
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It's been a pretty bad week for Ed.

He gained an additional 13 pounds of water weight in the past 7 days.

He's bloated.

We worked out with a personal trainer 4 times last week, and this guy really put us through the paces...we were the hardest working folks in the gym.

He ate a reasonable diet. He did not consume enough calories to gain any weight at all, and yet consumed enough to make sure he was not risking putting his body in the starvation mode.

His doctors say they can find nothing wrong with him.

Certain people on this forum say he's "blaming his problems on his gall bladder surgery".

He's willing to consider any other possibility other than gall bladder surgery. He has an open mind and is open to any possibility.

He's taking bile salts and followed recommendations that others have suggested throughout these 38 pages, yet his weight goes up and he remains bloated nearly all the time.

I repeat: he is working out, he is exercising, he is burning calories, and he is eating a sensible diet and taking no medications except vitamins and bile salts and some other nutritional supplement suggested in the large thread.

Have any of you found any LONG TERM SOLUTIONS to this insidious and unrelenting bloating? Are any of you aware of any doctor/research scientist anywhere who is willing to help solve this problem for you guys?

Have any of you given up and accepted that being bloated is now a way of life?

Please help if you can. Any other suggestions? Any at all?


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Oct 28 2007 22:06:13
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j.allen....i wish there was something to remedy this situation...unfortunately, we are all looking for a remedy and once we think we find something, the bloat comes back..it's very frustrating..i gain and lose 5-10 every week and can't seem to lose all my weight..doctors need to get more involved and consider this problem a true problem and quit blaming the weight gain on our diet. I diet every single day and can't get down to my normal size prior to the surgery.


Reply author: mlr
Replied on: Oct 28 2007 22:41:06
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I have found that I have MUCH LESS bloat if I eat a high protein, low fat and low carb diet. If I eat carbs - they are in the form of vegetables. I avoid anything white (bread, pasta, potatoes, rice). Eat lots of low fat proteins, legumes in moderation and bright veggies. I eat some whole fruit, NO juices.

I have lost 3 lbs. in ten days (I am walking and riding a recumbent bike and working a little with hand weights.

Last week I had a colonic and will have two more. ( I lost the 3 lbs. BEFORE having the colonic) I am also doing a general cleanse from the technician. The colonic helped with the bloating quite a bit. No sure if it will be temporary or not. But, I thought perhaps it would all help in some way. They have a liver cleanse that I may try later one. I have not tried Bile Salts yet.

I just wanted to say that if I eat carbs - in the form of cereal, bread, pasta, potatoes, rice (even fruits) I notice bloating IMMEDIATELY. So, I have found that I can live without them. I still eat fruit early in the day. I snack on nuts and low fat cheese.

Trying the high protein, low fat and carb diet just may help others. I take my vitamins faithfully as well.



mlr


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Oct 29 2007 13:18:17
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Thanks echo & mlr. I agree that doctors should do more. Maybe I'm naive, but I'm astounded that doctors so easily and calously disregard patients such as you and all the others here. I have the impression they dismiss patients who don't fall into categories they know how to treat or those that don't respond to the aresenal of medications they use. It seems very very wrong to me that a doctor would dismiss a suffering patient. It seems morally wrong to me.

In Ed's case last week, he would have to have consumed over 45 thousand calories (and not exersized at all) to gain 13 pounds! I know for certain he's not gaining fat, rather he's retaining water. If you were able to look at him you would know immediately that he is retaining water in his stomach or rather small intestine...it is that obvious. It is also obvious he is a very strong man otherwise (he works out religiously).

Common sense might seem to suggest this problem that you guys are experiencing has something to do with what you are eating and/or also what you may not be eating. Yes? No? Maybe? Not necessarily? Other thoughts?

mlr, I wish you luck, and believe me I wouldn't want to discourage you, but your post reminds me so much of Ed...who also did the colonics as you are planning. In his case, it didn't help, but I do hope you are able to find some relief.

I read the following on a different forum (I did not write this, I'm just copy/pasting it fyi). Any thoughts about this? [I've deleted the diet they are referring to, (didn't want to violate any terms of service rules?)]

[answering a question about a predominantly meat diet]

How it works

1. Your gallbladder makes bile.

2. Bile digests fats.

3. Before you had your gallbladder out your gallbladder, when stimulated by eating fat would squirt out exact needed amount of bile to digest the fat and fats were digested easily.

4. You had your gallbladder out.

SO WHAT? WELL...

5. Now bile doesn't come out of it when you eat fat. Instead bile drips continuously and slowly from your pancreas all day.
Instead of only getting the right amount of bile when you eat, like before, you have a steady running thin stream of this in your system all the time.

6. Fat absorbs bile.

7. Bile is an irritant to your system if you don't eat enough fat to absorb it.

OKAY - BUT HOW DOES THIS AFFECT ME? :

8. BUT if you eat too much fat in a meal you don't have enough bile in your system NOW to absorb it and the extra fat reaches your intestines and rushes right through you. Diahrea!

9. So now you now what there is to know about how the gallbladder works, where and how you are getting bile from now, where the bile is in your system (smaller amount of bile there all the time) the role of bile and how eating not enough fat or too much fat will result with you.

FINE. HOW SHOULD I COPE?

10. Well, I've found that a MODERATE fat [meat] diet/meaning SOME NOT LOTS OF fat with protein at smaller more frequent meals works for me and many other people who do [the meat diet] with no gallbladder.

Get it? Yes, [meat diet] with no gallbladder = diahrea. Just cut your fat down to less than EXCESSive fat and the diahrea will stop. Or don't and just enjoy the diahrea (no fun!!!).

Hope this was helpful.
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SUMMARY:
Too little fat = too much bile in your system it constantly trickles from your pancreas now/not good for you - causes IBS or IBD or spastic colon/bile is an irritant, you might get ani puritis (look it up) or just a sore rear exit area (you know what I mean)...if this happens, up your fat and use desitin "there".

WAY Too MUCH fat = diarhea / you ate more fat than your bile can absorb and whoosh, the fat rushes food right through you (along with other nutrients!). If this happens eat less fat, even a little less will help - don't cut out fat you need SOME to absorb the bile you DO have in your system!!! And hey, use the Desitin "back there" until it's over - save your skin!
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The key is to find a balance. I've found it with [the meat diet], but moderate fats. This does not mean that you have to give up bacon or butter or mayo - it does mean eat NORMAL not excessive amounts. Induction is hard for us, but hey I managed to stay to induction levels without a gallbladder while upping protein and a little less fat.

[echo & others, what do you think of what that person wrote???]

Edit to add this additional information (I think it might be from the same person who wrote the above, but I'm not certain):

You will find eventual relief if you eat smaller, more frequent meals that always contain moderate fat .. olives, raw unprocessed nuts, avocado .. meats, cheese, eggs with the yolks, tuna w. mayo etc, etc. Fiber, especially from vegetables, fruits, legumes and nuts (not bran or grains ) will also be helpful.


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Oct 29 2007 13:53:40
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mlr,I try to avoid carbs as much as possible except for fruits. I have noticed that my body does not process carbs and sugar properly and I would have sometimes 2-4lbs gain overnight, I would weigh daily and watch in amazement, as the scale go up and down.We are not crazy. We should all document our experiences and have it published to help others.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Oct 29 2007 14:05:04
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quote:
Originally posted by hoyte54

mlr,I try to avoid carbs as much as possible except for fruits. I have noticed that my body does not process carbs and sugar properly and I would have sometimes 2-4lbs gain overnight, I would weigh daily and watch in amazement, as the scale go up and down.We are not crazy. We should all document our experiences and have it published to help others.


I completely agree! I think it would be helpful if one of you guys started a new thread with a catchy title...something like "Eat THIS not THAT after Gallbladder Surgery". Then folks could discuss what works, seems to work, what causes immediate bloating, what doesn't, what you suspect, etc...

...just a thought.

To your point about helping others hoyte...wouldn't it be great if some well qualified inquisitive & intelligent doctors would actually help you guys. It seems to me that for the most part, the medical community has dissmissed you guys, and that it just plain professionally and morally wrong! Honestly, they should be ashamed...they have patients who are obviously suffering and yet, you are not helped and disgarded (and probably sent a bill for the unhelpful office visit(s) ).

Good Grief!


Reply author: abella
Replied on: Oct 29 2007 15:22:32
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Hi,

No GB for the last 7 years.

Has anybody tried the 'Eat For Your Blood Type' Book?

At 42, I think it works - it has for me. But it working for me really means nothing. Why? Because every-body is different: their chemistry, their family tree, etc....

I used to eat meat and loads of dairy. I no longer do.
I have been off of these products now for about 4 months and my body has just now started metabolizing. I am loosing weight and inches without trying I eat vegies, some fruits, pastas and breads. I am a coffee drinker. I drink the right amount of water for my body weight. I am one who likes sweets. But this may not work for everyone as with anything in life.

Might be worth looking into for some of you.

I know of a few people in my world that are eating this way. They are amazed at what is happening to their bodies and their health over all.


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: Nov 02 2007 16:02:25
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I gained 80 pounds. There is a solution, but it requires WORK and, depending on how far gone you are, it may take a year. Ready? Here it goes (by the way, there is no 'one pill' solution, I don't care what pill it is):

Yes, the problem is the gallbladder. The bile (what is there AND the lack of it) has produced 3 distinct problems you are going to have to deal with in order to lose weight.

PROBLEM 1: The lining of your colon is now damaged. This is why you are constipated. Repair your colon wall with a high-fiber diet. No sugar or white flour. Pizza, donuts, pancakes, cookies, etc. are poison. You will never get well if you continue to include them in your diet. It also exacerbates problem no. 2.

*Eat a bowl of oatmeal every morning for breakfast. Add what you like to it (walnuts, berries, etc.)

*Eat brown rice, stir-fry vegetables and either chicken or fish (if you can eat meat with no problem) for lunch. If you cannot eat meat without bloat, leave it off and just eat the rice and vegetables.

**Eat lean protein and a vegetable for dinner. NEVER FRY ANYTHING. If you are having trouble with meat, eat beans, brown rice and a vegetable.

*Buy a juicer or go to your local juice bar (at the health food store) and drink a 16oz carrot, beet, and cucumber or celery at least 3 times a week.

*Find a whole grain bread. You will know immediately if your bread is fake grain because it will cause you to bloat. READ THE LABEL! I eat Ezekiel 4:9 bread. Not only is it whole grain, it has no flour. WHOLE GRAINS, VEGETABLES, BEANS, AND OATS PROVIDE BUTYRATE, A FATTY ACID THAT FEEDS THE CELLS LINING THE COLON.

PROBLEM 2: A poorly functioning gallbladder, due to it not 'spewing' enough bile (a very corrosive acid) allows parasites and worms to grow. The body then tries to protect you from internal poisoning by gathering water into the colon to surround the overgrowth of worms and parasites. This is the main reason you gain weight so easily. It is not fat; it is water.

A high-fiber diet, in itself is a potent anti-parasitical AND IS ESSENTIAL IN THIS FIGHT. But you need more. Brewer's yeast is a nutritional yeast that can help to re-populate the colon and will overtake those parasites. Also try mastic and castor oil (softgels). The Brewer's yeast will work, though. You will have the runs - they are all worms! Schedule a colonic for yourself.

PROBLEM 3: The damaged gallbladder. You will need to take nutritional supplements to heal the organ. 300-500 mg. of the B-Vitamins and enteric-coated fish oil tablets, along with 3,000-9,000 mg. of vitamin C with meals in evenly divided doses will do the trick.

Now, exerise 3-4x per week. With a high-fiber diet, b-vitmains, vitamin c, and fish oil, you'll lose weight. I order Tri-B, Opti-EPA and C-1000 by Douglas Laboratories from Emerson Ecologics (www.emersonecologics.com). They are pharmaceutical grade products. It took me five years of study to find the cure. But I found it.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 05 2007 14:02:28
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A word of caution about the Ezekiel 4:9 bread...

Ed tried it this weekend and experienced an immediate and very obvious & significant bloat the lasted more than 24 hours. The only other thing he consumed that day was oatmeal (which does not seem to cause him to bloat at all).

The severe bloating he experienced after consuming the Ezekiel 4:9 bread was very similar to what happens when he consumes anything with corn or corn syrup, or corn solids, etc..

He thinks it must be the live sprouts in the bread which caused this reaction immediately after he ate 2 pieces of Ezekiel 4:9 bread. He is able to eat a certain hearty rye bread without bloating (it is difficult finding bread products that don't contain some form of corn solids).


Reply author: PaSSion
Replied on: Nov 06 2007 22:55:48
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I had my gall bladder removed Feb. 4, 2007. I lost 12 lbs. in the month of January as part of my New Years resolution. I was feeling so proud of myself, and then BAM!!! I needed emergency surgery to have my GB removed. Soon after the surgery I gained the 12 lbs. that I had lost and another 12 on top of that! I also have frequent bouts of diarrhea after I eat. It's very bothersome and all of this excessive weight gain has really done a number on my self-image. My weight gain has been centered around my mid-section as well. After reading all these posts, I have come to the conclusion that there has to be SOME relationship between GB removal and excessive weight gain. If anyone out there has any suggestions or knows any treatments please let me know. I am getting desperate. Thank you all and have a blessed night.


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Nov 07 2007 00:19:50
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There seem to be no sure fire way for the issues that have resulted from the removal of the GB. We have been sharing in this forum what have worked for some of us. You have to find the right combination of foods that works for you by trial and error and some discomfort, the things that do not bloat, constipate or give you diarrhea. For the most part I have learnt what not to eat, also to have hot water or tea after I have had a meal. This works for the most part for the digestive issues. The weight is a much larger factor because it can literally change from day to day. I now go on the scale daily just to prove the weirdness of it all. Most persons and myself, seem to think limitation of sugars and carbs will help a little with weight loss. Good luck.


Reply author: moonscapes
Replied on: Nov 07 2007 03:44:03
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I had my GB removed over a year ago and I've since put on 70lbs!! I may have over-indulged a bit with the fatty foods, but far less than I did before the problem started. Every month I have to go and buy new clothes for my ever-expanding body. I haven't found anything that helps, I've significantly changed my diet, I've been exercising, and yet I can't seem to lose any weight. I've read much of what was said in previous entries and I'm just so glad that I'm not the only one who seems to be having this problem, although I'm sorry we're all facing this dilemma. I don't want to end up being so big that I can't even exercise, I'd like some suggestions to help me. The ones I've read I'm going to try, I hope there are more answers out there. Thanks all and good luck!!


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 08 2007 16:57:49
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I reread the entire 40 pages of threads here and organized comments into the following categories:

General Comments regarding Weight Gain/Bloating after Gall Bladder Surgery:
Suggestions/Remarks other than Food:
General Food Consumption Comments:
Food that Causes Weight Gain/Bloating:
Food that Do not cause Bloating:

Based on that information in condensed format, the evidence is absolutely overwhelming that the bloating you guys/gals are experiencing is DEFINETELY DIRECTLY RELATED TO HAVING YOUR GALL BLADDERS REMOVED. Do not believe your doctor or anyone else when he or she tells you that this is not so. You are NOT crazy. You know exactly what is happening to your bodies, you just don't know what the root cause (or causes).


From studying these lists, In my opinion I would strongly urge anyone suffering from this yet unexplained bloating to consider eliminating all corn & wheat (gluten?) products from your diets for a while to see if it makes any difference at all. This will be harder than you think because many things contain variations of corn products [i.e. corn solids/high fructose corn syrups]. You will need to read labels for a while..miracle whip contains corn solids, but real mayonaise does not. Most butter substitutes have corn solids. Hot Chocolate has it. It took a while to find, but if you look hard enough you will be able to find cookies w/o corn solids (certain ginger snaps i think?).

Keep a complete journal of everything you consume and note when you do and do not bloat and record your weight daily. You will eventually learn what is safe or not to consume. When you find a generally safe diet. For Ed it was lots of Oatmeal...if you get instant oatmeal don't get any that contain corn solids/products as some of the flavored ones have corn solids), beets, egg salad, raisins, prunes, potatoes, peas, pork, chicken, turkey (not fried), and other stuff (I'll ask him & post more if anyone is interested). He also consumed some sort of liquid vegatable drink each day (thinking his diet might be a little off while he's experimenting).

I believe he is still taking the bile salts, but I'm not sure. I do know he didn't have much luck during the first few weeks he was taking it, but that might have been because he hadn't yet learned that corn/wheat/certain grain products was a major cause for his own bloating. If he stopped taking them I'm sure he would consider trying it again since a few people here had some better luck with the bile salts (I think there's a few folks here that wouldn't think of not taking them daily!).

After you have a basic acceptable diet that works

So far (this week) he's managed to keep the bloat off and his weight is finally dropping, but will it last??? I and/or he will certainly continue reporting back if his results change either way.

Kindest Regards...


Reply author: Restore
Replied on: Nov 08 2007 22:01:34
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Moonscapes and everyone else: I gained 80 pounds and lost ALL OF IT. I now weigh 130lbs, which is less than I weighed BEFORE this nightmare.

You need a high-fiber vegetarian diet, fish oil and Brewer's yeast. Honestly, this is what turned the corner for me. I ate 3 square and lost a pound a day. If you don't know how to do a vegetarian diet, get a book on it. Don't try to 'wing it', hoping for results. Your gall bladder and colon are severely damaged, and the ONLY CURE is the proper diet and supplements. I went from doctor to doctor, and ended up talking to doctors in Europe and Japan. No one knew what was wrong with me. I studied for 5 years before I found an answer. This is what lead me to the vegetarian diet and the supplements.

THE BLOATING IS CAUSED BY PARASITES IN YOUR COLON. And trust me, they are many and varied! Once the diet and Brewer's yeast took hold, things came out I couldn't identify if I tried (upon study, I found out these were worms!). Any bloating you get after getting a whole grain product is actually good: bacteria is destroyed by the butyrate formed in the colon by whole grains. It will be followed by what seems like diarrhea - it is actually the expulsion of worms.

I recently posted under another name on page 39. It starts with the sentence 'I gained 80 pounds'. Read it. I worked very hard to find out what was wrong with me and I thank God everyday that I have my life back. One more word about the parasites: the toxic bile entering into the colon (and damaging the colon walls) has created an environment that worms and parasites thrive in. You are gaining weight so rapidly because your body is trying to protect you from auto-intoxication by gathering water into your colon. That's right - all that water weight gain is saving your life! Eat the diet, take the Brewer's yeast and get rid of the parasites for weight loss and new life. I am not guessing - I have my results after studying for many years. See page 39 on this topic for how I did it.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 09 2007 08:22:45
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With all due respect to Restore,

Ed tried the high fiber vegetarian diet and BLOATED and bloated seriously.

It simply did not work for him.

I'm not saying it will not work for you. I don't have all the answers. But I will continue to share what does and does not work for my friend Ed, and we will continue to watch and read what does and does not work for you folks.

A note to Restore: Congratulations on your weight loss. You must be thrilled.


Reply author: Restore
Replied on: Nov 09 2007 14:22:03
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JAllen, did you not read my entire post? Bloating on a high-fiber diet is a GOOD thing. It is a sign of parasite death. Fiber foods provide the colon with butyrate, a short-chain fatty acid that feeds the lining of the colon. It will literally 'eat' the shell that covers parasites and worm and cause them to be flushed from the body in the form of what seems to be diarrhea. The rebuilding of the lining of the colon is the most important step in getting well and cannot be ignored or overlooked due to unpleasant symptoms. In fact, during the entire healing process, there are going to be healing reactions. The high-fiber diet will heal the colon, liver and gall bladder, and weight loss will resume, as it should during restoration of health. It is natural and to be desired. If you will not adhere to a high-fiber diet, you can forget getting your health back.


Reply author: Debby
Replied on: Nov 10 2007 08:33:16
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Hi all

I have been reading through these posts and finding it all generally discouraging. I have just turned 41 and had my gallbladder removed 6 1/2 weeks ago and have found that I also keep putting on weight, despite increasing the amount and intensity of my exercise. I've normally maintained a stable weight and been able to lose weight with exercise whenever I start to put on a little, but now I just keep putting on - the exercise is having no obvious effect at all. I was 52.5kg immediately after the surgery and hoping to lose a couple of kilos. I am now 54.1kg. That probably means about as much to you as all the talk of pounds means to me, but you get the general idea - I am going in the wrong direction!

Fortunately I do not have a lot of the other problems that others have mentioned. I have no problem with diarrhea or gas, although I am constipated occassionally, however that is not totally unusual for me. I actually feel a lot better since the surgery and it is only the weight gain that is bothering me.

Prior to the surgery I wasn't really having any symptoms that could be directly attributed to the gallbladder, but I have had ongoing chronic heartburn problems for years that were getting worse. Even on medication I would still get heartburn, and taking antacids would not help. Sometimes I would take up to 4X the recommended dose before it went away, sometimes I just had to put up with excruciating pain in the chest for 6-8 hours till it went away. I also often had indigestion, bloating etc.

It was due to these heartburn problems and a pain I sometimes got in my left shoulder (the wrong side I have been told) that finally led the dr. to send me for ultrasound. I was quite surprised to discover I had gallstones and a diseased gallbladder (quite severe inflammation and thickened lining). The specialist also told me it would be best to have it out because it would cause me problems eventually, and said I would have no probs with weight gain, indigestion, bloating, diarrhea etc. beyond the first few weeks of adjustment. Basically he said I would feel great and all my probs would be over!

Since surgery, I have still been getting heartburn quite often, probably more often than before, but now when I take an antacid it actually works! So maybe the lingering pain that was unresponsive to antacids was really from the gb. I have also had less bloating (as in feeling bloated inside, not looking it on the outside, which has increased) and indigestion and generally feel a lot healthier and more energetic and feel like things are actually working in my digestive system for a change. But maybe they're not working as well as I thought. I am very puffed up around my abdomen, similar to water retention, and even around my back - my whole torso really is flabby and bloated.

I was encouraged when echo finally found something that worked, only to be discouraged again when she said it wasn't working anymore and her weight was now going up and down. At least that is still better than going up and up I guess! I am not good at sticking to strict boring diets I'm afraid, but neither am I a junk food junkie. But I enjoy my food too much to cut out whole food groups and stuff like that. I'm hoping that the bile salts or fat metabolizers or something like that will work for me. Think I'll go out to the health food shop tomorrow and see what I can get. I am sick of putting all this effort into exercise and denying myself food to absolutely no effect.

Anyway, I better go to bed - it's midnight now and I need my beauty sleep haha. I'll let you know how I go ...


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 10 2007 10:14:48
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"I am sick of putting all this effort into exercise and denying myself food to absolutely no effect."

Those sames words...this time from a lady in Australia who is having problems that she did not have before she had her gall bladder removed. Debby, you're not alone. I know of someone who is also having the same problems as you are (only to a much worse extent in terms of the actual water weight gain)...this same person also does not have problems with gas and diarrhea, rather like you, seems to keep gaining water weight that cannot be affected by exersize.

I can appreciate your feelings about dieting "I am not good at sticking to strict boring diets I'm afraid, but neither am I a junk food junkie." but, as someone who has observed this problem first hand for years and years, I feel pretty certain that someday in the future, you will be paying very, very close attention to your diet. I wish there was another answer for you..and there is certainly reason to believe the bile salts and other nutritional attention will help you, but until the medical community is willing and able to acknowledge and help solve this problem for you and others like you who are unable to get definitive answers, you will have to take control of this problem for yourself, and you will be well advised to start by walking away from any doctor who tells you that "this has nothing to do with having your gall bladder surgically removed". But do us all a favor...before walking away from that doctor, look them straight in the eye and tell them that you know full well that they are absolutely wrong and that they should be ashamed to call themselves doctors.

For the love of tofu crunch, lettuce leaves and endless days of extreme exercise, how much evidence will doctors need before they will even acknowlege that these patients are have a serious and debilitating problem? Won't someone in the medical community help these folks for heaven sakes!!!!

I wrote a brief letter online to Dr. Gupta, and asked him (or his researchers) to read this forum and I've heard nothing back. Now I know Dr. Gupta and his staff are certainly extremely busy, and I can imagine that one Email from one person about this problem may not be enough to get anyones attention.

This is going to take more effort folks. How about we try to get in touch with everyone who is experiencing this problem and ask them to help by writing letters (and perhaps consider including pictures of post gall bladder removal swollen/bloated bellies). If everyone sends these letters and pictures to Dr. Gupta (media medical giant) then it would probably grab his attention and he might be able to point us in the right direction? Perhaps there are other people/places we could send these same letters/photos? Medical Schools? Gastroinstestinal specialists? Nutritional Specialists? Medical Journals?

Any other ideas?

(again, I post without proof reading...any incomplete sentences, spelling errors, etc.. are unintentional)


Reply author: mlr
Replied on: Nov 10 2007 11:04:01
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Just wanted to post after my 3 session colonics.

I 'think' I feel better generally. I did it mostly to make certain that if there was an gunk in there - it would be gone. The technician made NO mention of seeing worms, ets. I do not think everyone has worms. At least, I didn't.

I am still following my lower carb (not extremely rigid) diet and it seems to be helping. I have lost 6 lbs. in about 2-3 weeks. I can wear jeans I haven't worn for a while. That is good.

I did a starter 'detox' that I got from the technician and when done with that (3 days from now) I will start a liver detox that I purchased from the clinic. (a long list of herbs for liver cleansing). AFTER THAT, if I don't notice any BIG change, I will try bile salts.

So far, I notice bloating after eating grain products mostly. So, if I steer clear of breads, pasta, and high carb veggies - I do pretty well.

I notice bloating at night - then it is less in the am. I always weigh in the morning - everyone weighs more at night, I believe.

I appreciate the post itemizing all our complaints. Thanks for taking the time to do that.

Don't give up the fight! Watch our for junk foods - keep moving. Even if you just stop the GAIN, that will be a giant step forward.

thanks ALL.

mlr


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 10 2007 11:43:18
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quote:
Originally posted by mlr


I am still following my lower carb (not extremely rigid) diet and it seems to be helping. I have lost 6 lbs. in about 2-3 weeks. I can wear jeans I haven't worn for a while. That is good.

So far, I notice bloating after eating grain products mostly. So, if I steer clear of breads, pasta, and high carb veggies - I do pretty well.



Hello mlr, thanks for posting those results, and congratulations on fitting into those jeans!

Ed mentioned last week that he did an at home colonic (using magnesium citrate) and was able to drop over 3lbs overnight (approx 7kgs). In fact, it was the next day that he had a slice of the Ezekiel bread which caused an immediate and severe bloat.

Speaking of magnesium (not the citrate )...Ed started taking magnesium supplements last week and is finding some interesting benefits from that (better sleeping, a long standing dermatological issue seemed to suddenly clear up/etc..). I'm no doctor or scientist, but I have read that magnesium and calcium work together...and reading that a few of you described your gall bladders as having become "hardened or calcified" got me to wondering if some of you might have a magnesium deficiency in your diets. Google it up and read about it, there might be something to this??? I'm wondering if some of you folks might have too much calcium and/or not enough magnesium and that might have contributed to your original problem with your gall bladders and might also be a continuing problem. If anyone with more knowledge about this "off the wall" and completely uneducated hypothesis, feel free to tell me I'm full of it (but please help me understand why).

In any event, I've read that about 60% of Americans are deficient in magnesium and that this particular element is crucial for hundreds of important bio-chemical functions in our bodies. Read about it & tell me what you think.

By the way, I hope some of you will read my last post about getting a mailing campaign going (bottom of page 40).


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Nov 10 2007 11:58:03
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quote:
Originally posted by Restore

Moonscapes and everyone else: I gained 80 pounds and lost ALL OF IT. I now weigh 130lbs, which is less than I weighed BEFORE this nightmare.

You need a high-fiber vegetarian diet, fish oil and Brewer's yeast. Honestly, this is what turned the corner for me. I ate 3 square and lost a pound a day. If you don't know how to do a vegetarian diet, get a book on it. Don't try to 'wing it', hoping for results. Your gall bladder and colon are severely damaged, and the ONLY CURE is the proper diet and supplements. I went from doctor to doctor, and ended up talking to doctors in Europe and Japan. No one knew what was wrong with me. I studied for 5 years before I found an answer. This is what lead me to the vegetarian diet and the supplements.

THE BLOATING IS CAUSED BY PARASITES IN YOUR COLON. And trust me, they are many and varied! Once the diet and Brewer's yeast took hold, things came out I couldn't identify if I tried (upon study, I found out these were worms!). Any bloating you get after getting a whole grain product is actually good: bacteria is destroyed by the butyrate formed in the colon by whole grains. It will be followed by what seems like diarrhea - it is actually the expulsion of worms.

I recently posted under another name on page 39. It starts with the sentence 'I gained 80 pounds'. Read it. I worked very hard to find out what was wrong with me and I thank God everyday that I have my life back. One more word about the parasites: the toxic bile entering into the colon (and damaging the colon walls) has created an environment that worms and parasites thrive in. You are gaining weight so rapidly because your body is trying to protect you from auto-intoxication by gathering water into your colon. That's right - all that water weight gain is saving your life! Eat the diet, take the Brewer's yeast and get rid of the parasites for weight loss and new life. I am not guessing - I have my results after studying for many years. See page 39 on this topic for how I did it.



I have been hesitant to take brewers yeast as I have read that it encourages candida yeast growth. So I'm confused by your advice to take it. Candida must be cleared up for good intestinal health. Sugar and white flour products must be eliminated for the most part. Also, I do agree that bile is necessary to inhibit parasites but if it is constantly dripping into our intestines for those without gallbladders then wouldn't that help with destroying parasites? I have taken a product called humaworm periodically and there are different foods that help to kill parasites such as pumpkin seeds, pineapple, garlic, etc. There are also herbs. Just wanted to ask your opinion on the brewers yeast. I guess I'll have to look more into it.


Reply author: Restore
Replied on: Nov 10 2007 12:00:06
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The answer to your problems are already in this Weight Management post. I did not 'observe this problem for years and years.’ I studied for years and years and I know and have the answer.

"Let thy food be thy medicine, and let thy medicine be thy food"

A truer statement has not been made. I lost 80 pounds and the swollen belly with FOOD. I have explained this on page 39 and 40 of this Weight Management post. Writing letters will not heal you. I talked with doctors in the U.S., Europe and Japan. None of them knew what was wrong with me.

A high-fiber diet is not boring. You simply must learn how to prepare these foods in a tasty way. Example: Corn chips, tomatoes, black beans and cheese under the broiler make an excellent pizza. If you have trouble with those ingredients, modify them to ones you don't have a problem with. Brown rice with stir-fried vegetables and chicken or beef (if you have trouble with meat, use tofu or beans), taste great! Use seasonings you may have not tried before. Experiment with the high-fiber diet and make it your own. You must eat your way back to health. I did it. I studied the human body for 5 years and I am skinny again. HIPPOCRATES WAS RIGHT. End your suffering with the food you need to heal and rebuild your body.

Become more proactive in getting results. It begins and ends with you.


Reply author: Restore
Replied on: Nov 10 2007 12:06:12
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Brewer's yeast is a nutritional yeast and not only does not encourage parasite growth, it actually inhibits and replaces pathogenic yeast. My greatest results came when I combined the Brewer's yeast with the vegetarian diet. The constant dripping of bile into the colon will not destroy parasites because the bile itself is damaging the colon wall, giving rise to conditions that enable parasites to grow and thrive. A healthy colon wall will not allow worms and parasites to embed themselves there. I have never read anywhere that a nutritional yeast encourages a pathogenic yeast.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 10 2007 13:28:40
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I consider myself open minded, and certainly would listen to more of what you might have to say Restore, but I'm not sure I can agree with you at this point. I would LOVE to be convinced that you are right, but based on what I've read on these 40 pages I'm not buying that what worked for you will work for everyone. As I said before Ed tried the diet you are talking about, and I know personally that he went so far into the vegetarian diet that for a while he was eating a vegan diet.

I repeat: IT DIDN'T WORK FOR HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You've said that bloating is a GOOD thing because it is a sign of parasite death and that butyrate is formed by grains which leads to the expulsion of worms.

Please tell us, in your opinion, how long should one be bloated before we stop calling it a good thing? 2 days? 2 weeks? 2 months? 2 years longer?


Reply author: mlr
Replied on: Nov 10 2007 18:17:10
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I cannot imagine that something (bloating) that makes one so uncomfortable and at times miserable can be good for you.

I never had a bloating problem until I lost my gall bladder. I believe the gall bladder plays an important role in our digestion and with proper digestion (thus the use of enzymes, bile salts, etc. or whatever we try that works) and food choices - we should NOT be bloated. I do not agree that bloating is a good thing. I also do not believe everyone has worms, etc.

I did colonics just to cleanse the colon and have been taking pro biotoics as well as an herb detox formula for two weeks. I do feel like I have more energy and am NOT as bloated - and for me, that is a GOOD thing. Sorry, having your gut stick out further than ones chest is NOT a pleasant picture - and is definitely not comfortable.

thanks all!

mlr


Reply author: Debby
Replied on: Nov 10 2007 22:37:54
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Hi again

Well my bloating certainly isn't as bad as that - mine is just like water retention before a period, except it's still there after. However what people have been saying about being one size in the morning and changing through the day reminds me of a story I saw on a current affairs show a while back. An Australian tv personality who suffers from this brought this to the media attention, and they found many other women suffering it as well. I don't know whether they had gallbladder problems or not. Anyway I searched and found the article - here it is:

Adriana Xenides' pain is shared

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Reporter: Andrew Bourke
Broadcast Date: September 10, 2007
After Adriana Xendies revealed on Today Tonight that she is suffering a gastro-intestinal digestive disorder, we received hundreds of phone calls, emails and letters from women around Australia suffering from the same condition.

Now that Adriana's spoken up, they now have found the courage to come forward and talk about how their lives have been affected by this illness that has the medical profession baffled.

"The symptoms range from bloating, big fluid retention, but the bloating is the worst part and you get a lot of pain," Adriana said.

"You start off wearing a size 10 at the beginning of the day and by the end of it you can be up to a size 16."

Eve Rilatt has lived with a digestive disorder for the past 20 years, the former ballet dancer has always taken pride in her appearance. Her weight swings have become unbearable and her once flat stomach is no more.

Eve has found strength and comfort in Adriana's brave confession about an embarrassing and awkward subject.

"It's been a relief to know that I'm not the only person out there and that's what's prompted me to say 'hey Adriana, there are a lot of us out there I'm one'," Eve said.

Dianne Hawkins is suffering too but not just from a chronic stomach disorder. She is frustrated by the medical profession's lack of answers for her condition which grows worse by the day.

She believes that if a cure is not found soon, it could be too late for her and others.

'I'm terrified," Dianne said.

"The stomach muscles are starting to split now and a big lump forms from the pubic hair line to the breast bone and it's apparently parting the stomach muscles and tendons and sinuses," she added.

The sad news for these women and other sufferers is doctors simply have no idea what to do about the condition. Professor Terry Bolan from the Gut Institute said it is a very real phenomenon and there is no cure yet.

While these brave woman wait for answers, they pray for a cure for this debilitating illness. They realize the only way to survive is to band together for support and find comfort in the fact that they're not alone.

Eve said: "I know more than a dozen young women who have this condition.

"I work with them, and I see the desperation on their face and I see that they lose hope and they say to me I'm just having one of those gut days and we give each other a hug.

"I really hope the medical profession finds an answer to this sooner rather than later," she added.

http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/40663/lifestyle/adriana-xenides-pain-shared

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Does this sound like what some of you are going through?

I think I am just gonna stick with the exercise for a couple more weeks before I try anything else. I've only been exercising for 4 weeks as my surgery is so recent, and didn't exercise at all the week before last, so not surprising I put on quite a bit that week. Maybe this weeks slight increase was muscle? One can only hope! It's too early for me to say that I am in the same boat and my probs certainly don't seem as drastic so far, with no other bad side effects.

Hope you find this article helpful - not that it gives any answers but it at least shows the problem has had some media attention which might get someone to take notice.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 11 2007 07:51:13
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Hi Debby,

I would agree that the symptoms you describe are very different from what many of us are talking about. You may very well end up being one of the lucky ones and for reasons we still don't seem to understand.

In your case, your talking about gaining roughly 3 lbs (1.6kg) that tends to linger periodically along with your monthly cycles. In most of the situations being discussed here, water weight is gained regularly and sporadically as a result of consuming various food stuffs. This water weight gain can be severe (several pounds overnight) and tends to trend ever upward over time to a point where it causes extreme discomfort and various other symptoms. These folks seem to inevitably try various different diets and programs, including vegetarian diets / vegan diets / microbiotics / liquid diets / drinking tons of water / prayer / vitamin and nutritional supplements / bile salts / regular exersizing / extreme exersizing / various consults with specialized doctors / colonics / massage therapy / non-traditional consults & therapies and more.

At this point, we are trying to get a closer read on what food stuffs cause bloating and what does not seem to cause bloating.

Even though your case is very mild by comparison, you might want to consider keeping a relatively detailed daily diary of what you are eating and make notes of any changes or observations that follow eating those foods. Those who have the extreme bloating may eventually have to pay attention to these same foods on a deeper level (reading labels & looking for patterns/similarities & stuff).

I do hope your situation remains under control Debby. All the best to you!


Reply author: jswhite163
Replied on: Nov 11 2007 18:43:42
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After being tested I've been told my gallbladder is malfunctioning.I'm desperate to get it out.My stomache is bloated to the point that jeans that were falling off of me a month ago,are now unbuttonable.I have horrible stomache pain and haedaches.I get nausous and lightheaded.These are just my worst syptoms.I feel very unattractive.I can't afford to buy new clothes,and I don't want to be fat.I'm sorry for so much complaining,but I'm disgusted.
After reading your posts,now I feel hopeless.I thought surgery would be the solution.From what everone is saying ,it will get worse.Please help me.


Reply author: Debby
Replied on: Nov 11 2007 19:00:56
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For the people on this forum things are pretty bad, but I'm sure there are many other people who do not have problems, and therefore you won't find them here. It sounds like things are already pretty bad for you anyway and could not get much worse? I guess that's something you will need to judge for yourself. It could be the solution to all your problems, or it may not. Maybe you should get a second opinion?


Reply author: mlr
Replied on: Nov 11 2007 20:35:47
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jswhite163

If I had it to do ALL OVER AGAIN, I would find the BEST Holistic practitioner I could find (and do take your time and get referrals) and I would try to do a gall bladder cleanse and liver cleanse BEFORE doing surgery. I would never recommend doing anything like this on your own - and I would NOT do this if your situation is acute - meaning you have been told that emergency surgery is necessary NOW.

Do some research into Homeopathic practitioners - one who is medically certified (an M.D.) would be even better. See if they can help you pass your stones without surgery. Then watch your diet and health to help prevent recurrence. It is too late for me and many others. But, if you do not have a stone stuck in a duct or anything like that, you still have time.

Take care and choose wisely.

mlr


Reply author: justjay
Replied on: Nov 12 2007 02:00:42
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You know its great that your whole family didint hVE THESE PROBLEMS but your few in numbers doesnt seem to match with the majority. so maybe you should find sympathy for you admited self induced weight issues in another forum. I was 22 year old 130 pound non exerciser eat what ever I wanted to girl before surgery. after I am a 24 year old works out 5 times a week health concious low fat diet eating 223 pound girl so your exsperience is yours so stop knocking the majority and deal with your own issuse for your weight gain and let us continue to deal with ours which WAS caused by GALLBLADDER REMOVAL SURGERY.

quote:
Originally posted by pcollins

msufan4ever
You might get more weight-loss support in some of the other discussion areas here in the forum.

I continue to be amazed at the number of people who feel their gall bladder removal is the cause of their current weight problems.
I don't know whether or not those perceptions are accurate.

My own experience is that I was fat before I had my gall bladder removed, and continued to be fat after that surgery.
My recovery took about 6 weeks, and I had no negative side effects.
This was also the experience of my mother, my sister, and my adult daughter.

Both before and after my gall-bladder surgery, when I made the EFFORT that it takes to restrict my calories and exercise, I lost weight. My highest weight was 271 in 1992 and currently I am very healthy, weighing 111 lbs at a height of 5'0".

Phyllis


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Nov 12 2007 08:16:12
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quote:
Originally posted by jswhite163

After being tested I've been told my gallbladder is malfunctioning.I'm desperate to get it out.My stomache is bloated to the point that jeans that were falling off of me a month ago,are now unbuttonable.I have horrible stomache pain and haedaches.I get nausous and lightheaded.These are just my worst syptoms.I feel very unattractive.I can't afford to buy new clothes,and I don't want to be fat.I'm sorry for so much complaining,but I'm disgusted.
After reading your posts,now I feel hopeless.I thought surgery would be the solution.From what everone is saying ,it will get worse.Please help me.



I agree with mlr. Find a holistic doctor that treats the "whole" body, not just the symptoms. If you aren't in an emergency situation, then I would definitely research and read up on the liver/gallbladder flush and go that route. I think most of us on here regret that we trusted doctors to know what was best for our bodies. They never know, only you really know your own body.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 12 2007 09:08:08
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justjay,

I can fully understand your anger after reading such unbelievably thoughtless and inconsiderate words. Forget and ignore that person, you are in the right place.

Please share your experiences with us...tell us your story...what all have you tried?

I also know of someone who had always been blessed with a trim healthy looking body who suddenly seemed to explode after having his gall bladder removed. This fella is seemingly having some relief by avoiding certain grain products (and will read labels to avoid consuming anything with corn products, corn solids, corn syrups...also avoids canola products and popcorn)...i think he's also avoiding many gluten products and high fiber vegatables...believe it or not, a salad will make this fella bloat!)

Again justjay, ignore and forget any comments from pcollins. As someone who has only witnessed what you all are going through, I was stunned myself that someone could say such hateful things to people who are obviously suffering.

Edited to add this: Actually, the words you quoted are quite tame compared with other quotes I've read from that particular poster. So my advice applies even more so...ignore anything else posted by that person. To me what pcollins has said [that you guys are blaming your problems on your gall bladder surgery] would be the same as accusing a cancer patient of blaming their hairloss on radiation treatment. It is just as thoughtless and insensitive.


Reply author: debrock
Replied on: Nov 13 2007 21:28:12
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Applause to jallen and mlr. How long IS too long on the bloating? It has been too long! I cannot imagine that the bloating is a good thing. I went from a teeny 22 inch waist prior to the gallbladder malfunction and then removal to a state of constant bloating. It has only been over the past few weeks - since I've been diagnosed with wheat allergy that the bloating has diminished greatly. As has the diahrea. In fact if what some are saying is true, then I only experience watery bowel movements - characterized by some as paraasites when I accidentally ingest wheat. One of the symptoms of wheat allergies is diahrea so I am not willing to call this parasites. I have only lost 2 of the 12 pounds that I have gained since the disease and removal of the gallbladder, but I am hopeful that this loss will continue if I stay away from the offending foods. I have been taking probiotics and have steered as clear of wheat and my other allergic foods as I much as I can. Just as a test I had a piece of pizza this past weekend and immediately bloated, got sick to my stomach and broke out in hives. The reaction was extreme and included numbness in my face and legs. What I have found out from my research is that if you have food allergies, your gallbladder can become diseased from the allergies over time. Then when the gallbladder is removed there is nothing left to fight the toxicity of the allergic substances. I cannot go back to the holistic allergist until January and will decide at that time as to whether or not to do any type of detoxification. Since removing most of my allergens from my diet my stomach has been pain free for the first time since the gallbladder problems started - about 3 years ago. Even though I've only lost 2 pounds people (who had no idea what has been going on) have commented on the fact that my face and stomach look thinner. I have a small build and workout several times a week, so 12 extra pounds around the face and mid section was quickly apparent. I'm hoping that maybe others will find that part of their problem is allergies and they can find the culprits and find at least some of the relief I am experiencing from diet alterations. It is not easy to remove the offenders from your diet especially when on the road or when eating anywhere outside of the home.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Nov 13 2007 21:58:14
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It's amazing how many people can say..PROPER DIET...what I think is the proper diet and when I think I have finally found the solution, it kicks me in the butt again!!! I'm going to a doctor to get relief and I was put on a 500 cal protein diet for a week that nearly killed me. I almost drowned myself from drinking OVER a gallon 1/2 of water a day due to the feeling of dehydration. I am now back to my normal diet and still struggling..20lbs came off and 10lbs came back on..I eat ALL healthy, and watch my calories..AND STILL NO RESULTS!!! This is frustrating and annoying that the doctors can't look into this...EVERY DOCTOR I've been to, does not believe..this forum is the only thing that has kept me from going insane..


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Nov 13 2007 22:01:49
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quote:
Originally posted by Debby

For the people on this forum things are pretty bad, but I'm sure there are many other people who do not have problems, and therefore you won't find them here. It sounds like things are already pretty bad for you anyway and could not get much worse? I guess that's something you will need to judge for yourself. It could be the solution to all your problems, or it may not. Maybe you should get a second opinion?



I've, along with several people on here, have gotten SEVERAL 2nd 3rd 4th, etc.. opinions...I'm not quite understanding your post....are you having problems as well?? or are you posting as a skeptic??


Reply author: JessicaNRodger
Replied on: Nov 13 2007 22:32:24
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Hello all,

Been a while since my last post, was just catching up on what I've missed. Echo, I ordered all those meds you recommened that said worked for you: Digest Gold, Beta Plus Bile Salts, Livatone, Fibertone, Acidopholious Pearl, OilSmart, and Doctor's Best. I haven't lost but 1 or 2 pounds here or there, but it's kept the weight from creeping UP anymore, which is good.

Well since I last spoke with you all, I was going to specialists for an elevated DHEA level (a hormone produced by the adrenal glands that sit on top of the kidney.) Since then, I have had NUMEROUS blood tests and scans, so far nothing has been conclusive in locating a tumor. My endocrinologist who I just saw yesterday tells me my DHEA level is climbing higher and higher, to the point that it is TRIPLE what it should be. She is the only one in the region, has been featured in Top Docs Magazine, and has over 30 years experience. She says she has seen nothing like this-a triple DHEA level and she has no clue why. I'm being referred on to one of the big boy hospitals, Mayo Clinic. I'm not sure if this has ANYTHING to do with the weight gain after my GB removal, but it's frustrating on top of it. My husband says he always knew I was one in a million, but I didn't have to go and prove it! HA HA

Oh, and I'm catching on that there is some skeptics on here, mainly one in particular. Thought you all might like to know this: there was an article featured here in our paper. It tells of a woman who was an anorexic, or who doctors had thought she was. A bone thin lady, rib cage sticking out, she hardly had any hair, no periods, shoulder blades stuck out on her like wings. This woman claimed to everyone she was NOT starving herself, that she was eating regularly, but she kept losing weight and losing weight..... Her doctors, as an effort to HELP HER GAIN WEIGHT, REMOVED HER GALL BLADDER! She has now recovered from the surgery, GAINED 30 POUNDS, and is doing nicely! She claims in the interview that she is eating no different now compared to what she used to eat, it's just that the weight fell off of her while her GB was malfunctioning, then after it's removal, she's packed on the weight! How's that for you! Her initial doctors said that all along they thought she was anorexic and doing this to herself, but it was her GB! After she had it removed, the weight started piling on her, and she is healthier than she ever was! SKEPTICS-there is something to weight gain after GB removal, just because you don't fully understand it, doesn't mean it isn't there.

I tell my husband-if Dr. Jarvik can go and invent an artificial heart, why can't you go and invent an artifical GB? :)

POWER TO US, THE ONES LEFT WITH A BATTLE OF WEIGHT GAIN AFTER GB REMOVAL! We will have an answer someday.

Best wishes to all,
Jessica


Reply author: southern_pearl
Replied on: Nov 14 2007 03:05:51
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Hi I just want to ask if any of you get pain which feels like hunger pain but is 10 times worse after having your gall bladder removed. I got this exact pain before I had my gall bladder removed and I keep getting it still. Thanks


Reply author: Debby
Replied on: Nov 14 2007 03:44:39
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quote:
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Originally posted by Debby

For the people on this forum things are pretty bad, but I'm sure there are many other people who do not have problems, and therefore you won't find them here. It sounds like things are already pretty bad for you anyway and could not get much worse? I guess that's something you will need to judge for yourself. It could be the solution to all your problems, or it may not. Maybe you should get a second opinion?

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I've, along with several people on here, have gotten SEVERAL 2nd 3rd 4th, etc.. opinions...I'm not quite understanding your post....are you having problems as well?? or are you posting as a skeptic??


Well read my posts over the last couple of pages and you will know the answer to your q's. I am not sceptical of people's weight gain after gallbladder surgery as I have done nothing but gain weight as well, which brought me to this forum. Reading everyone's probs made me quite panicky that I was just going to get bigger and bigger and was doomed to get fat, but waking up the following morning I realised that I shouldn't panic yet as my surgery was only 7 weeks ago. What I meant above was that although there are those of you here that have probs with weight gain after gb surgery, there are probably many more that don't have significant problems. I am not doubting those that are here. For the woman questioning whether she should have surgery or not, for her it might be a good thing. You can't assume everyone will have a bad experience just because people on this forum have.

No-one has commented on the article I submitted on the previous page. It seems to me there are two different problems here. Some of you are talking about constant weight gain that you are finding very difficult or impossible to lose despite severe diet restrictions and excessive exercise. Others seem to be talking about huge weight fluctuations up AND down overnight and during the day that are described as bloating and seem to be caused by various foods. Am I right in assuming these two problems are quite different, or are people just describing the same problem in different ways?

The article I submitted previously focused on the bloating issue with someone being normal size in the morning and then looking like they were pregnant by the evening. There was a doctor mentioned in that article who may be looking into this problem, or maybe was just in it for the media attention, I'm not sure. However there was no mention of gallbladder in this article so not sure whether they had gb probs or not.

Here is the link again:
http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/40663/lifestyle/adriana-xenides-pain-shared

And another:
http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/40143/none/adriana-xendies-pain

And the doctors website:
http://www.terrybolin.com/


Reply author: JessicaNRodger
Replied on: Nov 14 2007 07:28:26
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Debby,

Well, this is what happened to me since my GB removal. I do have the bloating, but it seems to related to the constipation/diarrhea issue. Like others on here, I am one of the ones that seem to have the alternating bowel habits. So, depending on that issue, sometimes I'm bloated, sometimes I'm not.

I have had 4 children, 2 of them in the past two years. I have never had a weight issue-I did modeling. Upon leaving labor and delivery with my 4th child, I was right back into my Victoria Secret lingerie, looking very good.

4 months later, my GB is removed because my ejection fraction was NEGATIVE 9% (the surgeon had never seen an ejection fraction in the negative before, my GB actually ballooned up more when the CCK was injected). Upon removal, my abdomen felt better, but I went up 30 pounds in the next two months, all around my waist. I'm still shaped like an hourglass, but now I have weight gain on my stomach, something which was flat as a board before.

My husband used to tell his patients that the GB was fucntionally useless, as I also told my patients the same thing-we are now no longer telling our patients this, it's simply not true. The GB is essential to metabolizing fats, and without it, many people experience weight gain.

I luckily do not pain when eating or any other symptoms beside the weight gain and constipation/diarrhea alternation.

As for your article, I will read when I can in between my busy life here. Soccer games, Girl Scouts, tap class, jazz class, hip hop, Mighty Mites, cub scouts, Mommy and me classes, as well as being Room Mother, throwing classroom Holiday parties, and taking my own aerobic and dance classes at the studio. In other words, I'm not sure when I can. I too, exercise even MORE than I used to, and it really doesn't make that much of a difference. I have raised my HDL (the part of the "good" cholesterol that is only raised by exercising) from 29 three years ago to now 61. Yet the weight on my abd doesn't move, it just stays there.

Jessica


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Nov 14 2007 09:14:03
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echo, I hear you loud and clear. Just when you think you have found the right solution, you get "kick in the butt" and you have to regroup and start all over again. Only those who share the same frustrations understands, what you are going through. Others look at you as if you are crazy or simply a lazy overweight person. I am stuck again, and has to figure out what to do to start losing weight again. I am determine not to gain, so far I have maintained. I am back to exercising twice daily again. A friend has suggested a five day juice fast. I think I will try that. Wish me luck.

To that person with their inconsiderate comment


Reply author: debrock
Replied on: Nov 14 2007 10:04:11
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Southern Pearl - that's the same pain I was getting until I quit eating wheat. Within 3 days of stopping the wheat the pain was gone. Maybe your irritant is not the same as mine, but I'd bet if you can find out what the offending food(s) are yours will go away also.


Reply author: Restore
Replied on: Nov 14 2007 13:37:33
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Since losing the 80 pounds I gained as a result my gall bladder disease (I refused surgery), I have become a certified personal trainer and weight loss management consultant. I spent 5 years studying this gall bladder problem and found the answer in a magnesium-rich, high-fiber diet. Magnesium supplements will not have the same effect as food. I have clients and a waiting list 6 months long, and I am writing a book with my new diet and exercise program. I have already posted the answer to the gall bladder problem. My clients are looking younger and feeling better. I quit my legal job and now earn six figures putting women on the diet that DOES WORK. I won't post here anymore. I realize that many people lack the patience to get well and are looking for a quick fix and advice from someone who simply does not have the answer. These people will continue to suffer rather than get well.


Reply author: Restore
Replied on: Nov 14 2007 14:03:39
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Debby, thanks for the post to Professor Terry Bolin's website. Bolin is a professor with articles linked on his website to research and information about how to handle the effects of a high-fiber diet and bowel bacteria and disease - my points exactly. Here is a quote from the high-fiber article on his website:

"It is true that increasing fibre intake will produce more gas - that's a natural consequence," he said. "But it's a small price to pay for the contribution a high-fibre diet makes to protecting against colon diseases such bowel cancer and diverticular disease."

Professor Bolin will be one of the key speakers at a meeting of leading gastroenterologists from Australia, New Zealand and South Africa at the Tri-Nations Meeting in Mauritius from 20-26 March. The conference will be presented with the latest advances in diagnosis and treatment of gastrointestinal problems by experts around the world.

Professor Bolin, who is also President of the GUT Foundation, said that misunderstandings about how to incorporate more fibre in the diet could hinder attempts to improve eating patterns.

"A sudden increase in fibre intake such as wheat in the form of bread and pasta can cause abdominal bloating, discomfort and excessive flatulence," he said.

"This reaction is often erroneously attributed to wheat intolerance. The problems often resolve if fibre is introduced slowly with a gradual build up to the recommended daily intake of at least 30 grams a day. This allows the gut time to get used to the increase volume of gas produced from fibre digestion."

Here is a quote from the "bowel bacteria" article on his website:

"New technologies that 'mine' the gut for bacteria have revealed that microbes contained in the bowel have such a wide variety of functions they are equivalent to a newly discovered body organ, according to a key speaker at the 2nd Tri-Nations Meeting in Gastroenterology, Professor Fergus Shanahan."

"Professor Shanahan says that among the more than 400 species of bacteria in the bowel, some are capable of producing nutrients that protect against atherosclerosis. Others affect fat deposition which may influence the risk of obesity."

I will repeat what I originally posted here on page 39 - the problem with bloating is parasitical and answer lies within the diet, which will cure the gall bladder problem AND the bacteria problem. The bloating IS natural (just as the professor said) and will have its positive effect IF YOU ARE PATIENT.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Nov 14 2007 16:35:03
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quote:
Originally posted by Restore

Since losing the 80 pounds I gained as a result my gall bladder disease (I refused surgery), I have become a certified personal trainer and weight loss management consultant. I spent 5 years studying this gall bladder problem and found the answer in a magnesium-rich, high-fiber diet. Magnesium supplements will not have the same effect as food. I have clients and a waiting list 6 months long, and I am writing a book with my new diet and exercise program. I have already posted the answer to the gall bladder problem. My clients are looking younger and feeling better. I quit my legal job and now earn six figures putting women on the diet that DOES WORK. I won't post here anymore. I realize that many people lack the patience to get well and are looking for a quick fix and advice from someone who simply does not have the answer. These people will continue to suffer rather than get well.



first of all, WE ARE ALL ON HERE FOR HELP, congrats to your success..however..EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US are different..I assume you still have your gall bladder?? You said that you refused surgery..THAT"S GREAT!!! I wish I had the choice, but when you have a "doctor" saying it's a do or die situation and rushing you in, there's no time for surfing the net for info. Your situation is COMPLETELY different from a lot of us on here. We are LIVING W/O a gall bladder which is causing us problems. I am VERY ACTIVE, I was a body builder, and I have ALWAYS eaten TONS of fiber enriched foods and I have watched EVERYTHING that has gone in my body. I've never had a problem w/ weight until after my surgery. There is nobody on this forum that sits around on their butt doing nothing, I can guarantee you that! There is a difference between patience and the success that is supposed to come w/ patience...ALL OF US HAVE LOST OUR PATIENCE DUE TO THE LACK OF SUCCESS THAT THE DOCTORS HAVE SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS w/ Diets that don't work..If your diet works for people with the LACK OF a gall bladder, then fine, otherwise you may want to research a little longer and harder to find a solution to this problem..you may make millions!! I'm sure your diet is no different from the diet I've been on...lots of green veggies, whole grains and lean protein/including chix/turkey/ and /or beans (for vegetarians)My question to you is, why are you on this forum if you have no problems w/ the same thing?? Nobody on here ignores any of these posts and loves to suffer. I have had blood test after blood test, and even my own doctor is dumbfounded w/ my results. She has seen me at a size 3 and is confused how one becomes a size 10 within a month. I have kept a food journal and there is NOTHING that I am eating that could cause abnormal weight gain. In fact, I was asked if I am even alive w/ having a low cholestorol count and low blood pressure. ALL MY WEIGHT GAIN OCCURRED AFTER THE SURGERY! It's not because I changed my diet and started eating crap, it's not because I don't eat enough, it's not because I eat too much..it's none of those things. We are all on here for a reason and for answers..EVERYONE is listening except for the ones that think they have it all figured out. I assume you had a gall bladder flush or went on a diet that naturally kicked your gall bladder back to normal?? A lot of us didn't get that chance...so if you would like to post something that is a remedy, please do, otherwise, your comments do not pertain.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 14 2007 17:28:28
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quote:
Originally posted by Restore

I won't post here anymore.


Thank you Restore.

With all due respect, I do not believe you have all the answers as you say. In fact, as a thinking man I am generally skeptical of anyone who says they have all the answers, especially when the answer includes a link to a website that is a "one stop shop for over 12,000 professional brand products".

You implied that you had your gallbladder removed and I believe you were initially misleading when you said this:

"I gained 80 pounds and lost ALL OF IT. I now weigh 130lbs, which is less than I weighed BEFORE this nightmare."

Now we learn that you did not have your gall bladder removed and yet you claim to have all the answers for us when I know (from reading ALL the posts in this thread) that your advice would BLOAT the hell out of most people here...and yet you then tell them that their constant bloating is a good thing.

You also changed your username from n/a to Restore. Restore? Why change your username? Don't bother answering the question, it's rhetorical.

Personally, I still don't know what to say about your explanation of people be afflicted with worms....words fail me.

So please if you do read this, understand that people posting here are VERY SERIOUS about their situations and I now believe you are not here to help anyone but yourself.

I have no further interest in anything you might have to say about parasites, worms, and weight loss.

Edited to correct spelling errors...content was not changed.


Reply author: Restore
Replied on: Nov 14 2007 17:48:55
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I don't think I have it figured out - I do have it figured out. You are each suffering from the same thing and in this regard you are not different. My comments certainly do pertain. I refused surgery and the doctor did say it was 'do or die'. I did have the same problem and I lost the 80 pounds I gained. The diet does work for people with no gall bladder; I have several clients who gained weight with gall bladder surgery. I did post a remedy. I suffered for five, long, nightmarish years. I did not have a gall bladder flush. Nothing 'kicked' my gall bladder back to normal, and there is no such thing as 'kicked back to normal'. I'll bet my diet is different from yours. And my situation is not completely different, it is exactly the same.

You now have a different problem caused by your original problem: your colon is malfunctioning. It is malfunctioning because of an acute parasite/bacterial problem. Tend to that problem. You cannot lose weight with a bacteria-laden colon and an malfunctioning gall bladder. I did not get any results with everything I tried for the colon until I began to take Brewer's yeast. I am going to repeat myself right now (after saying this at least 3 times in this same forum). Brewer's yeast is a nutritional yeast that will drive out and replace the pathogenic yeast that has taken over your colon. I tried Yeast Fighters, volcanic ash, castor oil, cascara sagrada, coconut oil, probiotics, yogurt and some other things that don't come to mind. The only thing that drove out the pathogenic yeast was the Brewer's yeast. You say you eat a healthy diet already - buy yourself some Brewer's yeast tablets. Carlson makes the product I use. I take 12-24 a day. The weight loss began exactly 7 days later and has continued since. Like I said, I have my results. You can argue with me, disagree with me, become angry at me, but I have my results. I really don't understand why any of you would be peeved at me. I am not asking for money or anything else; I stumbled upon this forum and tried to give everyone what I already have. What do I have after being diagnosed with gall bladder disease, refusing surgery, gaining 80 pounds, and then studying for 5 years? I have my energy back, my figure back and my life back. The amazing thing is that no one is asking any questions, just basically telling me to shut up.


Reply author: Restore
Replied on: Nov 14 2007 17:58:33
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JAllen, you must be a very confused person. You say I 'implied' I had my gall bladder removed, and then respond as if I said I had it removed! If you have gall bladder disease or have the diseased gall bladder removed, you will have the same result - extreme weight gain and bloating. I conquered both of these.

Did you even read my post with the text from the professor, basically backing up everything I said? He said that the initial bloating from the high-fiber is natural! Did you read it? Did you?

Did you read his statement about bacteria in the colon causing weight gain? Did you read it? No, you did not!

JAllen, listen to yourself:

"I now believe you are not here to help anyone but yourself."

What? That statement borders on stupidity. Exactly what help am I getting, JAllen? I am GIVING help, JAllen - help you don't have to give, because the truth is, you don't know anything at all about this situation. Nothing. I have experience AND results.

Misery does indeed love company. Don't worry - I have no intention of posting to this forum again. Someone finds the answer to human suffering and gets told to shut up by people who have no answers at all. Amazing.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Nov 14 2007 18:49:51
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quote:
Originally posted by Restore

I don't think I have it figured out - I do have it figured out. You are each suffering from the same thing and in this regard you are not different. My comments certainly do pertain. I refused surgery and the doctor did say it was 'do or die'. I did have the same problem and I lost the 80 pounds I gained. The diet does work for people with no gall bladder; I have several clients who gained weight with gall bladder surgery. I did post a remedy. I suffered for five, long, nightmarish years. I did not have a gall bladder flush. Nothing 'kicked' my gall bladder back to normal, and there is no such thing as 'kicked back to normal'. I'll bet my diet is different from yours. And my situation is not completely different, it is exactly the same.

You now have a different problem caused by your original problem: your colon is malfunctioning. It is malfunctioning because of an acute parasite/bacterial problem. Tend to that problem. You cannot lose weight with a bacteria-laden colon and an malfunctioning gall bladder. I did not get any results with everything I tried for the colon until I began to take Brewer's yeast. I am going to repeat myself right now (after saying this at least 3 times in this same forum). Brewer's yeast is a nutritional yeast that will drive out and replace the pathogenic yeast that has taken over your colon. I tried Yeast Fighters, volcanic ash, castor oil, cascara sagrada, coconut oil, probiotics, yogurt and some other things that don't come to mind. The only thing that drove out the pathogenic yeast was the Brewer's yeast. You say you eat a healthy diet already - buy yourself some Brewer's yeast tablets. Carlson makes the product I use. I take 12-24 a day. The weight loss began exactly 7 days later and has continued since. Like I said, I have my results. You can argue with me, disagree with me, become angry at me, but I have my results. I really don't understand why any of you would be peeved at me. I am not asking for money or anything else; I stumbled upon this forum and tried to give everyone what I already have. What do I have after being diagnosed with gall bladder disease, refusing surgery, gaining 80 pounds, and then studying for 5 years? I have my energy back, my figure back and my life back. The amazing thing is that no one is asking any questions, just basically telling me to shut up.



Restore, nobody here wants to argue, however, your text "sounds" very negative..your quote:

" I won't post here anymore. I realize that many people lack the patience to get well and are looking for a quick fix and advice from someone who simply does not have the answer. These people will continue to suffer rather than get well."

Maybe you didn't realize it???

How would you expect someone to take this?? For one thing,..I receive these posts through my email and some of the posts do not come up on my end, so I believe a lot of us are having the same problem..also, to go back SEVERAL posts is time consuming especially if you have done it as many times as a lot of us had. So NOBODY is ignoring your remedy, and EVERYONE I'm sure is willing to try it. By the time I get a post in my email, pages of the forum have already been written.

Nobody's diet is the same. I've been on every single diet known to mankind and nothing is helping or if it does help, it's temporary. As I said, when I think I have it all figured out, the weight comes back on. Trust me, we all appreciate any feedback and we are willing to try anything..in fact, I will try the yeast and keep you updated..this is what we are all here for to try and try again.

Nobody wants you to shut up, I think you just didn't realize how your post came across to some of us..After being through everything we've been through and money forked out on doctors, doctors being jerks, begging for help, and thinking we have a miracle cure, it's hard to take anything serious anymore..I've gone from a size 3 to a 10 to an 8 to a 6 to a 10 to an 8 etc... I've got every single size of jeans in my closet now just to accompany my ups and downs!! I've gone from healthy to depressed and overweight in a matter of 10 months... so I will try the brewer's yeast as I have everything else...if it works, I will let you know..I am willing to do anything at this point, and I'm about ready to cut my freakin' head off!! lol!!


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Nov 14 2007 19:37:34
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Response, what kind of yeast should we get, the pure form or or caps? The debittered lacks the chromium so I know that is out of the question..are the caps debittered??


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Nov 14 2007 20:33:33
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restore, maybe if you did not sound so condescending, persons would listen to what you have to say. Have you not heard, it is all in the presentation. If you serve the the most tasty, mouth watering meal on cracked and dirty plates, chances are, no one would eat.


Reply author: maryc
Replied on: Nov 14 2007 20:37:17
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I had my gb out Nov 1st. I am now scared to death of gaining weight. I am 145 lbs and have been for 10 years. If I gain weight now I know it will be from having my this surger. I never was really in very much pain, but had it done because I did have gall stones per the doc. I was only out of work for 3 days. No pain. Very little bloating so far. I eat usually whatever I want. Now I wont.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 14 2007 20:49:46
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quote:
Originally posted by Restore

JAllen, you must be a very confused person. [etc..]

Guilty, on all counts! I am confused. And, I do not know what is going on with all these people who are experiencing this uncontrollable bloating and I don't understand why they can't get rid of their water weight through dieting & exercise and I'm dissapointed and astounded that the medical community can't seem to be able to help them or even acknowledge any problems beyond diet & exercise & script medications. If that makes me or my comments stupid, then I'll accept that label from you.

I'm here to ask questions and seek answers, not for my ego.

I can easily understand why the comments in my last post upset you. I would certainly be upset if someone said those things to me. But I will tell you something else Restore...if I were speaking the truth I wouldn't "take my marbles and go home" or say "I won't post here anymore" as punishment to those who challenged me. I would answer their challenge. And frankly, if you're going to be writing a book on this subject, well then I would think you would want to be fully challenged in advance. So, with that understanding and with genuine sincerity, I offer my apologies for deliberately offending you.

I'm sure you'll agree that it is appropriate for us to question the validity of what you are saying...for heavens sakes Restore...people have been dealing with this problem for YEARS now.

If what you say is true, then don't run away. Stick around and be a hero! I promise you that if your claims are true, and you do in fact have the very answer that everyone here has been looking for, then you can be sure that we will be your biggest supporters. We will shout and sing your praises from coast to coast and around the world.

So what's it going to be Restore? Will you hang around long enough for any of the doubters to try your program and report their results? I think you would agree that's fair? You were correct that I did not read your posts in entirety (mea culpa, I was starting to get the impression you were taking advantage of people who are serisously suffering and I think one could be forgiven for being a little angry at that??).

I will read your posts more completely and I'll check the sources you mentioned. I know someone who is willing to try ANYTHING to get rid of this awful bloating. And if it works, I promise you he will write a chapter for your book (and I promise you, few people can write as well as the person I'm thinking of).

Apology Accepted?


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 14 2007 21:11:14
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quote:
Originally posted by hoyte54

restore, maybe if you did not sound so condescending, persons would listen to what you have to say. Have you not heard, it is all in the presentation. If you serve the the most tasty, mouth watering meal on cracked and dirty plates, chances are, no one would eat.

I guess that's [a better way of saying] what I was trying to say in my prior lengthy post.

[edited for clarification]


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Nov 14 2007 22:37:02
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J.allen, I know I would DEFINITELY thank restore if the yeast works for me..I would even buy the book!! but as everyone feels here, it's become cumbersome trying every home remedy for something that even doctors have a hard time explaining and understanding. I've lost complete faith in the medical field, it's become so robotic and the human factor is at 0...
I know where you are coming from when you stated:
" I was starting to get the impression you were taking advantage of people who are serisously suffering and I think one could be forgiven for being a little angry at that??)."

there has been a lot of people coming on this forum trying to sell hoodia, etc...using this forum as a way to sell supplements, and doctors that insist that the weight gain is from us sitting on our butts eating bon bons...i'll be one happy camper when i can actually eat one bon bon w/o gaining 20 lbs the next day..lol!!

Restore is on to something, and excuse my pessimism, if it is truly all in good standings, i would love to learn more about it and read the book. I am at wits end, i'm depressed, angry, and quite frankly, i feel like crap every single day of my life. Sometimes i'd rather stay in bed and never see the light of day. I have never been so sick and miserable my entire life. I've gone from a healthy, active individual to chronic pain and constant weight gain. I've been on every vitamin supplement known to mankind and nothing has helped. I never changed my HEALTHY eating habits, only revised them to what DOCTORS THINK are healthy...I'm sorry but, 500 cal of protein a day is not healthy and i'm lucky i lived through it, because i couldn't lift my head off of my pillow! I don't feel like myself at all!!
I will definitely try the yeast and pray for the best. My brother is on HGR and he feels 100% better, has anyone here tried it??


Reply author: mizzmoze
Replied on: Nov 14 2007 23:37:34
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well if you have small gallstones with no inflamation and no symptoms,you can try grapefriut juice,lemon juice and olive oil 3 x day. crush apples into homeade appleasuce and drink apple juice through out the day.
do a coffee flush also in morning,or also make ice coffee,leave out the cream.(fat) irrates gallbladder!
Fatty,fried,junk foods,all irritate and further symptoms and problems. Stay away from them!

Gall flush is also promising for getting rid of them-put gall flush in browser to bring you to search engine to find site.
Eat salads,yogurt fruits and low fat healthy foods get off cholestrol medicine,major contributing factor in gallstones! if you changeyour diet you wont have to worry about chol too much.
Get off soda and chemical drinks. Drink water and juice and homeade herbal tea's,make your own herbal ice tea,using several different tea bags together.
Stay away from processed foods!

If you have large stones with symptoms and inflamation,it is suggested you remove the gallbladder asap to avoid further complications and risk for infection,pancreatitis and possible threat to your life,if you let it go,you will not be able to have laproscopic surgery,then you will need a large incision with a longer recovery time,and increase for further complication.

Stay away from fast food restaurants as well,study on children whom ate at fast food restaurants 3 or more times a week had gallbladder disease and gallstone at young ages,having surgery before age 15!

fill your fridge aand cupboards with only fresh veggies,can fruit in own juice,and fresh fruit and common sense foods.
self discipine is key here.
If you are worried about getting fat after surgery ,as gallbladder is responsible for breakdown of fats,chol,etc
get multi enzyme tabs,or papya enzymes,eat 2 3 with every meal,with h20,you will avoid diarhea and it will break down fats and support proper digestion,they are cheap and you can find them at drusgtore,walmart,and health food store,in store brand .
if you have bloating and distention now,use gas x strips or chews,do colon cleanse( natural from health food store) if you become constipated use stool softeners with gasx and use exlax only if stool softeners dont work-plenty of water!
dont wait for a gallbladder attack to do something!It' a painful experince like a heart attack or having a baby! good luck,I am having surgery nexy week. I will keep you al posted of all do's and dont's.
if you get surgery right away before you get inflamation or attacks,you will get laproscopic surgery,3 small incisions,and minial scarring,home in a day,if no complications,if you wait,then you will need to have incsion and opened up,and possible drsainage etc. and further problems.
make an appt. right away with a good surgeon whom is board certified and has a good reputation. ask questions,get other's opinion,educate yourself!
don't hesistate to try alternatives for those with small stones,and no inflamation.
I aslo heard there is sound waves to break them up,but reoccurance is likeley,but changing your diet,and doing gall flush might help!
stay well!


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Nov 15 2007 09:39:29
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Restore, I am interested in your protocol, as I'm sure many others are. Do you have any websites or links to information regarding the brewers yeast/parasite effect? Where did you find your info. on rebuilding the colon wall? I think that the liver is a major part of our problems, that it is congested with bile and needs to be cleansed and strengthened. What do you think about that? I think that our bodies work as an interdependent system and when one organ is missing, then the other parts must work harder.

I would like to read more about the things you have listed that work.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 15 2007 10:16:42
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Now this is getting interesting.


Reply author: Restore
Replied on: Nov 15 2007 17:05:52
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Email me at restoretoyouth@lycos.com and put your mailing address in the email. I will send you every piece of relevant research I have. It may take a couple of weeks; I receive many requests. One thing I can tell you now: eat a bowl of oatmeal for breakfast every morning. Oats are a powerful source of butyrate (food) for the colon. Have some berries or trail mix, and vanilla soy or vanilla almond milk in it. One thing you will notice from the oatmeal is how your head clears up in the morning. It stabilizes your blood sugar, another thing that goes out of whack with our type of illness. While you are waiting for the research in the mail, get yourself some Carlson's Brewers Yeast tablets. I order mine from the Life Extension Foundation (www.lef.org). They are only $6.50 a bottle! I only wish I had known about them years before; funny how the little cheap things work better than the expensive things. Now for the turning point: if you are on medication, please consult with your doctor first. Fish oil can interfere with medications. Order a product from Emerson Ecologics (www.emersonecologics.com) called Opti-EPA by Douglas Laboratories (be sure to get the enteric-coated brand - $22.40 a bottle). Take two with breakfast and two with dinner. At the end of seven days of the oatmeal, Brewers Yeast, and fish oil, you will know you are on to something powerful.

You would have a hard time believing me if I told you all of the physical ailments I have overcome. But I did overcome them. I remember the nights of tears, sitting at my computer during the wee hours of the night, searching for answers. I have my own medical research library - I have more than 1,000 research documents on my computer. And I don't mean garbage, either. Harvard, Yale, Johns Hopkins. You see, my life was at stake, and I became rather determined to find the answer. I once wore a size 6 and exploded to a size 24! It was truly the worst time of my life. I am happy to share with you what I now know.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 15 2007 17:11:33
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It seems there have been so many folks who found this website & thread, posted a few times, then stopped posting. I wonder if many of these same folks still read this thread from time to time, and I wonder if any of these same folks have given up on finding help here?

Looking back on the past few pages of this thread, I notice the following people (with more that a few posts) still active here:

dbon / debrock / echo / Hoyte54 / JessicaNRodger / justjay / mlr

If any of you guys try Restore's suggestions, I am anxious to hear about your results. I've re-read Restore's rebuttal to my challenge and am impressed with her confidence and one can't help but get the feeling that she is sincere. I would try this myself but as you know (or may not know) I'm not having this problem myself, I'm on here to help a good friend who has been suffering with this uncontrollable bloating for years. He (MisterEd) would probably post here himself, but he's at the gym right now and has a charity function to attend tonight and might not get an opportunity to post for a while. I did mention Restore's suggestions and he is very, very reticent about the whole thing. I think he is convinced that grains (corn & wheat & gluten products particularly) cause him unbearable bloating.

Restore, any more specific advice/encouragment you can offer regarding the types of foods should be eaten along with the Brewers Yeast?

Questions for Restore:

If someone does bloat from following your suggestions (and I know you said this was normal)...how long would you expect before the bloating goes down? I know everyone is different, but do you have a range that most people might fall into? If I recall correctly, you mentioned that your bloating steadily improved after you were on the Brewer's Yeast for 7 days. Did you experience continuous improvement after that? Was this improvement dramatic over a short period of time or more gradual?

Is it okay if we ask you more specific questions as they occur to us?


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 15 2007 17:13:12
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Oops...simulposting with Restore but can't read right now...gotta run & will read later.

(glad to see you didn't abandon us Restore )


Reply author: Restore
Replied on: Nov 15 2007 17:36:06
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A lot of people have trouble with corn, wheat and gluten. Oats do not fall into that category. Another thing: the healthier you get, the more you can tolerate foods you had problems with. Remember, the food is innocent - there is something wrong with you! That something is the level and type of bacteria in your colon. The body is inter-related; when one thing goes wrong, it produces a problem somewhere else. With us, our digestive system has gone completely south. Now, not only must the original problem be dealt with, the problems it produced must be dealt with, too.

Someone once said, "The answers to all problems are simple, once you know what the answers are". How true. I realize that I was forced to eat the way I should have been eating all my life. And there are things I once enjoyed I will never eat again. Like pizza. The bleached white flour that makes up the crust will forever be a problem to you and me. Try a corn crust pizza (available in the natural foods, frozen section). Or use tortilla chips as a crust (simply line a baking sheet with tortillas and use your own toppings, put under the broiler). See - you will need to get creative with whole foods. I have developed recipes I am happy to share. I couldn't eat anything without problems, so I had to get busy.


Reply author: Restore
Replied on: Nov 15 2007 17:49:08
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Questions for Restore from JAllen:

**If someone does bloat from following your suggestions (and I know you said this was normal)...how long would you expect before the bloating goes down?**

Thank you for asking that question. There are two types of bloat - the bad one swells your gut and puts on weight. The OTHER bloat, amazingly, will not put on the pounds. Try it to see what I mean. If you eat, say, a slice of pizza, the next morning you've gained 2-3-4 pounds. After a natural, whole grain food, you bloat, but gain no weight! This is the bloating you want. It is a 'healing' bloat, like the professor described in the article I posted. It is necessary. Just see to it that you are eating a whole food product. This bloat will disappear soon. It depends on how far 'gone' you are.

**I know everyone is different, but do you have a range that most people might fall into? If I recall correctly, you mentioned that your bloating steadily improved after you were on the Brewer's Yeast for 7 days. Did you experience continuous improvement after that? Was this improvement dramatic over a short period of time or more gradual?**

It was both dramatic and gradual. I noticed in trying things that if it was good for me, I got a good response right away, and the response got better the longer I took it. For instance, with the Brewer's Yeast, I got really 'peppy' and then began to have the 'runs' and my stomach began to shrink. By the 8th week, not only had my energy returned to the level I once had, but I was experiencing real change in my gut. This is graphic: more than 60% of our poop is bacteria. I read that when the gall bladder and liver act up, the entire digestive tract slows down and produces an over-growth of fungus and bacteria in the colon. I had things unidentifiable coming out of me, and I could eat things again I couldn't eat before. What was really exciting was when the scale began to come down and the weight loss ensued.

**Is it okay if we ask you more specific questions as they occur to us?**

YES. PLEASE DO.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Nov 15 2007 20:28:45
Message:

Restore, thank you for coming back on and I personally apologize if i had sounded skeptic..but as I said, we have been through the ringer and like you at one time, I go to bed in tears feeling there is no end in sight.
My question to you is I've been a LONG time consumer of plain fat free yogurt w/ fruit and kashi..is this ok in the morning? and as far as the brewer's yeast, I did a little research on it and found that the "debittered" is lacking chromium..does this matter???


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Nov 15 2007 20:33:12
Message:


This is where I had found out about the brewer's yeast:



http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/40235/the_health_benefits_of_brewers_yeast.html


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Nov 15 2007 20:34:13
Message:

maybe we can all sit back and have a beer now?????lol!! just kiddin'..I'm ordering the stuff tonight!!


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Nov 15 2007 20:39:38
Message:

I looked it up at the website and they're over $60 a bottle, am I looking at the wrong thing??


Reply author: mlr
Replied on: Nov 15 2007 23:46:39
Message:

My mind has been 'boggled' by the last few pages of posts - I have been away a few days. I guess I cannot comprehend why someone WITH a gall bladder would presume to post on a forum for folks WITHOUT one and then say they have ALL the answers.

I do agree that we should pay attention to our health(and the colon is vital to our health) and our diets.

But I think that I will say farewell for a while. I will wait until things calm down and get 'reasonable' again.

Thanks for all the posts and suggestions and I do hope we all find what works for us. Adios.

mlr

mlr


Reply author: Debby
Replied on: Nov 16 2007 03:06:31
Message:

I weighed myself this morning and I've lost the 800g (almost 1kg) that I put on over the past two weeks - still more to go but that is hopeful. It seems I may not have your problems after all. However I do still have a lot of other digestive problems, suffering from heartburn for about 20 years which medication seems to do nothing to prevent anymore. As well as this I have occasional bloating, indigestion, irritable bowel, constipation etc. I can be fine for ages but one acute attack of heartburn takes several days to get over, and I often feel just a little off. Maybe some of the tips Restore is suggesting will also be helpful for me. What do you think, Restore? Have you come across an answer to heartburn and other digestive probs in all your research?


Reply author: debrock
Replied on: Nov 16 2007 09:02:39
Message:

For Restore: If I am taking probiotics - is it safe to take the brewers yeast with that? I am feeling so much better and am afraid to give up the probiotics because they seem to be a big part of my solution (along with saying goodbye to wheat) but I want to lose this additional weight sooner than later.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 16 2007 09:10:34
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by mlr

My mind has been 'boggled' by the last few pages of posts - I have been away a few days. I guess I cannot comprehend why someone WITH a gall bladder would presume to post on a forum for folks WITHOUT one and then say they have ALL the answers.

I do agree that we should pay attention to our health(and the colon is vital to our health) and our diets.

But I think that I will say farewell for a while. I will wait until things calm down and get 'reasonable' again.

Thanks for all the posts and suggestions and I do hope we all find what works for us. Adios.

mlr



I believe I understand your feelings mlr, but I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say "I will wait until things calm down and get 'reasonable' again.". My mind has been boggled by all 46 pages of this thread, not just the last few pages. I do hope you'll reconsider and stick around and participate in the discussion (or at least keep up with it & comment later??). At the very least, you can be part of the "control group".

If I recall correctly, Restore is saying that having a gall bladder that is not working at all will result in the same or very similar symptoms/conditions that result from having one's gall bladder removed.

I was intrigued by Restore's comments regarding good bloat and bad bloat. I recall Ed being puzzled that sometimes he would bloat and his weight would not increase (or even go down), and other times he would bloat along with an increase in weight. We tried to make sense of that & his doctors offered no explanation. We had those discussions long before Restore joined in the open conversation in this thread and brought the issue up and provided explanations.

I am going to keep an open mind with respect to what Restore has to say. She has demonstrated that she is intelligent (I suspect I wouldn't be able to win a debate with her without having loads of time to prepare each response and a few researchers at my disposal)...she doesn't seem to mind being challenged...she is willing to share not only her experiences (in graphic detail) but also share her technical sources...and even though I might have been suspicious at first, I have no real reason to believe she is a shill or is here for any other reason than to help (maybe get more material for her book, which would be reasonable and fine with me if she were).

Even so, what will give Restore's advice/suggestions, heck I'll come out and say it SOLUTION(?), credibility in my mind will be if one or more of the more prolific posters who have been dealing with this report positive results that last (dbon / debrock / echo / Hoyte54 / JessicaNRodger / justjay / mlr). I think we will be watching and listening to what you guys have to say very closely.

(echo...for some reason Ed remembers your name & posts pretty well & says he resonates with your own symptoms...he told me just this morning "if echo loses weight following Restore's suggestions I'M ON IT")


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Nov 16 2007 09:17:11
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Restore

Email me at restoretoyouth@lycos.com and put your mailing address in the email. I will send you every piece of relevant research I have. It may take a couple of weeks; I receive many requests. One thing I can tell you now: eat a bowl of oatmeal for breakfast every morning. Oats are a powerful source of butyrate (food) for the colon. Have some berries or trail mix, and vanilla soy or vanilla almond milk in it. One thing you will notice from the oatmeal is how your head clears up in the morning. It stabilizes your blood sugar, another thing that goes out of whack with our type of illness. While you are waiting for the research in the mail, get yourself some Carlson's Brewers Yeast tablets. I order mine from the Life Extension Foundation (www.lef.org). They are only $6.50 a bottle! I only wish I had known about them years before; funny how the little cheap things work better than the expensive things. Now for the turning point: if you are on medication, please consult with your doctor first. Fish oil can interfere with medications. Order a product from Emerson Ecologics (www.emersonecologics.com) called Opti-EPA by Douglas Laboratories (be sure to get the enteric-coated brand - $22.40 a bottle). Take two with breakfast and two with dinner. At the end of seven days of the oatmeal, Brewers Yeast, and fish oil, you will know you are on to something powerful.

You would have a hard time believing me if I told you all of the physical ailments I have overcome. But I did overcome them. I remember the nights of tears, sitting at my computer during the wee hours of the night, searching for answers. I have my own medical research library - I have more than 1,000 research documents on my computer. And I don't mean garbage, either. Harvard, Yale, Johns Hopkins. You see, my life was at stake, and I became rather determined to find the answer. I once wore a size 6 and exploded to a size 24! It was truly the worst time of my life. I am happy to share with you what I now know.



It seems that you have been at this for a long time. I am very interested in what you have found out. Right now I occasionally take Carlson's cod liver oil in liquid form because it doesn't have any pcbs or contaminants. Is it necessary to take the enteric coated fish oil and what about contaminants?

What is your opinion on the role of cleansing the liver to aid digestion and bile flow? Have you done any parasite cleanses and what do you think about them? Does brewers yeast kill the parasites or just inhibit their existence? Wouldn't you need to rid yourself of them first?


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 16 2007 14:44:29
Message:

If I may, to sumarize the advice from Restore:

Problem: A significant number of people posting here or reading these threads have symptoms of uncontrolled bloating and weight gain. Each of these people developed these symptoms after having had their gall bladders removed and believe it is directly related to that surgery. These same people have not been helped by their doctors or anyone in the medical community and have tried various diets, lifestyle changes, and other things and have not found any way to solve this problem long term. It is assumed that people who find this thread are only a very small sample of an even larger number of people who are experiencing these very same symptoms after having their gall bladders removed.

Proposed solution from Restore:

Diagnosis: The cause of the bloating being discussed in this thread is parasitic in nature due to a malfunctioning colon which occurred as a secondary result of having your gall bladder removed (or having a malfunctioning gall bladder).

Solution: A magnesium rich, high fiber diet and brewers yeast.

Additional Comments/Suggestions:
*eat oatmeal for breakfast (berries, trailmix, vanilla soy or almond soy milk with it if desired)
*You can get relatively inexpensive brewers yeast tablets from the internet
*consume fish oil (if you're on medications check w/ your Dr first as it can interfere with some medications)
*After consuming a natural, whole grain food, you bloat, but gain no weight! This is the bloating you want. It is a 'healing' bloat.
*see to it that you are eating a whole food product. This bloat will disappear soon..
*avoid processed foods
*a vegetarian diet would be highly beneficial

Expected Results:
*At the end of seven days of the oatmeal, Brewers Yeast, and fish oil, you will know you are on to something powerful.
*The bloating will dissappear and your weight will begin to drop.


This seems simple enough. Do I have it about right Restore? Is there anything I've left off?


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Nov 16 2007 15:18:06
Message:

I found this on the web:

The Health Benefits of Brewers' Yeast
Nature's Wonder Food is Full of Vitamins and Nutrients
By Scott Kessman
Brewers' yeast has been used traditionally for centuries for the purpose of brewing beer and some winemaking. But although the product has been used for centuries, many are not aware of the remarkable health benefits imparted by brewers' yeast, which have earned it the suitable moniker of 'nature's wonder food',
Many people in the health community or those seeking a healthier diet with an abundance of nutritional element are turning to brewers' yeast as a daily addition. Because it is also low in fat, sodium, calories, and carbohydrates, it is also beneficial for those with diabetes and hypoglycemics.

Brewers' yeast is a natural source of Vitamin B complex and highly concentrated amounts of protein, as well as a wonderful spectrum of other healthy vitamins and minerals.

Brewers' yeast is usually recovered as a by-product of the brewing process, absorbing the chemicals, vitamins and nutrients from the other ingredients utilized in brewing beer, mainly grain, malt and hops. The resulting product, though quite healthy, is usually quite bitter. Many brands of brewers' yeast are labeled as debittered, but this process, which makes the yeast more flavorful, can also serve to remove some of the nutritional content.

A high nucleic acid count, a valuable commodity in regards to cell development, is present in brewers' yeast, as well as ample amounts of folic acid, potassium, thiamin, niacin, chromium (needed for the body to produce insulin), and much more.

The simplest way to add brewers' yeast to your daily diet is to add a tablespoon to fruit juice and drink it, but it can also be added to meals such as meat loaf, salads, casseroles, cereal, soup, and other foods. If possible, add the yeast at the end of the cooking process, or the vitamin B complex will be destroyed.

Consumption of brewers' yeast is also attributed to several health benefits, such as reduced stress, better metabolism and lower cholesterol. It can also help provide restful slumber and ease fatigue.

Brewers yeast can usually be found in health food and nutrition stores in both pure form and debittered, though remember, the debittered yeast will not have all the valuable vitamins and nutrients of pure brewers' yeast, and will most likely be absent of chromium.


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Ok, my question is, would it be better to purchase the bittered in powder form? Or are the caps that don't seem to have the Chromium (non-bittered)just as good?
I would think that the chromium plays a huge part in weight loss, but I'm sure it would be ok to take an additional Chromium supplement, I'm just wondering what else is missing from the de- bittered yeast?? If the yeast works that well, wouldn't it work better in pure form??
I found a website for Carsons brewers yeast 1000 caps for $23.00 it's at smallflower.com
The pure yeast i found on myvitanet.com by lewis labs, that's $10.09


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Nov 16 2007 17:26:35
Message:

Ok..after reading and reading and reading....I'm not convinced that the brewer's yeast will be a cure all for weight problems..Though it is high in protein and essential vitamins, chromium is the only "weight loss" element in the yeast THAT"S IF the yeast is bittered and in its pure form. ALSO, it states that you need extra calcium because of the high levels of phosphorous:

http://www.spineuniverse.com/displayarticle.php/article981.html


http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/brewers-yeast-000288.htm

make sure you read up because it interferes w/ some meds, especially some pain meds.

I'm gonna try the oatmeal/ brewer's yeast diet for a week anyway..just to see what happens.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 16 2007 19:47:41
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by echo

Ok..after reading and reading and reading....I'm not convinced that the brewer's yeast will be a cure all for weight problems..Though it is high in protein and essential vitamins, chromium is the only "weight loss" element in the yeast THAT"S IF the yeast is bittered and in its pure form. ALSO, it states that you need extra calcium because of the high levels of phosphorous:
...
make sure you read up because it interferes w/ some meds, especially some pain meds.

I'm gonna try the oatmeal/ brewer's yeast diet for a week anyway..just to see what happens.

echo,

I reread Restore's posts in this thread this afternoon, and if I'm correct, I think she might say that the brewer's yeast itself isn't necessarily the magic bullet, rather, the magic bullet is the intestinal environmental change that occurs after regular and daily consumption of brewers yeast if it is consumed along with a diet that is rich in magnesium and high in fiber.

Restore, does that sound about right?
[Edited to delete the unused space/lines in this post]


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Nov 17 2007 11:28:28
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by j.Allen

quote:
Originally posted by echo

Ok..after reading and reading and reading....I'm not convinced that the brewer's yeast will be a cure all for weight problems..Though it is high in protein and essential vitamins, chromium is the only "weight loss" element in the yeast THAT"S IF the yeast is bittered and in its pure form. ALSO, it states that you need extra calcium because of the high levels of phosphorous:
...
make sure you read up because it interferes w/ some meds, especially some pain meds.

I'm gonna try the oatmeal/ brewer's yeast diet for a week anyway..just to see what happens.

echo,

I reread Restore's posts in this thread this afternoon, and if I'm correct, I think she might say that the brewer's yeast itself isn't necessarily the magic bullet, rather, the magic bullet is the intestinal environmental change that occurs after regular and daily consumption of brewers yeast if it is consumed along with a diet that is rich in magnesium and high in fiber.

Restore, does that sound about right?
[Edited to delete the unused space/lines in this post]




jallen, what i was meaning was, everyone on here needs to do their research before they start taking something that could interfere w/ current meds they may be on. I don't want them thinking it will be an "over night" remedy. And if they don't take extra calcium, it could cause more problems.
My brother had his GB removed 4 years ago. He had no idea that having it removed had caused his weight gain. Long story short, he went on HGR and he has lost weight, his hair is thicker than ever, he feels like a million bucks, and he has more energy than what he did when he was 19. I did some research on the HGR and I am awaiting the arrival of 2 bottles. I'll try it and let everyone know how it works. These are a couple of websites that I looked at which include liver info (the major organ that is effected by GB removal)

http://www.h-ghr-gold.com/ghrplatinum/

http://www.gwwholesale.com/liver-cancer.htm
http://www.gwwholesale.com/liverghr.htm

Doctors have called this product GHR "youth in a bottle" it repairs our vital organs and works on our pituitary gland which can cause serious problems if it isn't functioning correctly.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 18 2007 06:17:35
Message:

Hi echo,

Good point about everyone needing to do their own research. And good luck with the brewers yeast, I really hope it works for you and for anyone else who's giving it a try.

I'll be preoccupied for about a week and won't be online.

Happy Thanksgiving (if you celebrate it)!

Best


Reply author: Cranekc
Replied on: Nov 28 2007 13:42:15
Message:

Hey Guys:

Please go to this link: http://www.healthfoodemporium.com/index_treatments.php

I am taking the Ultra Primal Defense (3 times a day) and Ultra Omegazyme Enzymes with meals. I am down to 110 lbs in one week! Restore was right on the money about probiotics! No more bloating, gas, or weight gain. I can eat whatever I want and be normal again!

Good Luck! Karen


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Nov 29 2007 08:48:45
Message:

How many lbs did you say you lost in a week??? More details please.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 29 2007 09:48:32
Message:

Hi Karen,

Thanks for posting! I noticed you had 8 posts, so I searched back and collected them all (since your first post on July 7th) and reread them. [pages: 25, 26, 27, 34, 35, and 47] From reading your posts, you strike me as someone who is very credible, and I am intrigued with what you have discovered. In fact, I went ahead and ordered the probiotics and enzymes you recommended and they will be shipped overnight for Ed (early Christmas present).

Like Hoyte54, I'm also very curious to know more about your personal story, including details about how much weight you lost over what period of time. Also, I'd be curious to know what you think of Restore's suggestion of consuming brewers yeast. One difference between your suggestions and Restore's is that Restore advocates a much more careful diet (magnesium rich, high fiber diet along with the brewers yeast), while you are saying that you have found you're still able to eat delicious foods like lasagne along with the probiotics and enzymes and maintain your desired weight. Would that be correct?

Also, in your prior posts you mentioned several other things you've tried (such as Livatone, etc..). Are you still taking any of those items?


Reply author: Cranekc
Replied on: Nov 29 2007 10:12:43
Message:

Hey Guys:

I have tried everything under the sun. After my surgery, I went from 114 lbs to 125 in less than 1 month. Like most of you, I NEVER had a problem with weight gain until AFTER the surgery. I was devastated, depressed - you name it. I immediately started researching and have tried many supplements that helped to bring it down some and control it somewhat. But as always, my weight fluctuated. I managed to keep it around 117 lbs with enzymes, fibertone and livatone plus, but couldn't control it totally. I started reading the postings from restore and it made a lot of sense, so I started researching about probiotics and came across the healthfoodemporium site where Kathy had gone through the same thing after her surgery. So, what the hell, I've tried everything else, why not this? So, I take the Ultra Primal Defense 3 times a day on an empty stomach with a full glass of water and Ultra Omegazyme (2 with each meal). I was at 116 lbs when I went down to 110 lbs. in one week after taking these supplements. NO MORE BLOATING, NO MORE GAS, NO MORE WEIGHT GAIN. I feel normal again and I can eat the way I want. More energy and overall healthy. I am forever grateful for Restore's postings. I think that the yeast has the same effects, but I like taking the Primal Defense. Good Luck to all, and please let me know if these products have worked for you as well! Karen


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 30 2007 08:30:46
Message:

Thank you again Karen.

Echo:

How are you doing on the brewer's yeast? Any luck so far?


Reply author: Restore
Replied on: Nov 30 2007 13:34:41
Message:

JAllen, thank you for summarizing my posts. You have nailed it! Along with the probiotics recommended by Cranekc, not only will weight loss occur, but will proceed on its own. Now, add exercise 3-4 times per week, and depending on how much weight you have to lose, in a few months you should have your health back! It took me 5 months to lose 80 pounds.

Thanks to all of you for your persistence. I feel we have banded together and presented a real solution to this incredible problem. I am sorry for the poster who said that he/she will not come back. FOR THE REST OF YOU, I HAVE PUT TOGETHER AN IMPRESSIVE LIST OF DOCUMENTS YOU WILL WANT TO READ. EVEN THOUGH A FEW OF THE DOCUMENTS SAY 'GALLBLADDER' YOU WILL REALIZE THAT IT WILL WORK WHETHER YOU HAVE A GALLBLADDER OR NOT. Please email me at restoretoyouth@lycos.com. THANKS!!


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Nov 30 2007 16:20:08
Message:

JAllen...I've been on the Brewer's yeast for 3 days...I gained 8lbs..I lost 12lbs in one week PRIOR to the yeast, and gained 8lbs back in the 3 days. ??????????? I've also been on the probiotics, at first I had lost weight, then it stopped and i started gaining...I'm eating Kashi and plain yogurt, and protein w/ veggies at night..I don't know what to do..I'm about ready to lose it!! I'm hoping that the yeast may be causing the gain temporarily, maybe Restore can help me w/ that?? Maybe your friend Ed and I have something more going on..I don't know..I know my Dr. is befuddled, my blood work is PERFECT, my Cholesterol is only 121 which she asked me if I eat at all..and my body fat is only 2% over what I should be...but yet, I'm 3x bigger than I was, and heavier.. I'm in a size 8 now, when before I was a 3-4...this is very upsetting, I was very excited to have lost the weight and then to gain it back 3 days later is giving nothing to believe in...Sorry, I wish I had better news..still looking for answers...


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Nov 30 2007 21:22:50
Message:

Echo,

I'm so sorry to hear of this. I do know that Ed is extremely concerned about taking brewers yeast because he firmly believes that gluten is causing him to bloat/gain big time (along with corn products/corn syrup/corn solids etc...).

I'm a bit confused as I was expecting that you might be bloated (temporarily) but without weight gain(?). I seem to recall Restore saying there will be a temporary bloat that should reverse after about 7 days.

Ed ate a salad today (for first time in ages) and BLOATED! Today, he did received the enzymes and probiotics that I ordered for him and took one of each tonight & will start on those tomorrow.

I really feel for you guys and sure do hope the brewers yeast / enzymes / probiotics will work for you. Working out and exercising will NOT be a problem with Ed (in fact, he's working out too much in my opinion...trying like hell to get rid of that awful bloating).

I know Ed will be in the office at some point in the morning tomorrow Echo, so give him a call with the number I gave you if you need someone to talk to.

Again I'm sorry you're dealing with the bloating & weight gain.

Restore, what do you think?????


Reply author: Restore
Replied on: Dec 01 2007 13:56:43
Message:

Echo says "...I've been on the Brewer's yeast for 3 days...I gained 8lbs..I lost 12lbs in one week PRIOR to the yeast, and gained 8lbs back in the 3 days. ??????????? I've also been on the probiotics, at first I had lost weight, then it stopped and i started gaining..."

Think about this: you say you lost weight on the probiotics, stopped it, then gained weight and that you gained 8lbs taking Brewer's Yeast. Echo, it is not the Brewer's Yeast that is causing weight gain! Eight pounds in 3 days is a dietary issue. You mention what you eat for breakfast and what you eat at night, but you say nothing about what you have been eating for lunch. I strongly suspect that you need to look at lunch. If you are continuing to eat pizza, frozen dinners or fast food, you should start eating a high-fiber lunch. DO NOT THINK THAT PROBIOTICS AND ENZYMES ARE THE ANSWER HERE. They are only PART of the answer. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS WHAT YOU EAT - NOT WHAT YOU TAKE! Brewer's Yeast is an addendum to the diet, not the cure itself. THE DIET IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. Do not think you can eat whatever you want and pop pills and lose weight. Echo, I would like for you to tell us what you have been eating for lunch, since you did not tell us before.

JAllen, Brewer's Yeast does NOT contain gluten.


Reply author: Restore
Replied on: Dec 01 2007 14:08:37
Message:

Echo, stop eating yogurt. This dairy product can really interfere with your colon because of the milk sugar. For someone else who is not having severe colon problems, it could help maintain colon flora, but not you. Any amount of extra sugar from any source will bloat you.

You must be strict with diet because you are trying to heal your digestive organs. It will not 'kick in' - it needs to be healed and that will take determination to stick with the diet. There is no quick fix where you can take something and PRESTO! - be cured. Send me your email address to restoretoyouth@lycos.com. You too, JAllen.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Dec 02 2007 08:11:26
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Restore

Echo says "...I've been on the Brewer's yeast for 3 days...I gained 8lbs..I lost 12lbs in one week PRIOR to the yeast, and gained 8lbs back in the 3 days. ??????????? I've also been on the probiotics, at first I had lost weight, then it stopped and i started gaining..."

Think about this: you say you lost weight on the probiotics, stopped it, then gained weight and that you gained 8lbs taking Brewer's Yeast. Echo, it is not the Brewer's Yeast that is causing weight gain! Eight pounds in 3 days is a dietary issue. You mention what you eat for breakfast and what you eat at night, but you say nothing about what you have been eating for lunch. I strongly suspect that you need to look at lunch. If you are continuing to eat pizza, frozen dinners or fast food, you should start eating a high-fiber lunch. DO NOT THINK THAT PROBIOTICS AND ENZYMES ARE THE ANSWER HERE. They are only PART of the answer. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS WHAT YOU EAT - NOT WHAT YOU TAKE! Brewer's Yeast is an addendum to the diet, not the cure itself. THE DIET IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. Do not think you can eat whatever you want and pop pills and lose weight. Echo, I would like for you to tell us what you have been eating for lunch, since you did not tell us before.

JAllen, Brewer's Yeast does NOT contain gluten.




First of all Restore, as i have made it clear as day, I DO NOT SNACK...I have been eating PLAIN FAT FREE YOGURT w/ KASHI OR FRUIT FOR BREAKFAST AND LUNCH. I've had no pizza,etc..And I am a bit offended at your comment "do not think you can eat whatever you want and pop pills to lose weight" If you read my posts you will see that I preach the same thing, none of these supplements are "diet pills"..so please do your research before making ridiculous comments. It's enough that I hear the same crap from these idiot doctors as far as "what are you eating?, you're probably snacking, etc...". I would be doing no justice to myself if I was sitting on my &*%@!! eating bon bons and complaining where my weight is coming from. I surely would not be wasting my time on a forum trying to get answers to this problem if i've been the problem all along. I know what I eat and watch what goes into my body and always have. I'm not a glutton for punishment and I NEVER over eat especially w/ this problem. This problem has completely baffled me and has grown weary on me.. Finally, one doctor is taking me serious. My present doctor has seen unusual weight gain/loss.Anywhere from 5-12 within a week..THAT IS NOT NORMAL! And to be ONLY 2% over my normal body fat?? I weigh 167 and wear a size 8...I weighed 140 and wore a size 3/4..I have a lot of muscle from when I used to body build, so I understand why I weigh so much..I do not understand why I'm gaining and losing such large amounts in a week period. And TRUST ME the plain fat free yogurt is not causing the problem...I've gone up and down in weight on EVERY SINGLE DIET KNOWN TO MANKIND!This has ONLY been AFTER the removal of my GB. This has gotten even more frustrating!!!


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Dec 02 2007 11:19:43
Message:

Restore, sometimes your words seem a little patronizing and presumptuous. Perhaps you are not aware of how they come across in a written forum format? It is as if a doctor or teacher just cast fault and blame upon a patient or student.

Are we to understand now that the yogurt was cause for the 8 pounds in 3 days weight increase that Echo experienced?

Perhaps my summary of your diagnosis and solution wasn't so good after all? Are there any other foods besides yogurt which absolutely must be avoided in order to lose weight with the magnesium rich high fiber with brewers yeast diet? Would you be so kind as to write out a simple list of foods that are acceptable and those that are not?

Echo, Again I'm very sorry you're going throw this weight gain. In your mind, is there a definite association with weight gain and brewers yeast? I know that Ed also consumes yogurt and I don't believe it ever caused him to bloat? Wheat/gluten/corn products/salad all cause him to bloat nearly immediately. Also, how would you describe this 3 lb weight gain? Is it that 'water balloon' or basketball kind of bloat in and/or around the upper part of your abdomen? Are you going to continue taking the brewers yeast?


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Dec 02 2007 12:47:53
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Jallen..if anything i believe the yogurt is keeping my intestines in tuned..the weight is mostly in my abdomen and it's a hard bloat almost like a cambodian orphan..it comes and goes, i weigh myself in the morning and by the evening i'm almost 8 pounds heavier..i got excited when i lost 12 lbs, i went down to 156, then the following day i was 164..this is CONSTANT...i've lost my appetite and have to force myself to eat, the only thing i've been able to stomach is the yogurt, by night time i dread eating meat and veggies but eat it because i know i need to. i don't believe the yeast is causing the problems because i had the same problems before. it's just annoying and a pain to have to jump in between 2 sizes in one day


Reply author: edeegay
Replied on: Dec 03 2007 02:37:55
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I came across this forum when I googled problems losing weight after gall bladder surgery. I'm steady gaining gaining gaining and can't in most cases keep anything down??? I had hysterectomy at age 30 and I had the gallbladder surgery at age 29. I had an extreme case of endometriosis after having my boys. I'm getting very disappointed as the days go by. I'm over 200 now..in a size 20 and it's killing me. I don't have any energy to play with my boys I have to make myself get out of bed. It's causing me to be really depressed as well. I don't know what to do??? Any help??? anyone can give me???

thanks
EDee


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Dec 03 2007 09:05:00
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Edee,

Can you share a few more details with us? How long have you been dealing with this problem? You mentioned you had the gall bladder surgery at age 29...how old are you now? Were you able to lose weight by diet & exercise prior to having your gall bladder removed?

Would you list typical foods you might consume for breakfast, lunch, dinner, etc..?

Do you also experience the firm uncomfortable bloating that some folks have mentioned after certain foods/meals? It seems to me that some folks might experience different symptoms, i.e. Ed is very regular and does not have problems with gas/diarrhea that some folks have mentioned, but does have periodic problems with bloating (associated with eating wheat/corn/gluten/salads/certain vegetables and fruits), and is unable to lose weight no matter how much he exercises.

What else can you tell us about your own situation?


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Dec 03 2007 09:38:01
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Restore,

THANK YOU very much for sending me the research documents! I really appreciate it.

I haven't read them yet, but did print them out and glanced through them (and provided a copy to Ed who will be reading them shortly).

This past weekend, Ed decided to go back on a medically supervised liquid nutrition diet (called OPTIFAST). He's been on it 2 days already and has put on 3 lbs since these last 2 days. I mean can you believe this??? Gaining 3 lbs on a liquid nutrition diet! Who has heard of such a thing? It's crazy I tell you...and still the doctors don't seem to be able to want to deal with this as a condition (Is it because they simply don't know how to treat it? Are they embarassed that they don't have enough technical knowledge and skill to help diagnose and treat this problem, or are they simply indifferent, or is there some other explanation?).

It seems to me, that people who are having bloating/weight problems after having had their gall bladders removed will be reluctant to stick with your plan Restore, because (at least for Echo & Ed) it will cause an immediate uncomfortable bloat, and as you can see, they will gain weight and go up several sizes in a day. I think I would also be reluctant to continue something that causes me to bloat uncomfortably, and yet you say this is part of the healing process. Can you speak a bit more about this aspect? Are you sure that the uncomfortable bloating that will inevitable happen with these folks is only temporary and is in fact really a good thing...a real and necessary part of the healing process as you say? I've not experienced that kind of bloating myself, but I can tell you that Ed describes it as hell.

By the way, Echo, Ed can really relate to having to wear different size clothes in the same day, let me tell you!). He also has "emergency trousers" on hand to deal with that very situation you describe.

Restore, I've bumped heads with you before, but honestly, I'm starting to think you really might be on to something. The diet you advocate certainly sounds very healthy, and what I've already read by glancing through the research documents you shared seem to make a lot of sense on intuitive and common sense levels (I'm not an expert in gastro-intestinal matters). I'll say it again, I think the reluctance will be dealing with the (temporary?) bloating. Also, you've said that this type of bloating will not be associated with weight gain, and I'm not really sure about that. From what I've observed from watching Ed over the years is that he will certainly gain weight from eating grains and whole foods and brewers yeast (and by the way, I was sure that brewers yeast contain gluten products??)

Echo, are you still willing to be the guinea pig for Restore's solution? (I guess that would mean you would have to forego the yogurt for a while). Have you checked out Restores research documents? I can also send them to you if you haven't received them yet.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Dec 03 2007 13:00:33
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Jallen...of course I'd try it...but a little WEIRD news, I've lost 16lbs since my last posting about gaining 12lbs...???????????????????? using the same scale, yadda yadda..WHAT THE (excuse my french) F@#*!!!!!????
Now it's great and everything, but it's making me worry that something else is very seriously wrong, and I'm afraid that tomorrow I'll be 16lbs heavier......This is not human, this is something of another world..LOL!! Your body can only hold in excess of 7lbs of water weight, how is it that I'm gaining 12, losing 16 and God only knows what tomorrow brings....????


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Dec 03 2007 13:08:18
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quote:
Originally posted by edeegay

I came across this forum when I googled problems losing weight after gall bladder surgery. I'm steady gaining gaining gaining and can't in most cases keep anything down??? I had hysterectomy at age 30 and I had the gallbladder surgery at age 29. I had an extreme case of endometriosis after having my boys. I'm getting very disappointed as the days go by. I'm over 200 now..in a size 20 and it's killing me. I don't have any energy to play with my boys I have to make myself get out of bed. It's causing me to be really depressed as well. I don't know what to do??? Any help??? anyone can give me???


thanks
EDee



Edeegay
All I can say is hang in there, you've got tons of support on this forum and all of us are trying different methods, it's what works for you..I do suggest getting bile salts, enzymes, and calcium pyruvate..and IF you can take brewer's yeast,(read about the list of meds it can interfere with first along w/ any other supplement, ie bile salts, pyruvate etc..) try that as well.
I don't know if it's the pyruvate or brewers yeast that's helping me (though I go up and down lbs) because i started taking them at the same time. Just know we are all here for you and know that you are DEFINITELY not alone ..one way or another one or more of us will find a solution



Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Dec 03 2007 13:13:04
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Wow, that's incredible Echo!

I assume you're still taking the brewers yeast. Have you cut out the yogurt or are you still eating it? What about meat, are you eating red meat? What have you been eating from the time you lost this 16 pounds?


Reply author: MisterEd
Replied on: Dec 03 2007 13:19:05
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Echo,
I am intrigued. Tremendously so. Tell me exactly what you are doing to effect the loss! Like you, my weight shifts and swings are dramatic, and I would tend to be skeptical, as you are, that tomorrow is going to being another surprise. But if you will tell me what you are doing, I will attempt to replicate your diet and see if it has the similar impact for me.

Are you doing the brewer's yeast? Frankly, I am afraid to try it, but will swallow my fears and will try anything to have some results. Recently, the PA in my doctor's office measured my belly on a Tuesday appointment and weighed me in, and did the same on my return visit on Thursday two days later. My swollen belly was eight inches larger and the scales were up eleven pounds in the two days. The doctor just shook his head and said "I simply do not know why." I just completed another full physical and all is well, one more time, except for the volatile weight swings and belly swelling.

So, what were you doing to lose the pounds like that in one day? Frankly, I think that even a one-day loss would be psychologically importatnt for me to experience. Just once! Just to have the experience of the physical fact that it COULD happen! Just once!

Let me know, please.


Reply author: bauerjan
Replied on: Dec 03 2007 14:19:04
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quote:
Originally posted by Restore

Moonscapes and everyone else: I gained 80 pounds and lost ALL OF IT. I now weigh 130lbs, which is less than I weighed BEFORE this nightmare.

You need a high-fiber vegetarian diet, fish oil and Brewer's yeast. Honestly, this is what turned the corner for me. I ate 3 square and lost a pound a day. If you don't know how to do a vegetarian diet, get a book on it. Don't try to 'wing it', hoping for results. Your gall bladder and colon are severely damaged, and the ONLY CURE is the proper diet and supplements. I went from doctor to doctor, and ended up talking to doctors in Europe and Japan. No one knew what was wrong with me. I studied for 5 years before I found an answer. This is what lead me to the vegetarian diet and the supplements.

THE BLOATING IS CAUSED BY PARASITES IN YOUR COLON. And trust me, they are many and varied! Once the diet and Brewer's yeast took hold, things came out I couldn't identify if I tried (upon study, I found out these were worms!). Any bloating you get after getting a whole grain product is actually good: bacteria is destroyed by the butyrate formed in the colon by whole grains. It will be followed by what seems like diarrhea - it is actually the expulsion of worms.

I recently posted under another name on page 39. It starts with the sentence 'I gained 80 pounds'. Read it. I worked very hard to find out what was wrong with me and I thank God everyday that I have my life back. One more word about the parasites: the toxic bile entering into the colon (and damaging the colon walls) has created an environment that worms and parasites thrive in. You are gaining weight so rapidly because your body is trying to protect you from auto-intoxication by gathering water into your colon. That's right - all that water weight gain is saving your life! Eat the diet, take the Brewer's yeast and get rid of the parasites for weight loss and new life. I am not guessing - I have my results after studying for many years. See page 39 on this topic for how I did it.


Reply author: bauerjan
Replied on: Dec 03 2007 14:24:13
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@ Restore

I found your article very interesting.
Perhaps, you might be able to help my daughter.

She had her gallbladder removed recently and is still experiencing problems with digestion - Severe pain after eating certain foods.

Could you suggest a diet; Is the diet you recommended in your contribution adequate? Does it require some modification?

Many thanks

Petra










quote:
Originally posted by Restore

Moonscapes and everyone else: I gained 80 pounds and lost ALL OF IT. I now weigh 130lbs, which is less than I weighed BEFORE this nightmare.

You need a high-fiber vegetarian diet, fish oil and Brewer's yeast. Honestly, this is what turned the corner for me. I ate 3 square and lost a pound a day. If you don't know how to do a vegetarian diet, get a book on it. Don't try to 'wing it', hoping for results. Your gall bladder and colon are severely damaged, and the ONLY CURE is the proper diet and supplements. I went from doctor to doctor, and ended up talking to doctors in Europe and Japan. No one knew what was wrong with me. I studied for 5 years before I found an answer. This is what lead me to the vegetarian diet and the supplements.

THE BLOATING IS CAUSED BY PARASITES IN YOUR COLON. And trust me, they are many and varied! Once the diet and Brewer's yeast took hold, things came out I couldn't identify if I tried (upon study, I found out these were worms!). Any bloating you get after getting a whole grain product is actually good: bacteria is destroyed by the butyrate formed in the colon by whole grains. It will be followed by what seems like diarrhea - it is actually the expulsion of worms.

I recently posted under another name on page 39. It starts with the sentence 'I gained 80 pounds'. Read it. I worked very hard to find out what was wrong with me and I thank God everyday that I have my life back. One more word about the parasites: the toxic bile entering into the colon (and damaging the colon walls) has created an environment that worms and parasites thrive in. You are gaining weight so rapidly because your body is trying to protect you from auto-intoxication by gathering water into your colon. That's right - all that water weight gain is saving your life! Eat the diet, take the Brewer's yeast and get rid of the parasites for weight loss and new life. I am not guessing - I have my results after studying for many years. See page 39 on this topic for how I did it.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Dec 03 2007 21:04:03
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quote:
Originally posted by j.Allen

Wow, that's incredible Echo!

I assume you're still taking the brewers yeast. Have you cut out the yogurt or are you still eating it? What about meat, are you eating red meat? What have you been eating from the time you lost this 16 pounds?





hey jaalen and mr ed...I'm still skeptical because of the constant fluctuation..but all I eat is plain fat free yogurt and kashi for morning and afternoon and at night i eat a piece of meat w/ veggies..i've cut out white flour and sugar COMPLETELY..also I've been taking calcium pyruvate, approx 2,000mg, I've been using the brewers yeast, enzymes, and if i eat any starch i make sure it's multigrain and i take a carb blocker 10 min. before i eat a starchy meal. But honestly, this weight fluctuation at such large amounts is very strange...i'm going to my Dr. tomorrow to have tests run..I've been SUPER tired and having some female troubles, i don't know if the pills are what's helping or what..


Reply author: Cranekc
Replied on: Dec 03 2007 21:15:59
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Hey Guys:

Just wanted to share this article that i found:

Having not enough bile inside intestines will affect intestinal flora. It may also make you more susceptible to intestinal parasites. Did you know that 80% of people have intestinal parasitic animals ? Once parasites get into your bowel system, they eat your nutrients, they secret toxins. You absorb those toxins. Toxins from parasites also kill intestinal flora, beneficial bacteria like Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Bifidumbacter Bifidus, ...Without intestinal flora, Candida Albicans and other yeast grow inside your bowel without control. Toxins produced by Candida yeast family can cause numerous diseases. Candida can escape from the bowel, and cause a lot of troubles on your skin, inside your muscles (Fibromyalgia, CFS), inside your brain (brain fog), and generally decrease your immunity. making you more susceptible to any other infection. Without intestinal flora, your digestion is not going to prepare nutrients from the food, for absorption. Your bowel digestion is going to prepare toxins for absorption.

This verifies the problems that we have after gallbladder removal and why it is so important to take a probiotic like Primal Defense. It has definitely taken away all of my symptoms. I would have never thought that it was something so simple, but it is. I have been eating whatever I want and keeping the weight off.

Good luck everyone


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Dec 04 2007 09:44:10
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Hello Echo,

I really understand your skepticism given the fluctuations, and I'm sorry to hear you're also having to deal with other health issues. I was glad to read that you now have a doctor who acknowledges your problem and I really hope this doctor will be able to help find a solution to this bloating and weight gain problem.

In fairness to Restore's plan, it would be correct to say that we shouldn't consider you a true guinea pig for Restore's plan since you're still consuming yogurt and meat. From what I've read in the documents she sent, she and others are advocating a very, very strict diet that would absolutely eliminate red meat and dairy products (except for butter, apparently) for about 3 months to give the lining in the small intestine time to heal and to change the bacterial environment of the digestive system to one that is more healthy. (Much more information regarding the bacterial/flora environment can be found in those documents she provided)

I believe Ed was so impressed with your 16 lb weight loss, and so disgusted with his 4 lb weight gain on the liquid diet that he has decided to go ahead and give Restore's solution a fair shake. He's going to consume only whole foods and the brewers yeast and other supplements suggested by Restore [i.e., oatmeal, fruits, vegatables, brown rice, beans, fish, fish oil, ect..] for a time and see what happens. I believe he's looking for that miraculous weight loss to begin around day 7-10 after following this diet strictly and faithfully.

We'll see how it goes!


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Dec 04 2007 11:31:18
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Jallen...I am basically on a whole foods diet, I don't eat red meat, I eat chicken and turkey (sometimes), and fish. I consider anything from animals "meat". So when I say a piece of meat i'm meaning turkey, fish or chicken.. The only thing other is the yogurt, as the research goes for the intestines (Cranekc's post) acidophilis (found in yogurt) is needed in the processing of foods it kills all bad bacteria and candida yeast..That's why I won't stop eating it..I don't eat the sugary yogurts only the PLAIN one. Basically whole fat plain yogurt is better, but I go for the fat free because of worrying about weight gain. I eat my veggies at night, I need to eat raw carrots and other raw veiggies during the day, but lately I haven't been able to stomach much..as i said, something else is wrong..hopefully they find it today.
Tell Ed "good luck" for me, he'll do fine... that diet is actually the best diet to be on (Restore's diet)You're cutting out white flour, sugar, and you eat a lot of RAW veggies, raw veggies are better because they have natural enzymes that break down fats, etc..they say if you eat raw veggies PRIOR to eating a meal, it will help you lose weight..I have a hard time eating raw veggies because of my lifestyle, I'm hardly ever home, so that's why I bought the enzymes in a bottle, I take one before each meal..


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Dec 04 2007 11:36:12
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Thanks for clarifying that Echo.

Would you believe one of the first thoughts I had this morning was "I wonder if Echo dropped more weight?"

As for the Brewers Yeast, Ed got whatever they had at the local health food store just to get started quicker. I think he said he took 12 tablets this morning with his oatmeal???

I might need to go back & re-read, but do you happen to know if Restore is recommending taking 12 tablets for each "meal". In other words, is he actually supposed to take 36 brewers yeast tablets a day?


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Dec 04 2007 16:42:55
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quote:
Originally posted by j.Allen

Thanks for clarifying that Echo.

Would you believe one of the first thoughts I had this morning was "I wonder if Echo dropped more weight?"

As for the Brewers Yeast, Ed got whatever they had at the local health food store just to get started quicker. I think he said he took 12 tablets this morning with his oatmeal???

I might need to go back & re-read, but do you happen to know if Restore is recommending taking 12 tablets for each "meal". In other words, is he actually supposed to take 36 brewers yeast tablets a day?



i think restore said she was taking 12-24 tabs a day...i got back from the doc's office and gained 3 lbs...VERY FRUSTRATING!! However, I have to get a colonoscopy, I've had ulcerative colitis in the past so she thinks that it may have come back and that's the reason for the on and off bloat w/ weight gain and weight loss. I guess i'll find out..anyway I hope it works for Ed.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Dec 04 2007 18:42:14
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Regarding that colonoscopy...

I had my first one last year, and in addition to being very wary of the whole procedure I had a proctologist with a sense of humor. I had decided I wanted to be sedated but awake/aware during the procedure (I hate the idea of being "out")...anyway...upon being wheeled into the exam room I noticed a huge black rubber looking cable with attachments & stuff and I remarked how surprised I was about the length of the cable (which I thought was very unecessarily long & large looking and was really hoping that wasn't the instrument that was going to be used for my procedure). His reply "Oh that one, that's our pediatric model."

(I don't think proctologists should share their sense of humor with their patients)


Reply author: heavenlyang21
Replied on: Dec 04 2007 19:15:29
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Hey everyone,

I had my first gall bladder symptoms the 7th of Nov. My doctor would not see me told me it was the flu. I ended up in the ER the 9th of Nov and they told me of how gravely ill i was and that I needed to have surgery. I'd had absolutely no symptoms of gall bladder disease prior to this. First they tried an ERCP to remove the blockage of a bile duct but it didn't work and the next day i was having emergency surgery. Started laproscopically and ended in an open surgery. My common bile duct was blocked with pus i guess and gall fragments so i had an infection of some type going on. Since then I haven't really lost or gained weight. I do have some pain in my back on the right side that I experienced at the onset. My diet now is a lot worse I'd say since before because now I'm craving sugars like crazy. And even fattier stuff than what I used to eat-prior to I ate a very carb heavy diet. My question is how long did it take for people to start gaining weight? After reading through many pages of the forum (but not all) I am getting concerned with all that I wasn't told. Actually right after my open surgery I was allowed to eat normal foods. The next morning in the hospital I was given greasy bacon and eggs and other stuff. (And they wondered why I didn't eat it). I was in the hospital for a 4 days post surgery. The only thing they told me on diet was if it was high in fat i'd probably get diarhhea. And I have gotten that with most things that I've tried to eat, but I just assumed it was my bodies adaptation period.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Dec 05 2007 07:57:11
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Hello Heavenlyang,
If you're in the majority, then you probably won't have difficulty controlling your weight if you follow a sensible diet and get plenty of exercise. I don't believe there is any consistency in the amount of time between the date of gall bladder surgery and the onset of bloating and weight problems (and there are probably a multitude of factors and variables that would account for variances). I think the best advice for you would be to pay attention to your body especially as it relates to what you eat and drink.
Good Luck!


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Dec 05 2007 13:18:59
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Hello Echo/Restore (anyone else following this thread?):

Ed has decided to follow Restore's Solution Plan for losing weight and will share the results on this thread for anyone else who might be interested.

Yesterday was Day 1, and (as Restore had predicted) he Bloated but did not gain weight. The bloating was very severe last night after what might have been a dietary blunder (one drink: vodka w/ juice...mea culpa). The label on the juice said 100% Juice (apple & peach I believe) however, upon closer inspection of the ingredients label we discovered the juice was pasturized. Would that make it processed and therefore not a whole food? Would alcohol in any form affect this diet?

Today (Day 2)...no weight gain this morning and so far today a bowl of oatmeal, brewers yeast, an apple for mid-morning snack, and for lunch a helping of brown rice w/ red beans and water. So far, no major bloating.

Restore, are you still available for questions? I hope I didn't annoy you with my last post.

If you are still reading & available:

1. Is it correct that we should avoid any and all meat products other than fish for the first 3 months? No chicken, turkey, or pork? What about tuna fish or albacore?

2. You suggested shredded cheese on top of Ezekiel bread w/ egg salad & tomato. Does this mean that cheese is okay or should it be limited?

3. You recommend egg yolks in salad and not the egg whites, and you also suggest egg salad (or vegatable omelet) as a dinner choice. I assume it is appropriate to use the entire egg for the egg salad and omelet. Also, is mayonaise okay with the egg salad (or tuna salad)...or should it be avoided or limited?

(Thank you very much for entertaining these questions Restore...it is appreciated more than you could possibly know)


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Dec 05 2007 20:25:08
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End of Day 2 for Ed:

Oatmeal and 12 brewers yeast tablets for breakfast
Apple for mid morning snack
Brown Rice w/ Red Beans for lunch
Vegatable Omelet for Dinner
Lots of water throughout the day
Enzymes and Probiotics as recommended

Currently very bloated and up 5 POUNDS from this morning.

Was expecting the bloating, but not the weight gain. So strange to think of being 5 pounds heavier on the scale after consuming the diet described above. [note: nothing else was consumed today]

I am sure many of the folks who posted here before can relate to how frustrated Ed is at this point. The bloat and weight gain today are dramatic, for sure.

No doctor has been able to help him (and he's talked with many). No weight loss specialist has been able to help him. No endocrinologist has been able to help him. Medically supervised liquid diets haven't been able to help him. No amount of exercise is able to help him (believe me, he's tried and is still trying). No amount of well meaning "just burn more calories than you consume" method has helped him. No diet of any kind so far has been able to help him.

The only thing that has seems reasonable at the moment is the explanations and solution provided by Restore in this thread. I believe Ed wants to continue following this diet, and Restore if you're still reading this please help us out! An encouraging word...more diet suggestions, anything at all. Please, can we hear from you?


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Dec 05 2007 20:30:37
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What does Mr. ed put in his oatmeal? I would like to try the oat meal for breakfast because it is very filling. However, I am staying away from sugar, what do you think of me using honey in the oatmeal? Any other suggestions?.
I am sick of the same bland diet. I am maintining for now. I just had a birthday where I threw my entire diet out of the window for the entire week end. I need help to get back on track. I am dreading the scale.

Most of the products you guys are suggesting I can not get here. I can order over the internet but I have to pay a courier service to pick up to bring it over, that is if the product can be shipped to their location.


Reply author: Debby
Replied on: Dec 06 2007 04:48:22
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Hi, yes I am still following along. I am still not trying anything in particular apart from exercise but I am still finding this quite ineffective. I can lose about 1 kg in a week, but then just put it on again the next, even though I am exercising for 1/2 an hour five days a week. In fact I can put on 1kg in one day which seems ridiculous. When I say I am trying nothing else, I mean I am not actually trying anything recommended here yet, but I am taking something called 'inner health plus' which is supposed to restore good stomach bacteria, and just today started taking something called 'weight loss accelerate' which supposedly helps you to lose up to 3X what you would normally lose with diet and exercise alone. All I want is to lose a steady 1/2kg each week with my target only being 3kg altogether, but this seems impossible when I just yo-yo up and down all the time for no particular reason. If exercising doesn't start to achieve something soon, I will have to start trying a stricter diet and some of the suggestions here, although there is no definite answer to be had here yet either, so I am following everyone's progress with interest. Good luck everyone and hope you find an answer because I may need it yet myself!


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Dec 06 2007 07:31:05
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quote:
Originally posted by hoyte54

What does Mr. ed put in his oatmeal? I would like to try the oat meal for breakfast because it is very filling. However, I am staying away from sugar, what do you think of me using honey in the oatmeal? Any other suggestions?.
I am sick of the same bland diet. I am maintining for now. I just had a birthday where I threw my entire diet out of the window for the entire week end. I need help to get back on track. I am dreading the scale.

Most of the products you guys are suggesting I can not get here. I can order over the internet but I have to pay a courier service to pick up to bring it over, that is if the product can be shipped to their location.



You could try stevia or agave nectar. Both are good for keeping blood sugar stable. I sometimes add a banana and that makes it sweet enough, although bananas are a high sugar fruit. I also make a muesli using raw oatmeal (organic), chopped dates, raisins, walnuts and sunflower seeds. I'm trying to eat very little cooked food.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Dec 06 2007 09:23:57
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Day 3 for Ed:

The weight increase he saw last light (5 pound increase during the day) has dissappeared overnight. His weight this morning is essentially the same as yesterday morning, and the bloating has subsided a little bit.

I guess it seems as though all is on track as Restore has indicated. I know he's anxious to experience the beginning of some significant weight loss next week.

I know his wife is having a great deal of difficulty understanding how something that can bloat you so much can be good for you. I think the first night on this diet she wanted to take him to the emergency room because he was bloated so much (very concerned about taking so much brewers yeast). Indeed, the first night almost resulted in a panic attack. The second night was also cause for concern due to the bloating and 5 pound weight gain (in a 12 hour period!). However, as I said, his weight is back down, and for now he's keeping the faith and hoping this will work and he'll know it's working on day 7-10 as Restore has indicated.

Restore, are you still around?


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Dec 06 2007 10:01:56
Message:

In the interest of honesty and full disclosure (to Restore and everyone else reading this thread), it is only fair to report that the Oatmeal Ed is eating is the Instant Quaker Oatmeal with "real" Raisin, Date & Walnut. In reading the label, we found the second ingredient to be "SUGAR"...also has BHT to protect the flavor...

Yipes

I guess this means that Ed was not following Restore's Diet 100%. Refined sugar is a big "NO-NO" on this diet. Hmmm, sugar & yeast (doesn't that make alcohol or something?).

So folks, I guess it's off to the store to purchase the bad (I mean good) Oatmeal (hopefull the berries will make it taste better).

Restore...don't leave us!


Reply author: Restore
Replied on: Dec 06 2007 11:49:32
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Cranekc is right on target.

Echo, stop eating yogurt and fruit. Begin eating oatmeal. The yogurt and fruit (both which contain their own types of sugars!) do nothing to rebuild the lining of your colon.

JAllen, perhaps Ed is 'bean-sensitive'. For instance, I cannot eat red beans, even now. Try another type of bean.


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Dec 06 2007 15:10:42
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Any other suggestions on how to make oatmeal palatable but still keep it within the healthy diet range. Several different recipes will keep me going for the long haul.Suggestions for chicken, ground turkey, fish. HELP PLEASE!!!


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Dec 07 2007 14:17:51
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Quick update:

Day 4 for Ed:

*no change in weight
*somewhat bloated, but less so compared to yesterday & day before
*feels good
*switched to whole oats oatmeal this morning (no sugar added)

Diet today:
Oatmeal w/ blueberries, raisins, walnuts
Mid morning snack [smoothie: fresh strawberries, 1/2 banana & soy milk]
Scrambled Eggs w/ steamed vegatable & slivered almonds for lunch
(planning on having Brown Rice w/ black beans and steamed vegatables for Dinner)
Brewers Yeast, enzymes & other nutrients/stuff recommended here.

Weekend Plan: Much of same as above, but will also incorporate other meal suggestions by Restore (Ezekiel bread w/ egg salad, sliced tomato and shredded cheese, fish, and possibly the special vetegarian pizza Restore shared with us).

Will keep everyone posted on progress and any changes that occurs. (We are keeping our fingers crossed and hoping that Restore is indeed on to something powerful with this magnesium rich, high fiber, whole foods, no yogurt or meats, and lots of brewers yeast/enzymes/probiotics/etc.. diet)

Restore, if this works, we will shout it out for all to hear and volunteer to contribute to your next book.

God knows, I hope you're right Restore!!!


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Dec 07 2007 14:55:23
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Restore,

Would you clarify something for me? I'm a bit confused. In some of your posts you advocate eating fruit (fresh fruit is a whole food too), and yet you seem to be advising echo not to eat it:

"Echo, stop eating yogurt and fruit. Begin eating oatmeal. The yogurt and fruit (both which contain their own types of sugars!) do nothing to rebuild the lining of your colon."

In other places you suggested fresh strawberries and banana (as a smoothie with soy milk). I'm also assuming that fresh fruit is a whole food, and therefore would be on the "good foods to eat" list.

Help!


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Dec 07 2007 23:25:40
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yes..a bit confusing when told that fruit is great and then being told that it isn't...i'm a true believer in the food pyramid, so therefore, fruit is a must, of course in moderation as anything we eat. our body needs sugar, and fruit is the healthiest way to get the sugar where refined sugar is bad. i remember as a kid eating healthy food and i took that into my adult life..i was thin as thin can be just by eating good stuff..my diet is really no different aside from eating A LOT LESS due to the GB problem. I've tried the diets w/ no fruit, no results, i tried the high protein..no results, i've tried the 500 cal..no results...etc...etc...i know my body and i know that it isn't right..and i certainly know that i eat healthy, small portions and avoid trash such as chips and sweets,if i do have a piece of pie, it's certainly no more than 2 bites and once in a great blue moon, like thanxgiving and christmas..so at this point, i don't care anymore, i'll eat healthy and accept my 20lb overweight,up and down self..i'll continue eating my oats, grains, fruits, veggies and protein..anyone who says that it's not good is full of crap! I know what my body needs and i know what has caused the problem, it certainly hasn't been from sitting on my ass, eating bon bons and eating fast food til it comes out of my yang..i will NEVER blame myself, and one thing i will learn is i am who i am and i need to love myself and my body, then maybe the weight will come off after my stress is gone.,


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Dec 08 2007 10:00:36
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Echo, for what it's worth, I believe you. I am sorry to say I probably wouldn't have believed you had I not observed this very phenomenon myself for the last five years. Like you, Ed has been through every diet imaginable, and he probably exercises more than 90% of the general population of the United States.

Echo, I do not believe you will lose the weight if you simply accept yourself, love yourself and your body. This is not a problem of the mind or a problem of having the right attitude and I can tell from reading your posts here in this forum that you already know that better than most everyone else who has been through this horrendous, frightening, seemingly unending nightmare. There is an explanation, medical science just hasn't found it yet. Hell, as far as I can tell, they are not even listening to you!

In terms of money, I have spent over $300.00 in the past 3 weeks following recomendations of people here on this forum. That is a drop in the bucket compared to what Ed has spent in the past few years (literally thousands of dollars).

In terms of time, I've spent hours upon hours reading and researching for any information that might help Ed (I have more free time than Ed...he is constantly busy, working, social obligations, travel, charities, exercise, hobbies, etc...). Honestly, so far, Restore has had the most impressive sounding explanation (I'm a layman, no scientist, no special knowledge), and we're really hoping that her magnesium rich, high fiber diet with Brewers Yeast will actually be the solution to this problem as she says it is. Restore has made some very bold claims and made them with supreme confidence and supplied research materials to back up her claims. At this point, she certainly got my attention and I printed her posts here, and the documents she sent me for Ed, who decided to give her plan an honest test.

Restore, this would be a good time to be more available for questions from Ed (and anyone else). You came here & came on strong, you were challenged (as you rightly should have been), you defended your position and provided some interesting documents....

We now have a test subject who is trying to follow your advice "to the letter" but has some questions that only you can answer. Won't you please take a few minutes each day for the next week to answer some questions?

Update Day 5 for Ed:
*ongoing diet is EXACTLY as prescribed by Restore
*bloating is ongoing
*weight is stable (with a small down trend for the first 5 days)
*he's counting on "knowing he's onto something powerful" by the end of next week.


Reply author: justjay
Replied on: Dec 09 2007 14:40:14
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I haven't been on here in a bout a month. however i do have some positive news to report. 1 being that I started using the bile salts though no improvement in weight my digestion has been greatly improved. No bloating and no diarrhea. trust me I forgot to take them with a meal and felt the difference. I also started on a prescription weight loss medicine and I have lost 15 Lbs in 2months its called Phentermine. It is not expensive if you go through your doctor it cost about 25-30 bucks generic. I have heard others say it didn't work for them but for ME it has been worth it I wanted a bigger weight loss, but I am ok with what I have lost so far. My doc who is weight loss doc also gave me other supplement to take along with it magnesium gluconate 500mg, chromium picolinate,5-Hydroxytryptophan 50mg. I also receive a B-12 shot at every appointment I go once a month. I don't know if its one specific thing that is helping or a combination of all. I do know that this is the first time I have lost this many pounds since surgery in 2002. I also caution anyone who tries this to consult your doctor first my doc ran blood work and did an ekg prior to placing me on these meds. I hope this helps I will keep you all posted on any progress I make. Please feel free to ask anything you want and I will answer if I can.



**** THANKS jAllen for your kind words****


Reply author: tmlunac
Replied on: Dec 09 2007 17:51:25
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This is my first time on here, a coworker and I came on once we realized we both had something in commom, weight gan after gb sx. It's been 4yrs for me and 1yr for my coworker. Found some intersting ideas on here, but in response to this older quote by Pip...I went through the exact same thing, backed up with stones, pancreatitis, pain meds, jaundice, ICU, not able to move and the famous ERCP x3 and surgery.All of this worse than the six labors I have been through.....Know that there are others out there whom feel oyur pain
Tina

quote:
Originally posted by Pip

I ended up having my gallbladder out when I was about 23 years old - after my second pregnancy. However, this is a reply to the person who is feeling a little bitter about having her surgery and that she felt like she did not have a choice.

Believe me, you would NEVER want to go the route that I did. I could not have the surgery any sooner because I was pregnant. I was extremely ill throughout that whole pregnancy and had attacks constantly throughout my pregnancy. My baby was 3 months old when I pushed a stone out of my gallbladder, blocked my biliary tree (the vessels that feed bile out to the liver and the intestine) - hence I ended up with pancreatitis and almost died. I screamed with pain for an entire night and after all the drugs they gave me I was unconscious for three days. I then lived on Morphine for two weeks and nothing by mouth. Remember - there was a 3 month old baby waiting for its mom to come home through all of this - trying to keep my breastfeeding successful but could not because of all of the drugs so that was also depressing to be producing milk that was not suitable for my new baby. They had to do an ERCP (look it up - not fun!!) to cut the little opening out of the gallbladder to ensure that if any more stones blocked the duct they could pass. They had to wait until my abdomen was healed from all the inflammation of my internal organs before they went in to take it out, but they finally did a few months later.

Be grateful that you had your gallbladder out. Yeah, I have the weight gain thing to sort out too but you do not want to live through this scenario.


Reply author: MisterEd
Replied on: Dec 13 2007 14:21:54
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For those who have been following the RESTORE restoration progress: I have been a test subject as mentioned in the several messages above, by j.Allen. Essentially I have finished Day 10 of her suggestions, with a few deviations that do likely impact the overal analysis. I have followed the daily diet of whole food, magnesium, brewer's yeast, enxymes, etc., all pretty religiously. I did deviate by going to some seasonal parties over the weekend where I had alcohol (vodka with pure cranberry fruit juice). Regardless, I am not sure that had any impact or not. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. The bloat continues, vodka or not, the weight shifts daily, whether or no.

What I have and am experiencing are the same condition where I am bloateed, constantly bloated, big-time bloated. And......muc more so than is usual. I might be forgiven for thinking it is likely the brewer's yeast since it is no doubt a contributor to the entire whole food regimen. But if Restore says that such bloat is a "good bloat" I am very much now looking for her definition of a "bad bloat"! My bloating has been heavy, and at times, one could almost sit and stare as the belly grew in front of me, being visibly noticeable in the swelling. As Echo and I have shared, the bloat that I have is debilitating, physically, and it also has a mental component of making me not feel well, a general feeling that sets in of discomfot and malaise, probably pretty darned close to depression. These extreme bloats cause me to be irritable and out of sorts, and my having to select bigger clothing to accommodate a big swollen belly does nothing to make me feel better. It is not fun! What, indeed, is a "good bloat" if it makes me feel just horrible?

And I want to go on record that I have not lost any weight. Nope, I have gained four pounds in the overall in the past ten days. Yes, it has been rocking up and down, and each morning is a bit like Christmas, getting another surprise as to what the scales are going to say today.

Restore, you have gone into hiding. I am unsure that your directions were anything worth listening to, since my own personal results seem to be nothing, one more time. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I ventured. Nothing gained.

I see no reason to continue. Are you there Restore?


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Dec 13 2007 15:44:01
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quite frankly, Restore tends to contradict a lot, so i have a hard time believing someone that changes her name on the forum and comes across as the answer to all of our problems. It may work for her, it doesn;t mean it will work for others..i certainly tune out people who accuse others of sitting around on their butts and assuming that we are the reason for our own weight gain..she doesn't know me, she has no idea how this has changed my life and how hard i've worked to get back to normal..she just sounds like one of the ignorant doctors that don't listen ..Mr.Ed, you and i know our bodies very well, and as you can see, just as doctors, society can't comprehend reasons for this abnormal weight gain..they do not suffer from it, so therefore it doesn't exist and they all have the answers to what works for themselves. i must say i have lost a total of 21lbs w/ the exception of an average of 8lbs in gain or loss depending on which day it is and how my body decides to function. before my body was not budging. and trust me, anyone who says that by having 1 vodka and juice is causing weight gain is full of crap..my bloating is not as bad, and i think it's because of the calcium pyruvate..it wasn't until i started taking that w/ bile salts, enzymes, and vitb12 that i noticed a change that has stayed off..at least the MAJORITY of the weight has stayed off, just working on the rest.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Dec 13 2007 16:13:07
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Hey Echo!

Ed just left to go to the gym to work out with his personal trainer and probably won't see your post until tomorrow.

I am thrilled to read that you lost a total of 21 lbs (& wishing you luck for the 8 fluctuating lbs). I am curious, when you say you lost 21 lbs, is that since you started taking brewers yeast? If not, what are you attributing this very significant weight loss? I'm also curious about the 8 lbs you're talking about. Does that mean that you have 8 more lbs to go to reach your target weight? If not, how far are you from your own target weight? I believe Ed is about 25 lbs (give or take) from his own target weight.

Restore, please take some time to respond & help here. I am assuming you still believe in your solution for people who have gained large amounts of water weight since having their gall bladders removed.

Some questions for Restore:

1. Is it possible that 12-24 brewers yeast tables (650 mg) is TOO MUCH for some people? As mentioned in a prior post, Ed has been seriously bloated since consuming the brewers yeast. I know he's going to give your suggestions more time (since he had a couple vodka drinks at a holiday party last weekend)...but I'm thinking the brewers yeast is causing him to bloat way too much. One night his wife was so concerned she wanted to take him to the emergency room.

2. Please clarify your seemingly contradictory suggestions about consuming fruit. Is fruit safe to eat during this healing process or not?

3. What about protien? Ed's personal trainer is concerned that he is not getting enough protein, and from what I can observe, Ed does seem more sluggish since he's been on the magnesium rich high fiber vegetarian diet (with fish) and brewers yeast.

4. Would you agree that if Ed does not start losing the bloat (and water weight) soon that he should cut out (or at least seriously cut back) his consumption of brewers yeast?


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Dec 14 2007 08:33:13
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Restore,

Another question in addition to the 4 in my last post.

5. In this healing diet, you advise against eating potatoes. I would think that potatoes would be considered a "whole food", which confuses me. Why do you advise against eating potatoes on this healing diet? Would this also apply to sweet potatoes?


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Dec 14 2007 09:29:55
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I was reading this today on Newstarget.com. I use virgin coconut oil and it is supposed to help with weight loss.

Why is Coconut oil unique and unlike any other fat?

Coconut oil is made up of medium-chain fatty acids (MCFA’s). Two-thirds of the saturated fat in coconut oil is a medium-chain saturated fat. This important fact deserves clarification as MCFA’s actually helps us to lose weight, lower cholesterol, improve diabetic conditions and reduce the risk of heart disease.

One of the most outstanding benefits of consuming MCFA’s is that they do not require the liver and gallbladder to digest and emulsify them. This means instant energy and increased thermogenesis (increased metabolic rate in the body) which leads to more heat production as well as improved circulation. For anyone with impaired fat digestion or a removed gallbladder, coconut oil is the only oil to consume as it is very easily digested.

MCFA’s are also known for having antimicrobial and anti-fungal properties, so they are beneficial to our immune system. In addition, coconut oil assists people with under-active thyroids by increasing the metabolic rate of the body and creating more energy.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Dec 14 2007 11:18:36
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I noticed coconut oil in our local health food store. It was expensive.

Is coconut oil sold in regular grocery stores?


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Dec 14 2007 12:04:27
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quote:
Originally posted by j.Allen

I noticed coconut oil in our local health food store. It was expensive.

Is coconut oil sold in regular grocery stores?



Some grocery stores carry organic products. You need the organic virgin coconut oil. Wilderness Family Naturals has a great tasting coconut oil. Here's some info: http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/virgin_coconut_oil_centrifuged.htm

I spread it on toasted Ezekiel bread and top it with cinnamon which is good to stabilize blood sugar. I use it in place of butter. You can also put in your oatmeal or just take a tablespoon of it.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Dec 16 2007 15:36:25
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jallen..the fluctuating 8 lbs is an average of weight gained and lost no matter what diet i'm on..the 21lbs have been a total since using bile salts and enzymes going back almost a year..in other words, i lose weight but can gain an average of 8lbs for no reason w/ the most of 12lbs being gained within 2 days..it's hard to explain..it's almost like taking 2 steps forward 4 steps back 4 steps forward 2 steps back..i've managed to keep 21lbs off that hasn't been effected ..my goal is to lose an additional 18 lbs that actually stay off.


Reply author: shortstuff
Replied on: Dec 17 2007 14:01:57
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Hiya,
I had my Gall Bladder removed in June 2005 and was sent home with a pat on the back and told not to worry about having the bad pains any more as it was all removed now, nobody gave me any diet advice and so i set about eating the same foods that i always used to before having Gall Stones. shortly after the op i became extreemly bloated and went to see my GP, He prescribed Creon 40000 and i was told to take 1 everytime i ate anything. these seemed to work but made me feel quite sick at times and so i slowly reduced the amount i was taking and came off them. I then changed GP's, since then my weight has gone up considerably partly due to the lack of enzymes that help break down the food which makes me very bloated and partly because i dont eat sensibly. I have just been to the new GP surgery tonight and asked him to put me back on Creon 40000. he looked at me blankly and asked me why i had been on them in the first place, he told me that these were for people with pancreatitus (think thats how you spell it)and he could not find any mention of it in my old notes. Yet still he prescribed them to me!! anyway i do find that these do help to stop me bloating and digest my food. Is there anyone out there who has been taking creon for a while at all?


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Dec 19 2007 16:30:56
Message:

Hello to everyone & anyone still reading/monitoring this thread.

Regarding Ed's experiment with Restore's solution (Magnesium rich, High Fiber, lots and lots of BREWERS YEAST tablets, no red meat (except fish), and no yogurt, etc..

In a nutshell, it did not work for him.

Disclaimer: Ed had a few nights when he consumed a couple vodka/cranberry drinks (100% juice, no preservatives). I suppose it is possible to say that the consumption of alcohol destroyed his results. He consumed approximately 5-6 drinks in total on 3 separate holiday parties. I honestly don't know.

I do know that during nearly the entire time on this diet he was bloated more significantly than ever before and he gained 7 pounds from the day he started until today. That makes a total of 16 days of following the dietary suggestions (with the exception of the alcoholic drinks mentioned).

In addition to the significant bloating and 7 pound weight gain, his energy level has dropped significantly. His personal trainer is concerned that he's not getting enough protien for his intense workouts, and his wife is very concerned about the ongoing bloat and increasing weight gain.

He has elected to stop consuming the massive quantity of brewers yeast and to reincorporate meats and cheese into his diets (probably small amounts of cold cuts and cheese in the mornings).

Having kept a very detailed food/exercise log since October 24th, he plans to study it carefully and attempt to reconstruct the diet/activity that preceeded weight down days to see if he can have more weight down days.

This is all very frustrating as most of you know.

I intend to keep checking in occassionally to see if anyone is reporting any progress. I would be especially interested to find out if any of you are able to find a doctor or member of the medical/academic community who might have the ultimate explanation and answer to this very unique and mysterious problem of weight gain and bloating after having had gall bladder removal surgery.

Restore, thank you for your suggestions and for sending the research documents to me. I am dissappointed you didn't hang around for questions and support. I can only assume you have your own reasons. I am genuinelly happy that you have found a solution that works for you and I regret to say it simply did not work for Ed. Perhaps, having a non-functioning gall bladder (as is the case with you) is in fact, very different than having had it completely removed?

To the newly registered folks who posted here with questions...sometimes you have to post more than once to get a response. Don't give up.

Sincerely,
j.Allen


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Dec 20 2007 09:41:50
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I think each of us without a gallbladder has to find out what works on a personal basis. There are no quick, fast solutions and it takes trial and error, trying different things, researching, reading and I believe in asking God for direction.

Exercise is essential, it helps get the bile flowing especially for those of us with congested livers which is probably the root of the problem. Focus on your liver, it has to pull double duty without a gallbladder to assist in the digestion of fats. Try coconut oil, high fiber, exercise, no processed foods and a positive outlook that things will get better in time. We all have to live with an unfortunate situation. We believed the doctors instead of finding out the truth on our own and now we reap the consequences.

Our bodies are amazing creations and can overcome most diseases if we help them. Sometimes I want to give up and think I'm cursed to live without a gallbladder but then I tell myself I'm blessed to not have cancer or other life threatening diseases. So life has handed us a lemon -- what are we going to do with it??

I am going to thank God this holiday for letting me have life and believing He will heal me if I continue to live and walk in His direction. Have a blessed holiday and BE THANKFUL! It is good for the health!


Reply author: debrock
Replied on: Dec 20 2007 10:52:03
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To dbon

Amen to that! We have a tendency to forget about HIM in the equation. Blessings to all.


Reply author: jennidee
Replied on: Jan 03 2008 00:13:46
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I had my gall bladder out 8 years ago. I was amazed that I was having symptoms as I was the thinnest I had ever been (I had joined weightwatchers and hit my goal weight after nearly a year). My doctor told me it was because I was now eating healthy that my body was trying to rid itself of the stones. I was given no other options even though I asked about sonic resonation to break down the stones. My doctor warned me that if my gall bladder was sick it would just produce more stones. Almost immediately after the surgery I started gaining weight. My doctor warned me about gaining weight but didn't explain it further. For a further 6 months I struggled to maintain my weight, and then gave up. I've now put on more weight then than I was carrying before I joined weight watchers. My mother has almost exactly the same story. I think more research is needed about how gall bladder removal affects weight and digestion.


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Jan 03 2008 08:11:08
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quote:
Originally posted by jennidee

I had my gall bladder out 8 years ago. I was amazed that I was having symptoms as I was the thinnest I had ever been (I had joined weightwatchers and hit my goal weight after nearly a year). My doctor told me it was because I was now eating healthy that my body was trying to rid itself of the stones. I was given no other options even though I asked about sonic resonation to break down the stones. My doctor warned me that if my gall bladder was sick it would just produce more stones. Almost immediately after the surgery I started gaining weight. My doctor warned me about gaining weight but didn't explain it further. For a further 6 months I struggled to maintain my weight, and then gave up. I've now put on more weight then than I was carrying before I joined weight watchers. My mother has almost exactly the same story. I think more research is needed about how gall bladder removal affects weight and digestion.



It's also possible that your weight loss aggravated your gallbladder and produced stones because I've read the losing weight quickly or a low fat/no fat diet can cause gallstones to form. I used to fast and I wonder if that contributed to my gallstone problem.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jan 03 2008 11:34:48
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by dbon

quote:
Originally posted by jennidee

I had my gall bladder out 8 years ago. I was amazed that I was having symptoms as I was the thinnest I had ever been (I had joined weightwatchers and hit my goal weight after nearly a year). My doctor told me it was because I was now eating healthy that my body was trying to rid itself of the stones. I was given no other options even though I asked about sonic resonation to break down the stones. My doctor warned me that if my gall bladder was sick it would just produce more stones. Almost immediately after the surgery I started gaining weight. My doctor warned me about gaining weight but didn't explain it further. For a further 6 months I struggled to maintain my weight, and then gave up. I've now put on more weight then than I was carrying before I joined weight watchers. My mother has almost exactly the same story. I think more research is needed about how gall bladder removal affects weight and digestion.



It's also possible that your weight loss aggravated your gallbladder and produced stones because I've read the losing weight quickly or a low fat/no fat diet can cause gallstones to form. I used to fast and I wonder if that contributed to my gallstone problem.



i was told that a no fat diet,diet pills, and starvation causes sludge in the GB..that's what i had..i was thin prior as well and ate low fat..the GB gets lazy and doesn't know what to do w/ the xtra bile that is not being used to break down fat, so therefore turns into sludge. If you eat a lot of saturated fats, then it doesn't produce enough bile to break down the fat so any extra fat w/ bile crystallizes and therefore produces stones. That's not to say that sludge in a GB can't produce stones as well,some have both which is from eating low fat to binging on fat after the sludge has built up..the sludge builds up and the GB won't function properly, any excess bile left will crystallize w/ any extra fat intake.if you have a lot of sludge, after a long period of time the entire GB itself can turn into a stone, that's when it starts to fuse to other organs
most people that were overweight prior to the surgery are thin after, and most people that were thin prior, are now overweight..i wish there were doctors out there willing to research this problem, but it seems that they are obtuse and out to rob organs.


Reply author: jennidee
Replied on: Jan 04 2008 01:48:51
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I do think that surgeons seem very quick to remove the gall bladder. And because the patient is unwell and wants a quick solution they agree. Yet there is so little post op visits and follow up! I bet in years to come our children's children will be amazed that we were stupid enough to let them rip organs out of our bodies. I wish medical research wasn't so slow.

I also forgot to mention that after reading some advice here about looking after your liver I remembered the liver tonic tablets I had in the cupboard and started taking them again. I have had less bloating, but quicker bowel movements (and believe me I DONT need that!) but it does also seem to be helping my weight loss efforts along with lots of exercise.


Reply author: wtillman104
Replied on: Jan 04 2008 17:52:12
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I feel so releaved to know that I am not loosing my mind. I had my gall bladder removed almost 24 months ago and over that time I have put on around 30lbs. I have tried working out like a crazy lady (hired a personal trainer) only to loose a few inches but the lbs never went down. Then I tried a couple of diet pills and that did not work either. I did weight watchers and never lost a lb (again inches came off). To add to that I am always constipated and the fiber, fruit, and water almost never help; sometimes its like rabbit poop...little pellets (sorry to gross you out). I am desperate to understand what is going on and what I should do to remedy the constipation which I am positive aids the weight gain. Finding this blog is comforting to me because now I know that I am not alone.


Reply author: jennidee
Replied on: Jan 04 2008 19:58:38
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It really is interesting that there is a variety of different syptoms here; one has consitpation, one has the runs. And yet we are all experienceing discomfort and helath problems after the surgery. I have to wonder if it is the cross section of the population we are looking at are all just people who have unwell bodies? Personally I had lots of problems even before the surgery. I did gain a lot of weight after my first child, lost it with weight watchers, only to gain it again after the surgery. It makes sense I suppose that those with unhappy digestive systems have problems with their gall bladders. Personally I will be taking the route of digestive aids (good bacteria) and boosting my liver as well as increased excercise to improve my overall health. Hopefully weight loss will be an added benefit.
I repeat my earlier statement - the subject needs so much more study - I wish the doctors would sit up and take notice of this thread.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Jan 04 2008 22:01:17
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by jennidee

I do think that surgeons seem very quick to remove the gall bladder. And because the patient is unwell and wants a quick solution they agree. Yet there is so little post op visits and follow up! I bet in years to come our children's children will be amazed that we were stupid enough to let them rip organs out of our bodies. I wish medical research wasn't so slow.

I also forgot to mention that after reading some advice here about looking after your liver I remembered the liver tonic tablets I had in the cupboard and started taking them again. I have had less bloating, but quicker bowel movements (and believe me I DONT need that!) but it does also seem to be helping my weight loss efforts along with lots of exercise.



jennidee, what liver tonic tabs are you taking?? are they safe to take regularly or are they a weekly/monthly thing??


Reply author: jennidee
Replied on: Jan 05 2008 22:43:02
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I'm taking 'Blackmores Detoxification Livercare Complex'.
I take it twice a day (usually I only remember to take it once, but you are supposed to take it twice). I have also used liver tone, recommended by Sandra Cabot (the Liver Doctor)
http://www.liverdoctor.com/index.php
I am lucky that her clinic (and sister clinic) is nearby and I have been to see a doctor who prescribes to her ideas. I really must go back to see them.
Have you read 'The Liver Cleansing Diet' by Sandra Cabot - it is excellent. It's quite easy to follow as well (apart from the very strict middle section of the 8 week detox, which I have never done, it is just too strict for me)


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Jan 09 2008 08:20:29
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Some info. to share:

Gallbladder Removed?

Living Without A Gallbladder
By: Dr. Loretta Lanphier, ND, CN, HHP



Roughly 20 million Americans suffer from gallstones, and 750,000 of them have their gallbladders removed each year. There are 800,000 hospitalizations and 2 billion dollars spent annually on gallbladder disease.

For most people the pain of a malfunctioning gallbladder eventually becomes unbearable. After several trips to the emergency room the mention of surgery is met with certain approval. Unfortunately this seemingly simple solution may or may not end the pain and discomfort of gallbladder disease. The probable after-effects of gallbladder surgery are never discussed with the patient which leaves the patient with the impression that all will be back-to-normal after surgery. But it doesn't take long to realize that all is "not well" and the patient soon begins to feel very betrayed by their surgeon and doctor who did not prepare them for "life without a gallbladder."

Contrary to medical opinion the gallbladder is of use to the body. The gallbladder is a small sac underneath your liver that stores and secretes bile, a digestive fluid that breaks down fats. Gallstones form when the chemical compounds in bile become unbalanced -- no one's sure exactly why this happens, but a diet high in fat often makes the problem worse. Since bile is actually produced by the liver, it's possible to survive without a gallbladder, but often not without unpleasant digestive tract complications.The gallbladder is like a pump. Without it, the liver can't secrete enough bile to properly digest a full meal. Many people experience symptoms such as diarrhea, gas, abdominal pain, bloating, indigestion, constipation, increased allergies, liver congestion, itchy skin and autoimmune diseases. Some patients suffer from dumping syndrome, in which food is "dumped" too quickly into the intestines from the stomach.

Suggestions for living without a gallbladder:

If your gallbladder is removed your LIVER will still produce bile. It won't be the amount that the gallbladder was able to store, but enough. Eat lower fat foods and smaller portions at each meal.
Diet is extremely important. Eat low-fat, high fiber, organic and healthy. Eliminate refined carbohydrates and hydrogenated oils. For a healthy diet check out my e-book: Optimum Health Strategies...Doing What Works.

Liver Flush - Every four months a liver flush should be performed. People without gallbladders may develop stones in the liver which will lead to a sluggish liver. Remember that the liver is the main filter of the body.

Parasite Cleanse/Colon Cleanse - Two times a year.

Digestive Enzymes - You will need to take enzymes for the rest of your life in order to digest the good fats (Omega 3) which are essential for good health.


ENZYMES FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD GALLBLADDER REMOVED


Ox Bile is a suitable supplement to the liver’s production of bile. Bile is naturally produced by the body and is used in the process of digestion. Symptoms of constipation and a tan colored stool may indicate that the body’s production of bile is less than optimal.

Ox Bile Extract, 100 mg. Ox Bile supports the pancreas, gall bladder and liver in producing bile salts and helps digest fats. Binds with cholesterol which is then flushed out of the body. Reduces bloating, gas, nausea and pain after a high fat meal. Bile is essential in peristalsis - the wavy action that moves food through the intestines. Enteric coated for release in the intestine.

Reduce chemical overload on the liver (pre-packaged food, personal care products, lawn products, perfumes, cosmetics, etc.)

Drink only filtered water - Try to drink 1/2 of your body weight in ounces of water every day.

Use a Probiotic

Reduce animal intake (meat and dairy) - When consuming animal products make sure they are free-range, organic and hormone-free.

Eliminate white sugar and white flour.

Consume a green drink or pills daily. Dr Schulze Superfood or Super Herbal Greens are a good choice.

Activated Charcoal - Some people have found that this helps with symptoms as it helps to sequester bile acid. Charcoal also inhibits other nutrients from being absorbed. Be careful and do not use around food or supplement consumption.

Chinese Bitters

Exercise daily for 30 minutes. Walking is highly suggested.

Sunshine - Get 30 minutes of sunshine on as much of your body as is legal, everyday. Necessary for adequate Vitamin D production.

Following the above suggestions will ensure that your digestive system operates to its fullest and will help to alleviate many of the side-effects from gallbladder removal.

So your gallbladder is gone...that's the past. It's time to move on and educate yourself in getting healthy and feeling better. Following the above suggestions will ensure that your digestive system operates to its fullest and will help to alleviate many of the side-effect from gallbladder removal. You can feel good again after gallbladder surgery, but for most it will mean committing to a total lifestyle change...one that will also be beneficial in keeping the whole body healthy.

As with most disease, prevention is always the best solution, but when disease happens remember that there are always solutions and always hope.


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Loretta Lanphier is a Doctor of Naturopath, Clinical Nutritionist and Holistic Health Practitioner in the Houston, TX area and CEO/President of Oasis Advanced Wellness. A teacher, educator and author, she counsels OAW clients on the aspects of getting the body healthy and keeping the body healthy. For more information: www.oasisadvancedwellness.com; www.glyconutrients-center.org; www.allergies-asthma-sinus-relief.org

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What does the gall bladder do?

The gall bladder stores bile, and releases it in optimum quantities when it is needed. Without your gall bladder, the liver will STILL produce bile, but the bile will leak inside you because it will not have a proper place to go.

What is bile?

The spleen breaks down worn-out red blood cells into bile salts and other substances. (Even worn out blood cells get used!). Bile salts are normal in the body when in normal amounts.

The liver removes excess bile salts and wastes and sends them to the gall bladder for storage. The liver is the body's principal chemical plant. If a man built a plant to perform all the chemical functions one mans' liver could perform, the plant would cover 500 acres.

While the products are in the gall bladder, water is reabsorbed and so the waste products get more and more concentrated and form bile.

Bile is needed for 3 things:

1.It neutralizes the acid from the stomach (because bile is very alkaline)
2.It breaks down fats so that they can be digested
3.It is a natural laxative for the colon

Living without a gallbladder:

Make sure your liver is in good health.

Before you do the liver cleanse make sure your colon is cleansed. See cleanse products for more info.

Make sure your diet is low in fats and contains fiber.

The gall bladder stores bile, and releases it in optimum quantities when it is needed. Without your gall bladder, the liver will STILL produce bile, but the bile will leak inside you because it will not have a proper place to go.The spleen breaks down worn-out red blood cells into bile salts and other substances. (Even worn out blood cells get used!). Bile salts are normal in the body when in normal amounts. The liver removes excess bile salts and wastes and sends them to the gall bladder for storage. The liver is the body's principal chemical plant. If a man built a plant to perform all the chemical functions one mans' liver could perform, the plant would cover 500 acres.While the products are in the gall bladder, water is reabsorbed and so the waste products get more and more concentrated and form bile. 1.It neutralizes the acid from the stomach (because bile is very alkaline)2.It breaks down fats so that they can be digested3.It is a natural laxative for the colon

Take a good diestive enzyme with Ox Bile Extract! Super Digestive Enzymes








Reply author: jennidee
Replied on: Jan 11 2008 22:11:10
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OK, so what is a liver flush? I've done a parasite cleanse, which was quite effective. It was a bit of work though. It did help my digestion for a while (unfortunately I think i've picked up another parasite - but did you need to know that? LOL)


Reply author: Optimistic
Replied on: Jan 22 2008 13:46:31
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I have been feeling sick since November and after being misdiagnosed with an ulcer (around Christmas) I was told that my Gallbladder has been causing me all these problems. He said most likely I would need surgery because the gallbladder always gets worse and nothing else helps. I had an ultrasound a week ago and have my next appt on the 23rd to discuss the results of my ultrasound. I came upon this thread last week and since then have read the first 37 pages or so. I am so thankful for all those who have posted on here, because I believe you guys are going to save my gallbladder!
Since doctors don't seem to offer any other solutions than to take out an organ that definately serves a purpose, I will be trying the home remedies listed on many internet sites. There should be a forum for those who are in the process of trying to save their gallbladders, but I can't find any.
I so very much sympathize with all of you who have had the surgery done and are now facing chronic problems. From what I have read, the liver is what needs to be protected and nourished and cleansed in all cases.
This site has some herbal recommendations for both the gallbladder and the liver.
http://www.litalee.com/shopexd.asp?id=214
I am going to try turmeric which is suppose to have lots of healthy, healing properties for many of the digestive organs.
I've also started taking a product called GallCleanse, in hopes of saving my gallbladder.
I have pain every day under my right rib. And I feel nauseous every time I eat. I am constantly cold - this winter has been miserable. I constantly have a low grade fever. Around 99.5 degrees. I have back pain and my blood sugar seems very sensitive, which it wasn't before November.
I have been coming across more and more people that have had their gallbladders taken out and the doctors told all of them that they served no purpose. I have not met a single one who is skinny. I feel this is also a contribution to America's weight problem - gallbladder surgery. They should add that in to all the documentaries you see on TV.
If anyone has any advice for me, I appreciate all information. And if I come across anything that could be of help I will post it as well.
Best of luck to everyone! Take care!


Reply author: Optimistic
Replied on: Jan 23 2008 17:49:22
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I got the results of my ultrasound today and it showed polyps in my gallbladder. It looks like I will be eventually joining the rest of you guys soon as surgery is the preferred treatment of this. Oh well, it's better than the risk of cancer I guess. I have 5 children and am 38 yrs old. It's important that I am around for my kids. I guess it is rare for the polyps to be cancerous, but gallbladder cancer is 90% fatal so if the polyps are under a centimeter they will watch and see with ultrasounds done periodically, but since I have symptoms and pain I am guessing they will just want to do the surgery. The ultrasound showed no stones however. I guess that's good news.
Anyone have any advice for gallbladder polyps?


Reply author: jennidee
Replied on: Jan 23 2008 23:52:39
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I don't know anything about Gall Bladder polyps but I do know that it is better to be around for as long as you can for your kids, and they most likely won't love you any less if you are a little heavier! Best of luck with the surgery. Let us know how it all comes out.


Reply author: morningdove106
Replied on: Jan 24 2008 04:11:21
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I also had no choice in surgery. I had extreme sudden onset back pain and was taken to the hospital, diagnosed with gallstones and surgery was done. All the doctor told me was that "anyone can live without a gall bladder just don't eat fried food anymore". I am not big on fried food so that was easy. Within 6 months I packed on 20 pounds. Now my PCP tells me to loose weight, my BP is increased and my knees are hurting more.(not convenced it was gall bladder surgery related)
I find after I eat, within an hour I need to find a bathroom FAST, very loose stools. Then I found this forum and you guys!! I AM NOT ALONE!!
I have also gone to a naturopath doctor. She listened! taking information and asking questions. Her solution, yes you need your gall bladder to digest foods, especially fatty foods. Can we live without gall bladder, yes, but you need to alter a diet accordingly. Then came those dreaded words "low fat diet" - your body cannot digest fats anymore without a gall bladder. Also to find a digestive enzyme with ox bile in it. That is difficult, she is also searching for me, but in the meantime I take those papaya enzymes, 2 after each meal. I get them in the natural section of the grocery store. I haven't lost a lot of weight (admit low fat is hard for me and I hate lettuce) but there is an improvement on the gas and the 'urgency' to run to the bathroom.
I can tell you what is helping me, I am NOT promoting any site or ANYTHING, it just is what is helping me. sparkpeople.com it has a nutrition tracker so I don't have to count calories, it does it for me, daily. There is also a diet menu suggestion that is low fat and you get several choices to choose from. So changing the diet is necessary and sparkpeople has helped me realize just what goes in my mouth. slowly teaching me to be fat wise.
Maybe those of you who are loosing weight after gall bladder surgery (envy) by controlling your fat intake as well might help you put on weight or at best maintain if that is what you want to do, I don't know, but it is ALL ABOUT THE DIET (sigh) I'm not sure how dairy fits into it all yet, anyone got any ideas on being lactose intollerant without a gall bladder?
Ok, I have babbled on enough, good luck to you all.
To bad we couldn't get a doctor or dietetian to join this forum!


Reply author: debrock
Replied on: Jan 24 2008 09:16:22
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TO optimistic:

I too was told that I had polyps and that gallbladder cancer was not highly treatable - so I opted for the surgery. Since then I have been working with a holistic doctor who told me that they probably could have saved my gallbladder. My weight gain has not been huge (12 pounds in two years)but losing the weight is impossible no matter how much I exercise or refine my diet. What I found out was that food allergies are what probably damaged my gallbladder. What the holisitic doctor believes is that had I found out prior to removal we could have cured the gallbladder by removing the offending foods. Just something to maybe check out before you have it removed.


Reply author: jennidee
Replied on: Jan 24 2008 21:25:10
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debrock - that is interesting. I have food intolerances (they aren't as severe as an allergy and you can have small amounts but your tolerance to them degrades over time). I wonder if that didn't contribute to my gall bladder problems.


Reply author: debrock
Replied on: Jan 25 2008 11:50:38
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Reply to Jennidee
I agree with you. I'm sure mine started as "intolerances" also. It wasn't until the year prior to the gallbladder removal that they escalated to include breathing problems, hives in my throat and stomach, etc. I wish I would have known that they were the cause of the problems much sooner. My bet would be that a lot of us have food intolerances that are magnified by the loss of the gallbladder. I know even now if I accidentally ingest wheat I get immediate hives and my stomach blows up like a balloon.


Reply author: jennidee
Replied on: Jan 26 2008 17:33:23
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debrock
Fortunately wheat isn't one of my intolerances. Tomatoes, Preservative 281, avacados, MSG, mayonaise and certain deep sea fish are the things I have to watch out for and apart from preservative 281 (which is in nearly every bread) they are not easy to slip into things. I can sympathise with the hives. If I have a bad episode I get them all over my body. Once I ended up in hospital with it before I had my gallbladder out. But actually since I had it removed I don't get as much bloating and my intolerances seem to be less violent. Maybe the doctors were right about that one after all. I guess being overweight isn't the end of the world. Though it does cause it's own health problems like heart problems and sore knees, snoring and inactivity.


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Jan 27 2008 18:38:07
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Echo, Hoyte,etc.. How are you?! Haven't been on in a very long time...I see the battle goes on.

If you don't recall I'll give you the quick of it,
was very healthy, exercise, low cal for yrs leading up to GB removal. Was "tricked" into getting surgery almost immediately upon onset of GB attack. (whatever)

Have gained over 60 lbs to date (probably more now) Have kept full food diaries ..gone to DR/nutritionist/specialists/etc. Also hired a very expensive personal trainer to no avail.

Since I found the Bile Salts my weight has stabilized around 210lbs or so (used to b around 140-150). was in a size 8 and now in a size 18! The bile salts do not help with weight lose but have prevented additional weight gain. As the reason I'm back on here is because I ran out a few weeks back and was lax in re-ordering so feel the weight creeping up even more so just put in a rush order for them.


I have read these posts by RESTORE and am interested in that Brewer's Yeast.

HOWEVER, in the past few years I have had a chronic yeast problem, went on/off suppression treatment with Fluconazole (same as Diflucan?) It's not the typical yeast infection, no yucky discharge or anything..moreso causes serious pain and discomfort. Have been off it for a while now but am still concerned it will resurface at any given time. It has been especially bad the more exercise I do. I have recently increased my workout routine so have definite concerns. Anyways, am wondering if the Brewer's yeast would be ok for me to take.

I always eat oatmeal but its the kind with calcium for women which I thought was better but its like vanilla cinnamin sugar or something and from the sounds of it shouldn't be having the sugar.

Is anyone seriously considering filing a class action suit? I am in if you do. I can't tell you how many times it crosses my mind to write to Oprah or daydream about reporting this to one of those investigative reports.

I am going on vacation to a very tropical location in a few months and would really like to get back to any semblance of my old self------------ S O S -------------




Reply author: itsjustme
Replied on: Feb 03 2008 22:26:14
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Ive just spent hours reading through this thread. Before my gallbladder surgery, I had spent 10 months on Jenny Craig and lost 65 pounds. Still having about 45 pounds to go, I had my first gallbladder attack. Well, within a month , last November, I had it taken out. Since then, the pain is gone. I am not bloated, do not suffer from heartburn nor do I have diarrea but do suffer from some constipation. The big issue is that I have continued with the Jenny Craig program and in January started a very active exercise regiment. I have lost NOTHING since my surgery. What was a steady weight loss of 1-2 pounds a week for the past year has, all of the sudden, just become a fluctuation of the same 2 pounds up and down.

I worked so hard to lose these first 65 pounds its been really frustrating that since the surgery I am basically at a standstill. People keep telling me that its just a plateau Ive hit but Im not buying it, not after almost 3 months. I am also convinced that its the surgery.

From all your posts, I think Im going to go see a nutritionist and talk about these enzymes and liver flushes. Thank you all for your information, at least I feel like Im not crazy.


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Feb 04 2008 11:45:17
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Your 65lbs lost is a great motivation as you work to obtain your goal.Do whatever you have to do NOW, before you start to gain.You have read about the difficulty most of has had with weight gain, so do your reseach find out what works for you.GOOD LUCK and give us a report on what happens.


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Feb 04 2008 11:58:20
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Hi! echo, j.allen,mr. ed dbon,what is happening with you guys.I am still struggling. I have lost 35 lbs to date. I have plateaued and it has been,sometime only half lb a week. Then there was the extra xmas lbs I had to deal with. I hope you guys are ok and staying positive.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 04 2008 13:15:51
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Hello Hoyte (and all),

Very interesting you would ask about Ed now, he left the office a few minutes ago for an appointment with yet another specialist. This time he is going to see a gastroenterologist.

Ed is firmly convinced (and frankly, all of us who know him agree) that the following statements are true:

1. His inability to lose weight is DIRECTLY related to having had his gall bladder removed.

2. All of the suggestions (supplements, salts, brewers yeast, liver cleanses, etc..) have very little or no impact on his condition at all.

3. In general, dieting has little or no impact at all, even though certain foods seem to cause more serious bloating.

4. Exercise has absolutely no impact at all on his problem with bloating and water weight gain.

5. There is something very wrong with him that doctors have not yet been able to properly diagnose and treat. This "thing" that is wrong is tangible. It exists. It is real.

Honestly, as many of you might also be, Ed is more frustrated and dejected than words can describe. I have the impression he has no faith that the gastroenterologist will be able or willing to help him at all. Even though he knows many of you are going through the same problems with this horrible insidious bloating and water weight gain, he feels quite alone and helpless with this condition.

I can't help but feel that you guys who are experiencing this problem had something go wrong in your surgery. Perhaps a bile duct was accidentally cut or something (I have no idea)?

Sorry to post so negatively but honestly there is nothing positive or uplifting to report.

You can be sure one of us will share what the gastro-specialist has to say with all of you. I just hope it's not another dead end road.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Feb 04 2008 15:34:41
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Hi Hoyte, and J Allen...I have to say, I've remained the same 9 in weight), the thing that has helping is calcium pyruvate..it's a fat burner i take w/ every meal..i've also been drinking 8 oz of aloe a day..this has helped along w/ the clacium pyruvate in cutting down the bloat...i haven't been eating sensibly lately due to all the parties i've been attending, so that is a factor that has been getting in the way of losing actual lbs. But i have remained stable, no weight gain which is a plus.
Marieya, i'm w/ you, i'm all for the class action suit and would be more than happy to maybe bring this to the Tyra Banks show or any other show (other than Oprah, can't stand her)just to bring it to light..get on it, baby, i'm sure a lot of us will follow your lead!!


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Feb 04 2008 15:38:09
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quote:
Originally posted by echo

Hi Hoyte, and J Allen...I have to say, I've remained the same 9 in weight), the thing that has helping is calcium pyruvate..it's a fat burner i take w/ every meal..i've also been drinking 8 oz of aloe a day..this has helped along w/ the clacium pyruvate in cutting down the bloat...i haven't been eating sensibly lately due to all the parties i've been attending, so that is a factor that has been getting in the way of losing actual lbs. But i have remained stable, no weight gain which is a plus.
Marieya, i'm w/ you, i'm all for the class action suit and would be more than happy to maybe bring this to the Tyra Banks show or any other show (other than Oprah, can't stand her)just to bring it to light..get on it, baby, i'm sure a lot of us will follow your lead!!



GOOD GRIEF!! WHAT A TYPING HAZARD I SOUNDED LIKE AN ILLITERATE SMUT!! SAME 9 IN WEIGHT?? NO IDEA WHERE THAT CAME FROM..THE THING THAT "HAS BEEN HELPING"...SORRY GUYS!!


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 04 2008 16:58:03
Message:

First Meeting with gastroenterologist:

Ed just returned from meeting w/ the gastro-specialist. It so happens this person assisted with the surgery to remove his gall bladder.

Bottom Line: He said this is not related to having had his gall bladder removed. His bloating and weight gain is "non-specific and probably fat". He said he reviewed all of Ed's medical records and everything was absolutely normal and as it should be, including liver function, etc.. When Ed mentioned this site (specifically this thread) he was entirely uninterested and said it "wasn't scientific". This was really not what Ed was hoping to hear, but he was not surprised. I think he was hoping the guy would agree to take him into surgery and open him up & take a look and find whatever the hell is wrong.

Even so, he has scheduled Ed for x-rays on Wednesday to check for blockages and said he had 3 or 4 other tests he would do if the x-rays fail to show anything (?).

So here we have it once again folks, from the experts "this has nothing to do with having had your gall bladders removed".

Oh brother


Reply author: brianne83
Replied on: Feb 04 2008 21:49:44
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whoa,i am so happy to have found this forum...i thought i was going insane....i had my gallbladder removed at 17,because of a gallstone blockage...i am now 24 and have gained 60 pds and im 5' feet tall.i weighed 110 prior to surgery and actually i lost weight right after the surgery,then out of the blue i just started gaining...and boy,did i gain!i would gain 2 pounds in one day...then i would starve myself for two days only to have lost maybe a pound...its so awful!i finally made myself sick so i stopped starving and tried maintain a very strict,healthy diet (salad,veggies,no fried foods,no sugar) but alas...i still gained.it has effected every part of my life.im so depressed because i feel everything slipping away....i refuse to take my shirt off during sex with my husband(in fact,i hate having sex now,because of my weight) my son and husband ask me why i hardly eat but am fat...its so frustrating.its effecting my marriage and my social life....i wish i would have never had the damn surgery!thank you for listening...and sorry to sound like a downer but i really needed to vent!


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 05 2008 07:20:20
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Welcome Brianne,

We're listening. We hear you. We believe you.

I wish I could say your doctor would believe you too, but he or she will most likely not take you seriously and believe that you actually have a problem other than a need to be more serious and dilegent about your dieting and exercise.

I think it's about time for a dedicated website or something else to dramatically draw attention to this. Just imagine all the hard working, seriously dieting people walking around out there with swollen bellies who cannot get rid of this "excess post gall bladder removal water weight" and have no idea what in the hell is going on!

Then imagine all those who have given up. It's certainly understandable that they would give up on themselves since the medical community has already given up on them.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 06 2008 08:07:14
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Of interest...

(this is a copy of first draft of letter from Ed to his doctor...he'll likely make more changes before sending it, but I thought you folks would appreciate his sentiments. This letter does not really express the depth of his frustration with the doctors who continue to deny that he actually has a condition worthy of medical attention other than more careful dieting and exercise)

Dr. [withheld],

Thank you for the appointment on Monday. It may be that you received insight to my concerns but the only thing that remains ringing and resounding in my head is your closing observation and comment that my problem may be merely and simply “stored fat”.

I have been living and working with this issue for some time now. I have worked with many medical practitioners and at this point of understanding, I cannot accept that my concern is simply stored fat. The continual swelling, the increase in body girth, the widely fluctuating weight gains and shifts, none of these things behave like stored fat. In none of my research and to my knowledge of my condition, and as far as I am able to ascertain in talking with various sources after my consultation with you, fat does not “cause pain” nor does it have the “debilitating features” that I experience and as I shared with you, nor do my symptoms of physical discomfort resemble “stored fat”. My condition reacts more like "The Little Shop of Horrors” than ‘The Blob” of fat.

If, indeed, this is your impression that I am simply working with stored fat, then I would not willingly choose to continue testing with the opinion that obviously discounts all my concerns and problems by providing the label that it is simply stored fat. Unless I have sorely mistaken your comment, it does not appear that there is much reason to search for stored fat with electronic testing or x-ray procedures!

For now, I will go for the testing scheduled this week, but I am sure that you can understand my reluctance as to whether I should continue expensive testing if your impression is that I am merely working with an issue of stored fat.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Feb 06 2008 08:23:29
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by j.Allen

Of interest...

(this is a copy of first draft of letter from Ed to his doctor...he'll likely make more changes before sending it, but I thought you folks would appreciate his sentiments. This letter does not really express the depth of his frustration with the doctors who continue to deny that he actually has a condition worthy of medical attention other than more careful dieting and exercise)

Dr. [withheld],

Thank you for the appointment on Monday. It may be that you received insight to my concerns but the only thing that remains ringing and resounding in my head is your closing observation and comment that my problem may be merely and simply “stored fat”.

I have been living and working with this issue for some time now. I have worked with many medical practitioners and at this point of understanding, I cannot accept that my concern is simply stored fat. The continual swelling, the increase in body girth, the widely fluctuating weight gains and shifts, none of these things behave like stored fat. In none of my research and to my knowledge of my condition, and as far as I am able to ascertain in talking with various sources after my consultation with you, fat does not “cause pain” nor does it have the “debilitating features” that I experience and as I shared with you, nor do my symptoms of physical discomfort resemble “stored fat”. My condition reacts more like "The Little Shop of Horrors” than ‘The Blob” of fat.

If, indeed, this is your impression that I am simply working with stored fat, then I would not willingly choose to continue testing with the opinion that obviously discounts all my concerns and problems by providing the label that it is simply stored fat. Unless I have sorely mistaken your comment, it does not appear that there is much reason to search for stored fat with electronic testing or x-ray procedures!

For now, I will go for the testing scheduled this week, but I am sure that you can understand my reluctance as to whether I should continue expensive testing if your impression is that I am merely working with an issue of stored fat.



tell ed to prove this obtuse dr wrong..if it's stored fat, a fat burner will burn the "stored fat" off. as i said in my earlier post, calcium pyruvate has helped me w/the "excess fat" it hasn't made me lose all my weight but it has helped. i'll be the first to say that all this weight gain is from the removal of my GB. maybe it's time that this forum really gets noticed, anyone know how to do it? I think that tyra banks would take take this on because she always deals w/ weight gain.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 06 2008 13:32:11
Message:

Hello Echo,

I agree that this situation that all you guys are living with needs more attention. I don't know whether or not this forum best for that purpose or not. I'm sure you recall that one of the more prolific posters here (was it Phyllis something or other?) was more than a little annoyed that she had to "look at" this thread.

By the way, Ed is off getting his X-Rays right now. That should be interesting.

Ed's personal trainer was extremely annoyed to learn that his doctor specialists believes he just needs to deal with "the excess fat". Good Grief!!


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Feb 07 2008 10:37:39
Message:

J ALLEN WROTE>>>>

""Ed is firmly convinced (and frankly, all of us who know him agree) that the following statements are true:

1. His inability to lose weight is DIRECTLY related to having had his gall bladder removed.

2. All of the suggestions (supplements, salts, brewers yeast, liver cleanses, etc..) have very little or no impact on his condition at all.

3. In general, dieting has little or no impact at all, even though certain foods seem to cause more serious bloating.

4. Exercise has absolutely no impact at all on his problem with bloating and water weight gain.

5. There is something very wrong with him that doctors have not yet been able to properly diagnose and treat. This "thing" that is wrong is tangible. It exists. It is real. ""


I can completely identify with this! It's the most accurate thing I've read on this forum!


I am still waiting for my bile salts, had run out and haven't been on them for 3-4 wks. I also haven't weighed myself in nearly a month because have been working out like crazy/counting cals/fats etc.

CAN YOU BELIEVE I GOT ON THE SCALE TODAY AND HAVE GAINED 7 LBS!!!!!! ((please do not say it is muscle either, I'm up to 217)) I would almost be laughing by now if I wasn't crying. This is seriously crazy. There is no logic to it whatsoever.

AM forwarding this forum link to Tyra, Oprah, and even Dr Phil! Someone has to listen and make the medical community responsible! I wonder what Dr Oz from Oprah has to say ... am gonna see if he has his own website, I love him!


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Feb 07 2008 15:20:49
Message:

Just sent this website to Dr. Oz and gave a brief description of what is going on.

If anyone else wants to feel free
http://www.oprah.com/xm/email/xm_email_helpline.jhtml


Reply author: Cranekc
Replied on: Feb 07 2008 22:50:08
Message:

Hi Guys....

something to read about....i went to an herb and supplement store and the guy told me to start taking Betaine HCL, Pepsin and Gentian Bitters by Doctor's Best...you can get it online. It has been working for me. I started reading more about benefits of betaine hcl and pepsin...gentian bitters is just an added bonus for your liver. they say not to take it if you have ever had stomach ulcers and to take it after a meal. just food for thought.

it is inexpensive and it wouldn't hurt to try it. we've all tried everything else!


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Feb 07 2008 23:55:36
Message:

Thanks Crane, how did u think to start taking the Betaine? Seems like it would have been a good try for an alternative to surgery (if was only given the choice!)

Product Details

Betaine HCl Pepsin & Gentian Bitters contains three nutritional factors that perform complementary functions designed to support the efficiency of the digestive process. Research suggests that the efficiency of stomach acid production may be altered with the ageing process. Supplementing with Betaine HCl may support the stomach’s digestive capacity.* Pepsin is an enzyme produced by the body to digest protein-containing foods in the stomach. Pepsin works in conjunction with stomach acid to support protein digestion.* Gentian is an herb used traditionally in many cultures to optimize digestive capacity and tonify the digestive tract. Its bitter nature may help to stimulate the body’s production of digestive enzymes.*


Reply author: jennidee
Replied on: Feb 08 2008 01:31:59
Message:

hi everyone, I've just read the flood of replies that came through lately.
I will forward the thread on to Dr Cabot (the liver dr) who lives in Australia and often deals with controversial health issues.

For me, I have some good news.
I rejoined weightwatchers and followed the points plan carefully, being quite sure to include very good coices from all food groups. I lost 1.5 kilos in the first week (about 3 pounds?) I also exercised every second day this week, either 20 minutes aerobics or 45 minutes walking. This loss is slower than the first time I joined (in the first week last time I lost about 2.5 kilos (nearly 5 pounds) and about 0.7 kilos (just over a pound) each week after that. Even if my weight loss is slower this time - I'll take it.


Reply author: Cranekc
Replied on: Feb 08 2008 13:08:09
Message:

Please read this:

Supplier:
Brand: Vitamost
Case Size: 6

UltraGest
100 tabs

Description: Ultragest is a broad spectrum digestive enzyme supplement. Its hydrochloric acid content improves digestion in the stomach. Its bile content emulsifies fats so that fat-splitting enzymes can go to work on them (a must for those with no gallbladder). Hydrochloric acid and bile also destroy gastrointestinal parasites. DYGEST’s pancreatin provides enzymes that break down proteins, fats, and starches. Papain is a vegetable enzyme (from raw papaya) that helps break down proteins. Peppermint soothes the digestive tract, reducing flatulence.
Ultragest’s hydrochloric acid and pepsin go to work immediately on food in the stomach. Its bile and pancreatin also start to work in the stomach, but their action is minimal there because they work primarily on food constituents that have already been broken down by stomach enzymes. The bile and pancreatin become fully active when they reach the small intestine.
When the food mass reaches the duodenum, its acidity (enhanced by Ultragest’s HCl) triggers the pancreas to release its own pancreatin plus bicarbonate (to provide an alkaline environment). Thus, the pancreatin in DYGEST adds to the body’s natural production of pancreatic enzymes. [For further details, see Digestion: Inner Pathway to Health.]


Benefits & How it Works: Hydrochloric acid is not an enzyme. Its role is to provide the acid medium needed for digestion to take place in the stomach. Hydrochloric acid helps to convert pepsinogen (an inactive enzyme precursor) into the active enzyme, pepsin. It is the pepsin which starts the breakdown of proteins in the stomach.
Without adequate hydrochloric acid and pepsin, the body cannot break down proteins into their constituent amino acids. These amino acids, in turn, are the building blocks from which bodily cells, antibodies, hormones and enzymes are built. Here we have a “catch 22" situation. If our bodies do not produce enough enzymes, then they cannot break down protein sufficiently to manufacture more enzymes. Supplementary digestive enzymes can help to break this vicious cycle.
Amino acids are also needed to surround or “chelate” the mineral ions liberated from our food and supplements during digestion. Without an adequate supply of amino acids, some minerals tend to stick against the intestinal wall rather than pass through it – because of opposing electromagnetic charges. The amino acids that surround a mineral ion neutralize its charge, enabling it to be absorbed. Thus, a poor supply of hydrochloric acid and pepsin can impair our ability to absorb and utilize minerals.
Some people rely on amino acid chelated mineral supplements to compensate for poor mineral absorption. Doing so, however, only bypasses the underlying digestive weakness. It makes more sense to take supplementary hydrochloric acid and enzymes to help the body utilize minerals from the rest of the diet as well as from supplements.
When food leaves the stomach, it is only partially digested. In the duodenum it is mixed with pancreatin, contained in the juice secreted by the pancreas. Pancreatin is a complex enzyme that contains proteases (for digesting proteins), amylases (for digesting starches), and lipases (for digesting fats).
Also in the duodenum, fatty foods are mixed with bile, which is produced in the liver and stored (and concentrated) in the gall bladder. Bile is not an enzyme. It is an emulsifier that breaks down fats into droplets tiny enough for the lipase enzymes to work on them. Without sufficient bile, undigested fats enter the intestines where they combine with minerals to form insoluble soaps, which are constipating. During constipation, putrefaction can produce dangerous cancer-causing substances (e.g., apcholic acid, 3-methyl cholanthrene). Thus, those who produce insufficient bile – and especially those who have had their gall bladders removed – are at greater risk of colon cancer and degenerative conditions caused by poor mineral absorption. Supplementary bile salts can help to reduce this risk and to restore proper digestion. Almost everyone over age 40 can benefit from digestive support. Some of the more obvious signs of needing it include burping, belching, bloating, flatulence, halitosis, nausea, constipation, a burning sensation in the stomach, and/or a full, sluggish feeling after eating a heavy meal of meat or other protein.


Dosages & Ingredients: Suggested Use: 1 tablet with each meal.

Ingredients:
1 tablet contains:
Betaine Hydrochloride....... 88 mg
Pepsin..................... 188 mg
Pancreatin 8x..............2.75 mg
Bile ........................88 mg
Papain .....................122 mg
Bromelain....................44 mg
Peppermint...................66 mg
Ginger Root..................22 mg
Providing 1,320,000 units of Protease activity, 5400 of Amylase activity and, 1,100 units of Lipase activity



Self Test: First thing in the morning, on an empty stomach, take 1 Ultragest tablet. Next morning take 2 tablets in the same way. On the third morning, take 3 – and so on. Keep on increasing the number of tablets until you experience a slight burning sensation in the stomach. Then, back off by one tablet and that is your optimum daily intake (e.g., if you get a burn on 5 tablets, then 4 is your daily amount). Apportion this daily amount according to how difficult those meals are to digest (e.g., for 4 daily -- 1 with breakfast, 1 with lunch and 2 with dinner).

Digestive Enzymes

Hydrochloric acid is not an enzyme. Its role is to provide the acid medium needed for digestion to take place in the stomach. Hydrochloric acid helps to convert pepsinogen (an inactive enzyme precursor) into the active enzyme, pepsin. It is the pepsin which starts the breakdown of proteins in the stomach.
Without adequate hydrochloric acid and pepsin, the body cannot break down proteins into their constituent amino acids. These amino acids, in turn, are the building blocks from which bodily cells, antibodies, hormones and enzymes are built. Here we have a “catch 22" situation. If our bodies do not produce enough enzymes, then they cannot break down protein sufficiently to manufacture more enzymes. Supplementary digestive enzymes can help to break this vicious cycle.
Amino acids are also needed to surround or “chelate” the mineral ions liberated from our food and supplements during digestion. Without an adequate supply of amino acids, some minerals tend to stick against the intestinal wall rather than pass through it – because of opposing electromagnetic charges. The amino acids that surround a mineral ion neutralize its charge, enabling it to be absorbed. Thus, a poor supply of hydrochloric acid and pepsin can impair our ability to absorb and utilize minerals.
Some people rely on amino acid chelated mineral supplements to compensate for poor mineral absorption. Doing so, however, only bypasses the underlying digestive weakness. It makes more sense to take supplementary hydrochloric acid and enzymes to help the body utilize minerals from the rest of the diet as well as from supplements.
When food leaves the stomach, it is only partially digested. In the duodenum it is mixed with pancreatin, contained in the juice secreted by the pancreas. Pancreatin is a complex enzyme that contains proteases (for digesting proteins), amylases (for digesting starches), and lipases (for digesting fats).
Also in the duodenum, fatty foods are mixed with bile, which is produced in the liver and stored (and concentrated) in the gall bladder. Bile is not an enzyme. It is an emulsifier that breaks down fats into droplets tiny enough for the lipase enzymes to work on them. Without sufficient bile, undigested fats enter the intestines where they combine with minerals to form insoluble soaps, which are constipating. During constipation, putrefaction can produce dangerous cancer-causing substances (e.g., apcholic acid, 3-methyl cholanthrene). Thus, those who produce insufficient bile – and especially those who have had their gall bladders removed – are at greater risk of colon cancer and degenerative conditions caused by poor mineral absorption. Supplementary bile salts can help to reduce this risk and to restore proper digestion. Almost everyone over age 40 can benefit from digestive support. Some of the more obvious signs of needing it include burping, belching, bloating, flatulence, halitosis, nausea, constipation, a burning sensation in the stomach, and/or a full, sluggish feeling after eating a heavy meal of meat or other protein


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 08 2008 13:34:01
Message:

I know that Ed has spent over $400.00 ordering supplements and other items recommended on this thread alone.

When I tried to get the price, I found the article pasted above along with this: "Please Call for Price".

Maybe I'm too cynical or suspicious at this point after what I've observed from watching Ed consume all these products and follow all the various diet suggestions.

Can anyone say firsthand that they have taken any of these expensive products and it solved their problem once and for all?

I still think something went wrong in your surgeries...something that apparently cannot be detected using X-Rays, CAT scans, & standard blood tests etc..

The fact is, most of you folks are experiencing the same problem with ongoing bloating and water weight gain (some of you may have constipation, diarrea...while some of you don't), but all of you cannot get rid of the excess water weight gain and bloating no matter what you eat, what supplements/enzymes/etc.. you consume along with your various diets, and no matter or amount of exercise will help you lose and keep off the weight either.

THAT IS NOT RIGHT! SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG WITH YOUR BODIES AND THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY IS NOT RESPONDING TO YOU! This is the bottom line and after 56 pages of postings in this thread with no one able to offer a solution that others can duplicate I'm beginning to think this problem won't be solved until a compassionate and competent doctor or medical professional takes you seriously and works with you to find the solution to your medical problem.

Did all of you have the laproscopic (sp?) surgery that Ed had? Maybe that surgery has more risks for damage than the doctors know or understand? Maybe one of these doctors needs to take a closer look and see if something was damaged during the surgery?




Reply author: echo
Replied on: Feb 08 2008 14:12:28
Message:

jallen, i completely agree...i've spent a lot of money on herbs, etc.. still, NOTHING has brought me back to my normal weight..i've kept it down w/ the calcium pyruvate and all the other crap i take, but i have a long way to go to feel normal again... the problem wasn't the surgery, the problem started by a doctor reccommending surgery before offering alternatives.. i was stupid to not do my research, of course i had no time, however i should have waited to jump regardless. Our GB is in our body for a reason, just because a dr. thinks we can live w/o it and can't find a reason for having a certain organ, doesn't make him God. Our bodies were created the way they are for a reason, no matter what your religion in what you believe, race, or gender, we have our organs for a reason. I have a hard time believing that our appendix is useless, just because a "DOCTOR" can't find a reason doesn't mean there is no reason.
our GB breaks fat down, they know that, but they can't figure out why our weight has gone up??? makes the doctors look like complete morons, apparently it doesn't take a freakin rocket scientist to figure out the problem, it's just organ thieves trying to back up their malpractice of removing an organ that pads their pockets..simple as that


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Feb 08 2008 19:54:01
Message:

LOL well put echo, ur post made me laugh

I think I'm gonna go to the dark side and try one of those fat burners like Superdrine or something. I'll letcha know how that goes.

Oh, and J. Allen, there is a lot of info out there on the beginning "trial" phases of cholecystectomy. People were told they had to have the surgery, elderly and people whom Drs targeted. They were more frequent than not knicks to the bile duct and people were not told and just got sicker and sicker and/or died. Granted I'm disgusted with this weight gain but at least I have my life. It's horrifying what some people went thru.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 09 2008 09:31:31
Message:

I'm guessing that the vast majority of people who've had their gall bladders removed do not have any problems with bloating and water weight gain and retention post surgery.

Certainly there is a significant number of people who have a very serious problem with extreme bloating and water weight gain after they've had their gall bladders removed. For these folks, the problems are physically debilitating and devastating both physically and mentally.

Why is it only some people who have their gall bladders removed have this problem while the majority apparently does not? Do you guys have something in common that the majority does not have in common with you? Could it be that something unknown went wrong with your surgeries?

Ed recently had an X-Ray (and a CAT scan), the results of which he just learned are unremarkable. There is nothing in these tests that would explain his bloating. He has retained 7 more pounds of water weight in the past week (his diet is right around 12-15 hundred calories per day of healthy foods and he works out regularly).

When Ed told me the gastroenterologist told him it was likely stored fat I wanted to walk up to the man and throw a bucket of ice water on him, slap him very hard across his face, and tell him to open up his eyes and take a closer look, and use his freakin hands to palpate him and see if his comment sqares with the fact that Ed's entire body is rock solid muscles except for the water balloon riding on top of his six pack abs! Then I wanted to ask him, with all of his knowledge and education if he really thought it was possible for a man to gain 3 pounds of fat overnight after having consumed lettuce leaves and carrots. For heaven's sakes, HOW MANY SYMPTOMS DO THESE DOCTORS NEED BEFORE THEY ACCEPT THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM?????

For heaven sakes people!


Reply author: AmyP
Replied on: Feb 11 2008 19:11:27
Message:

Unbelievable. I've been part of the Dietpower communtiy for at least a couple of years (Monthly Challenge) and had my gall bladder out about a month ago. I'm bloated and feel awful. I've been following the strictest diet and running like a fiend, yet my weight is holding steady (when I should have lost at least 7-8 pounds according to the "numbers"). I googled "weight gain after gall bladder surgery" and what was the first link to come up? Dietpower.

So, people... What's the answer here? You are not filling me with a lot of hope. Has anyone had ANY luck with the supplements?


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 11 2008 20:14:24
Message:

RE:
AmyP
Unbelievable. I've been part of the Dietpower communtiy for at least a couple of years (Monthly Challenge) and had my gall bladder out about a month ago. I'm bloated and feel awful. I've been following the strictest diet and running like a fiend, yet my weight is holding steady (when I should have lost at least 7-8 pounds according to the "numbers"). I googled "weight gain after gall bladder surgery" and what was the first link to come up? Dietpower.

So, people... What's the answer here? You are not filling me with a lot of hope. Has anyone had ANY luck with the supplements?


_____________________________________________________________________
AmyP,

I'm very sorry to hear that you're also having these issues. I'm even more sorry to tell you that as far as I know, no one here has found the answer to this very real medical problem.

One thing I will certainly suggest at this point when your doctor tells you that your bloating and weight gain has nothing to do with your gall bladder being removed (and your doctor will tell you that)..look him or her straight in the eye and tell them that they are very wrong and missinformed about this. The doctor won't appreciate you saying this, of course, but it is the truth.

Your doctor will not want to accept this truth. I cannot tell you why this will be the case. I suspect it has something to do with having to expose themselves as being infallible, or not wanting to deal with the guilt associated with not being able to help you resolve this medical problem, or maybe (if they have had anything to do with your surgery) accepting that perhaps something went wrong in the surgery. I just don't know.

As far as hope, maybe I can offer some. You've only had your surgery very recently, so maybe for you this is just a temporary response and your body will get back to normal. Others (those posting in this thread) have been dealing with this for years and years, and many have had very significant bloating and water weight gains.

There is at least one long term poster on this forum who has accused people here of blaming their weight gain on their gall bladder surgery (many of those posters were so disgusted with her cruel and callous comments that they don't bother coming around here any more). I don't remember her name but I think is was phyllis something or other. Best advice, ignore her, she knows not what she says.

One more piece of advice. Keep a very detailed journal of what you eat and how much you exercise every single day. This may help you to help yourself to some degree. It may also help convince your doctor that something is indeed wrong (assuming the doctor doesn't think you're lying).

Another bit of advice, don't starve yourself. It won't help, and in fact it will hurt. Also, don't work out to the point of absolute exhaustion and craziness. That won't help either.

Be good to yourself, and be wary of people who say they have the answers and point you to products you need to buy.

Good Luck Amy & keep us posted.


Reply author: AmyP
Replied on: Feb 11 2008 22:47:30
Message:

Thanks J Allen.

I really appreciate your response. I still have some hope that this will be temporary for me. I also have full faith in my primary physician that she will believe me. Interestingly enough, I've been keeping perfect logs on my food since surgery along with an exercise log, so this should be good "proof" that I've done everything right. I'm eating about 1500 cals a day and I run at least 15-20 miles each week and I lift weights. My biggest concern is that the symptoms seem to be getting worse instead of better.

As far as "Phyllis" is concerned, I know her well. She is on the monthly challenge with dietpower every month. I haven't read all 56 pages on this thread, but I know Phyllis has offended folks in the past. Let me assure you that she doesn't mean to do this--but can sometimes come across as callous and factual, without compassion. She has an extensive weight loss/gain history and is now sitting at a very low weight which she has maintained with constant vigilance for over a year. Her advice is offered to help, but I know it can be misconstrued. I'm sorry to hear that it has run people off of this thread.

I am going to modify my diet a little more, and see what kind of results I can get. I'm also going to give it another week or so before I go back to discuss it with my primary physician. I'll definitely keep you posted, and I won't buy supplements in the mean time! Thanks for the caution!

Amy


Reply author: projectgallbladder
Replied on: Feb 12 2008 08:20:12
Message:

Hi all, new to this group

Dyslexic, sorry in advance for the poor grammar

My story is very similar to all. Symptoms include increased weight gain all round specify to belly, bloating around belly, and uncomfortable breathing, muscles not stretching fast enough to accommodate weight, recent reflux due to bile over flow, tiredness and depression from seeing your body disintegrate before your eyes.

My Gall Bladder was removed by New Zealand’s leading gall bladder surgeon specialists late 2006. Referred by my doctor, I book a surgery to have a stone removed. I was told at pre surgery appointment the day before surgery he would remove the entire Gall Bladder and there was would be no problems. I had believed they would simply remove the stone. Freaked, I searched the net that night and found sites which talked about cleansing diets. I canceled my surgery much to the disappointment of the private specialist and attempted to get rid of the stone. This failed, after 9 months and moderate pain I eventually book in the surgery following further discussion with doctor. Having been assure there was no problem (told I was doing the best thing on the hospital bed) I went through with the surgery. Biggest mistake in my life. He lied to me point blank. I was just another finance payment on a Porsche. The stone was only 12 x 7 mm. Brown crystal like inside. My instincts told me this was not right… I failed to believe in that small voice which said ‘no don’t do this’. Weigh gain started immediately. So I contacted the surgeon specialists about this weight and was told there was no correlation to gall bladder surgery. Just a normal weight gain for age.

The fight for heath really began 4 months ago when reflux kicked followed by massive belly weight gain which seemed to grow ½ inch per week. Working out on the rowing machine shows the extent on the weight problem, I cannot fully extend my lungs due to the weight compressed against my stomach. Going to the gym 4 days a week – high cardio does not work or halt the growth.

The cruelest thing is the single stone taken from my healthy gallbladder and was generated as a result of rapid weigh loss due to a massive change in life slyly 8 years prior. Being a toned athlete and continual gym junky, seeing this weigh reappear in less than 6 months, back to where I was 8 years ago is soul destroying. If I’d found this site before the surgery, I would gladly have paid 10 times to get the single stone out, a higher risk procedure which did exist prior to the new remove all technique.

With energy level low and employment position jeopardized due to tiredness most days, I feel I’m fighting for my life. If this is what happens after 12 months, I’ll be dead in 10 years. I am at loss to know what to do next. What can I do to get this now restrictive weight off (fat off from under and above the mussel) so I can breathe properly and fell normal. Have seriously considering liposuction to remove the uncomfortably weight from up front. However the recovery non exercise period scares me.

This site is great for shared stories on a problem which has gone undiagnosed for many years. And it seems to be the only site that offers any clues. however no definitive answers for corrective medicine or successful weight loss corrective eating diets.

Thanks for listing

Take care all - God bless

John


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 12 2008 10:03:31
Message:

RE:
Projectgallbladder (John)
Being a toned athlete and continual gym junky, seeing this weigh reappear in less than 6 months, back to where I was 8 years ago is soul destroying. If I’d found this site before the surgery, I would gladly have paid 10 times to get the single stone out, a higher risk procedure which did exist prior to the new remove all technique.

All very well said John. The comment above really stuck me because I have witnessed firsthand the "soul destroying" aspect you describe.

Yours words are one more important voice in this very important conversation about a very serious medical problem that the medical community is not addressing. Worse than not being able to help you people deal with this problem, is the fact that they do not acknowledge it as a medical problem. This is horrifying to me! Absolutely unconscionable and very, very bad medicine. All these doctors need do is open up their eyes and take a closer look at you folks, open up their ears and listen to you folks, take their hands out of their charts (or computer keyboards) and touch you folks. Then they need to open up their minds and use their education and training to help all of you solve this debilitating problem. And debilitating it is!

John, you speak of trouble breathing. I have seen that with Ed. He too has trouble breathing when he shouldn't. And we all know it's because he's BLOATED, and bloating damn near constantly! Have you tested your blood pressure? Ed's bloating often causes his blood pressure to rise significantly and 'oh boy don't the doctors and nurses want to hang on to that and prescribe him a pill...yipee!!' Problem is any of those blood pressure pills cause his blood pressure to skyrocket and increases his bloat (so fast you can watch it happen). He continually tells them to help him with his bloating and they'll fix his blood pressure problem...still, they only see the blood pressure reading and instist he take blood pressure pills even though they make the problem (including blood pressure) even worse.

John, you speak of going to the gym 4 times a week. Ed does the very same, also hired a very well qualified personal trainer to work with him one on one. They've been working out like crazy for well over six months (Ed worked out on his own for years prior to that) and still no effect on the bloating. His arms, chest, legs, back, shoulders, and abs are getting stronger but yet the bloating continues. He's tried every single diet under the sun and can vary the quantity of calories to within whatever range anyone wants to suggest (including trying fasting, & extreme diets)...nothing has worked! He can buy a veritable FORTUNE in supplements & has been willing to try ANYTHING that virtually ANYONE would suggest (including ingesting massive quantities of brewers yeast on a daily basis) and nothing has worked.

I am convinced that behind each one of your voices there are literally hundreds and hundreds more. So far, this thread on this forum seems to be the most concentrated place for these voices to be heard. Maybe it's time for a more visible means to be heard. Your screen name "projectgallbladder" almost suggests itself to such a way.

Isn't it time for a dedicated website for people to more easily find their way? Isn't it time for more public attention to this matter? Isn't it time for more of you folks to start working together & writing letters to medical schools, doctors, specialist, and perhaps powerful or public people who would be willing to help you guys find a more powerful collective voice? Oprah's Staff: "Are you listening?" Dr. Sanjay Gupta's research team: "Can you hear us?". Any up and coming medical students/professors/researchers: "Would you be able to help us solve this problem?" Any doctors out there: "Will you think about the possibility of the concept of actually considering the idea that these people might be actually telling you the truth and have a real problem?"

Anyone else?


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 12 2008 11:13:10
Message:

RE:
AmyP
I'm eating about 1500 cals a day and I run at least 15-20 miles each week and I lift weights. My biggest concern is that the symptoms seem to be getting worse instead of better.

I'm certainly no expert (and with 900 posts here I would bet a years salary that you know MUCH more than I do about proper diet & exercise), but I did want to share with you that Ed consumes about the same number of calories per day (he's about 6'2", roughly 245-250 lbs & trying to get to back to around 200, which was his average pre gall bladder surgery weight...though he would be thrilled to reach the 210's or even the 2 "teens" about now...hell, I think he'd be thrilled just to head down (on a steady basis). Some day's he'll get up to around 2000 or 2500 calories because his trainer tells him he should consume at least that much considering how much he works out.

My question is this. How many calories do you think he should be consuming considering his height, weight, & heavy exercise schedule (weight lifting 4x per week....cardio 2-3x per week)?


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Feb 12 2008 15:50:40
Message:

Keeping a journal is and excellent idea. I had the same issue with my doctor not believing me about my diet and exercise habit, because I kept gaining weight. I started to keep a journal. It helped to keep me sane. The problem is,no one believes you about the bloating and water retention,weight gain, the sudden shifts in weight.They try to convince you that it is all in your mind.If you are not very carefull you would begin to wonder too, because none of it fits a logical pattern. Keeping a journal keeps it real for you,when you see it all, in black and white.Then as JAllen said it would prehaps convince your doctor also about your REAL, not IMAGINED PROBLEM.


Reply author: AmyP
Replied on: Feb 12 2008 20:03:07
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by j.Allen

RE:
AmyP
I'm eating about 1500 cals a day and I run at least 15-20 miles each week and I lift weights. My biggest concern is that the symptoms seem to be getting worse instead of better.

I'm certainly no expert (and with 900 posts here I would bet a years salary that you know MUCH more than I do about proper diet & exercise), but I did want to share with you that Ed consumes about the same number of calories per day (he's about 6'2", roughly 245-250 lbs & trying to get to back to around 200, which was his average pre gall bladder surgery weight...though he would be thrilled to reach the 210's or even the 2 "teens" about now...hell, I think he'd be thrilled just to head down (on a steady basis). Some day's he'll get up to around 2000 or 2500 calories because his trainer tells him he should consume at least that much considering how much he works out.

My question is this. How many calories do you think he should be consuming considering his height, weight, & heavy exercise schedule (weight lifting 4x per week....cardio 2-3x per week)?



I don't pretend to be an expert either, HOWEVER, I know that 1500 calories a day for a man that size who is exercising that much is definitely WAY TOO LOW! His body would put itself in starvation mode at that point. I would guess that the trainer's suggestion of 2000 to 2500 is more the correct amount of calories to burn fat. I would also bet that even closer to 3000 wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility.

I'm an occupational therapist that works in an outpatient rehab center. We work with football players about the size of Ed, and their Basal Metabolic Rate is over 4000 cals a day! This is the amount of calories their bodies burn WITHOUT exercise! So eating 1500 would be rediculously low for a person that size. I'm surprised the trainer isn't INSISTING that Ed eat more calories, let alone "suggesting" it.

A great way to prove to yourself what your body burns at the base level is to have a test done that calculates your personal BMR (basal metabolic rate) through a breathing apparatus. My company used to offer it but they don't anymore. I believe a lot of gyms might offer this test. It's called the "BodyGem" and it takes about 30 minutes to complete. It ends up telling you exactly how many calories you burn while sitting still. It's definitely something worth looking into.


Reply author: Debby
Replied on: Feb 13 2008 05:00:38
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Description: Ultragest is a broad spectrum digestive enzyme supplement. Its hydrochloric acid content improves digestion in the stomach. Its bile content emulsifies fats so that fat-splitting enzymes can go to work on them (a must for those with no gallbladder). Hydrochloric acid and bile also destroy gastrointestinal parasites. DYGEST’s pancreatin provides enzymes that break down proteins, fats, and starches. Papain is a vegetable enzyme (from raw papaya) that helps break down proteins. Peppermint soothes the digestive tract, reducing flatulence.
Ultragest’s hydrochloric acid and pepsin go to work immediately on food in the stomach. Its bile and pancreatin also start to work in the stomach, but their action is minimal there because they work primarily on food constituents that have already been broken down by stomach enzymes. The bile and pancreatin become fully active when they reach the small intestine.
When the food mass reaches the duodenum, its acidity (enhanced by Ultragest’s HCl) triggers the pancreas to release its own pancreatin plus bicarbonate (to provide an alkaline environment). Thus, the pancreatin in DYGEST adds to the body’s natural production of pancreatic enzymes. [For further details, see Digestion: Inner Pathway to Health.]

Um, don't see how this would help me seeing as I have a problem with excess acid already. Since having my gallbladder removed I have been getting heartburn and other digestive problems much more frequently. I wonder if some of this is due to bile leaking continually into my stomach. As well I still haven't lost any weight although I haven't put on a huge amount either. I was having trouble losing weight even before the surgery, but maybe that is because the gallbladder really wasn't doing anything anyway. I haven't tried strict dieting, but I have tried exercising and using tabs that were supposed to increase your metabolism. I went away for a week last year just before Christmas and exercised for over an hour every day (treadmill and swimming), while taking these tablets and eating fairly well, and when I came back I discovered I had put on 1.2kg! It couldn't have just been muscle increase either, because I had been exercising regularly for weeks before that. Then, over Christmas and with no exercise, I lost 600g, or half of what I had put on. How does this make any sense, unless everything has a delayed effect in my body and what I do doesn't effect my body until a week later. It has been bad enough struggling with heartburn for years with no-one being able to do anything to help that, now I have to put up with not being able to lose weight as well. I agree with what everyone says about diet and exercise having no effect whatsoever - I am just as likely to gain weight when I am dieting and exercising, and lose it when I am eating too much and not doing any exercise. So it does all seem rather pointless - my weight just goes up and down regardless, but with a gradual upward trend. Having my gallbladder out has not given me one benefit (I wasn't having gallbladder attacks anyway) but has perhaps been to my detriment with increased heartburn and digestive probs plus weight gain. I would have my gallbladder back again if I could!


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Feb 13 2008 07:07:08
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I've been keeping up on this thread and it is disheartening to read all the replies. Every lead seems to be a dead end. I can only add that after having our gallbladders removed we have to live a certain lifestyle or it will lead to worse problems down the road. Like I said previously, without our gallbladders our liver has to work harder. I am doing a series of liver flushes. You can't just do one but if you have a congested liver you have to keep doing them until you stop seeing stones or at least not many. If the liver is choked with stones which is where they form, NOT the gallbladder like doctors think, then you must concentrate on getting the stones out so the bile can flow freely.

I've done 5 and will continue to do them until I feel I'm mostly free of stones. You can go on curezone.com and read a lot about liver flushes. I'm also taking some iodine because most Americans are deficient in it and it helps the metabolism.

I have lost another 4 pounds but I also eat a very strict diet and am fasting sometimes because I do believe that burns off fat and toxins better than anything. Juicing fasts are good for you. They give your digestive system a rest and give you more energy and burn up the fat and toxins stored in your body.

Anyway, that's what seems to be working for me now. It is an uphill climb and takes forever to lose 1 pound but I'm determined with God's help. Maybe someday we can all get a gallbladder transplant or someone will finally recognize we need help and discover something that will help us. In the meantime, we're on our own.


Reply author: brianne83
Replied on: Feb 13 2008 07:59:45
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was up researching last night and found this...http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1443570

thought it might have some insight as to what is going on but my internet connection is too slow and the page won't load for me...could someone read it and see if has any useful info on the weight gain and other problems...thanks!


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 13 2008 08:25:54
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Debby:
"I am just as likely to gain weight when I am dieting and exercising, and lose it when I am eating too much and not doing any exercise. So it does all seem rather pointless - my weight just goes up and down regardless, but with a gradual upward trend."

Debby, I think you just condensed what everyone has been saying all along in those 2 sentences. If I had a 5 dollar bill for every time I heard Ed say those very words!

Dbon:
"I've been keeping up on this thread and it is disheartening to read all the replies. Every lead seems to be a dead end."

Yes it is, and Yes, you're right! But we're going to keep looking. We're not going to give up until Oprah herself (or a lesser being) reaches down from the firmament and helps us find solutions to this very real and debilitating medical problem.

"I have lost another 4 pounds but I also eat a very strict diet and am fasting sometimes because I do believe that burns off fat and toxins better than anything. Juicing fasts are good for you. They give your digestive system a rest and give you more energy and burn up the fat and toxins stored in your body."

Very interesting to read this because just a few minutes ago Ed told me he put on 4 pounds overnight (1.8 kg). OVERNIGHT!!!
Be careful of the fasting. You can also read many contrary opinions regarding fasting & juicing fast etc. that would not agree that it is good for you or that it burns fat & stored toxins. Personally, I don't know what to believe about fasting?
What do you think about someone losing weight overnight after eating a huge bowl of ice cream and a big ol slice of pie? Don't make any sense does it? (Yeah, what Debby says...again, and again...this stuff don't make any sense folks....Any doctors out there listening???)
Keep us posted Dbon!

AmyP
We work with football players about the size of Ed, and their Basal Metabolic Rate is over 4000 cals a day! This is the amount of calories their bodies burn WITHOUT exercise! So eating 1500 would be rediculously low for a person that size. I'm surprised the trainer isn't INSISTING that Ed eat more calories, let alone "suggesting" it.


Thanks Amy. His trainer actually mentioned 4000 calories as an appropriate amount. Hard to imagine that Ed would be in starvation mode at around 2000 calories per day, but maybe you guys are on to something. (also thanks for tip re: BodyGem BMR test)

brianne;
was up researching last night and found this...http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1443570
thought it might have some insight as to what is going on but my internet connection is too slow and the page won't load for me...could someone read it and see if has any useful info on the weight gain and other problems


The article was from 1984 Issue of British Medical Journal. Of 103 patients in the study, at six months, 75 had gained weight 21 had lost weight and 7 had maintained their pre-operative weight. No significant differences for age & sex & pre-surgery weight. As a result of that test they started advising patients they will likely gain weight after having their gall bladders removed. They do not know why the patients gain weight, but even so they are advising their patients to avoid fatty food.


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Feb 13 2008 09:40:02
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I think that there has to be some doctors who have gotten the surgery themselves and are having the same problem as the rest of us. Those doctors need to read this thread and come out and admit that it is a risky surgery that should not be done except in life threatening cases. If there was a way to find a dr. who has had the surgery done and is experiencing the weight gain and other issues, then that might be a start in getting the medical community to listen. Anyone know any doctors who have had the surgery?

Yes, j.Allen, I have read about the dangers of fasting but the way see it is if God instructed us to do it in the bible, which He did, then I figure it must be a good thing. I believe if people ate less and fasted more, they wouldn't have so many health problems. When you juice fast, you still get the nutrients you need but your body feeds off the excess fat and stored toxins that have accumulated in our bodies. It is a cleansing process.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 13 2008 09:51:15
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Hi Dbon,

Interesting concept. Here's an article I found on the subject of fasting & the Bible that might interest you: http://www.new-life.net/fasting.htm .

We used a similar thought process with the Ezekiel Bread (we had called it "Bible bread", since the "recipie" was taken from the Old Testament). Anyway, we thought the Ezekiel bread would be good to consume since it's so healthy & well, biblical. Unfortunately for Ed, that turned out not to be the case. He can eat a slice or two of the Ezekiel bread and you can watch his stomach expand from the bloat. Yipes!


Reply author: Debby
Replied on: Feb 13 2008 18:13:42
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Fasting is not much good for me, and fruit juice also not, as these things increase the acid in my stomach and give me more heartburn. I really can't go too long with an empty stomach - the acid needs something to work on or it rises up instead. One thing I forgot to mention before was that when the scales said I had put on weight, I actually felt like I looked slimmer, and when it said I had lost weight, I looked and felt more bloated! Whatever!


Reply author: hoyte54
Replied on: Feb 13 2008 20:08:29
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Wow! Debby you are so right. The same thing happens to me.When I feel light the scale says that I have gained and when I feel heavy the scale registers that I have lost. Thanks for sharing that.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Feb 13 2008 23:35:17
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quote:
Originally posted by marieya

LOL well put echo, ur post made me laugh

I think I'm gonna go to the dark side and try one of those fat burners like Superdrine or something. I'll letcha know how that goes.

Oh, and J. Allen, there is a lot of info out there on the beginning "trial" phases of cholecystectomy. People were told they had to have the surgery, elderly and people whom Drs targeted. They were more frequent than not knicks to the bile duct and people were not told and just got sicker and sicker and/or died. Granted I'm disgusted with this weight gain but at least I have my life. It's horrifying what some people went thru.



HI MARIEYA!!!! girl, just get yourself some calcium pyruvate, it's what the diet drs reccommend. It's helped TREMENDOUSLY w/ keeping my weight down. I haven't gained anything and I have to admit I fell into a sugar frenzy recently for the first time in years. I think it's depression or something..lol!! Anyway, the calcium pyruvate is an AWESOME fat burner, vitacost.com has it cheaper than anywhere i've ever seen. You only need 3000mg a day, more than that can make you nauseous. the pills come in 750mg. I take 2 with breakfast and 2 with dinner. Ket me know how you do regardless!! Take care and i hope it works!!


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Feb 13 2008 23:43:54
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one key thing that i do not suggest doing w/o is the bile salts. ALL OF US need to stay on those. It has made a difference w/ me and what I eat. If I don't take them, anything I put in my mouth either makes me sick or I gain 5 lbs overnight. I hope that we are all getting somewhere. I have a good feeling especially w/ all the new people signing up for this forum. it's good to know ya'll are out there and each and every one of us is not alone. As long as we all hang in there, our questions will be answered sooner or later.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 14 2008 10:07:21
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Hi Echo,

Good to hear from you again, and it's really good to hear you're having such good results with the calcium pyruvate. If I understand you correctly, you haven't lost weight with the calcium pyruvate but you are attributing it to being responsible for you not gaining anymore weight. Is that correct? Also, I'm curious to know why you are recomending taking the calcium pyruvate only along with bile salts.

I'm confused about the bile salts, even though I know you're convinced they are helping you in some way. Ed ordered a ton of the bile salts and took them for several weeks with no positive effects at all. I think he stopped taking them, but I'm not really sure.

One aspect of the language we're kicking around in this discussion is "fat", especially with respect to "fat burners". Would everyone agree that if you gain 4 or 5 pounds overnight that you did not gain 4 or 5 pounds of fat?

Ed's trainer told him he essentially has little or no fat, and indeed he doesn't seem to at all. Rather, the weight seems to be "water". Further, with regard to "fat burners", Ed's trainer (and his primary doctor) told him "do not, do not, do not" take fat burners. Interestingly enough, he's actually recommending that Ed add some fat to his diet (which admittedly is probably very lacking).

This is all very confusing. I would be curious to know more of what you ladies and gentlemen believe your excess bloating and weight to be. On an intuitive level, would you think your weight issue is fat, or would you think it is water?

Thank you to everyone for participating in this discussion.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Feb 14 2008 12:46:07
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hey jallen!! good to hear from you as well!!! the bile salts are essential for the breakdown of fatty foods. our GB stored bile for digestion. now that we don't have it we have to make up for it by taking the supplement. have ed go to myvits.com, there's an 800 # on the website and an actual doctor will call him back with to answer any questions. I posted the the website long ago, and i do suggest calling the # the staff is very nice and very helpful. I've continued the bile salts and i have no problem eating what i want.

as far as the fat burner calcium pyruvate, before the holidays i lost 8lbs the first month i took them. However as i said, i've been on a sugar binge that i've never been on before. i crave sweets for some reason maybe because i left them out of my diet for so long? i don't know, i do know i haven't gained anything, i've gone back to my normal diet and i'm noticing a difference again, i just won't get on a scale for the next 4 weeks.

4-5 lbs of weight overnight is water, i do know i have no bloating anymore unless i miss a couple days of my supplements.
i'm taking 4 calc pyruvates a day 2 in the morn and 2 at nite
i take 4 brew yst w/ each meal,
1 digest gold w/ each meal
1 bile salt tab w/ each meal
2 flax seed oil twice a day w/ a meal
for some reason my stomach has remained flat even w/ the sugar binge i've been on. just because this works for me doesn't mean it will work for everyone. it does take time as we all know and you can't give up, you have to continue and within a 2 month period i noticed it working. the 4-5lb weight gain here and there has been tolerable, i've had no gas and no severe bloating like i've had before.
i know all the supps seem like a lot and i hate taking so much before a meal, it gets cumbersome, but i figure if it works for me, it's worth it.
the best and cheapest website to get calc pyr, flax seed oil and brewers yeast vitacost.com the bile salts and digest gold you can get at myvits.com.
the bottom line is, it sucks that i have to take this stuff to feel better, doctors fail to educate the public on supplements and insist that your diet does not have to change..lie after lie after lie. i truly believe ed is having a hard time, just tell him to keep up w/ the bile salts and give the supps time. in the meantime we'll all wait for that cure all and hopefully a doctor will end up taking us serious.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 15 2008 15:08:40
Message:

A little bit of an update on Ed's current attempts to find a solution with a local gastroenterologist:

He met with the specialist this morning who shared results of the recent series of tests, including CAT Scan/X-Rays/blood tests, etc.. and had the following comments:

1. Everything looks normal and healthy.
2. He examined Ed more completely and admitted that he presents exceptionally fit (hard muscled legs, arms, shoulders, back, & abs).
3. He said that he does not believe the "non-specific prominence" on his midsection is fat. He acknowledge that essentially means he doesn't know what is going on and what is causing the "non-specific prominence".
4. When Ed reminded him that this only happened after he had his gall bladder removed and told him about all of you that are posting here now and have posted before who are having the very same symptoms, he said "Well, medical science would not support that." Ed then reminded him that is the reason everyone is posting in this thread because their doctors are refusing to consider that having the gall bladder removed has anything to do with this bloating and water weight gain/retention, just as he was doing.
5. He then said he understood the point, but did not know what the cause of this "non-specific prominence" was, and would therefore refer him to the head of the gastro department at our local school of medicine.

Back to square one.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Feb 15 2008 23:48:23
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quote:
Originally posted by j.Allen

A little bit of an update on Ed's current attempts to find a solution with a local gastroenterologist:

He met with the specialist this morning who shared results of the recent series of tests, including CAT Scan/X-Rays/blood tests, etc.. and had the following comments:

1. Everything looks normal and healthy.
2. He examined Ed more completely and admitted that he presents exceptionally fit (hard muscled legs, arms, shoulders, back, & abs).
3. He said that he does not believe the "non-specific prominence" on his midsection is fat. He acknowledge that essentially means he doesn't know what is going on and what is causing the "non-specific prominence".
4. When Ed reminded him that this only happened after he had his gall bladder removed and told him about all of you that are posting here now and have posted before who are having the very same symptoms, he said "Well, medical science would not support that." Ed then reminded him that is the reason everyone is posting in this thread because their doctors are refusing to consider that having the gall bladder removed has anything to do with this bloating and water weight gain/retention, just as he was doing.
5. He then said he understood the point, but did not know what the cause of this "non-specific prominence" was, and would therefore refer him to the head of the gastro department at our local school of medicine.

Back to square one.



IDIOTS!!! See?? the doctors don't give crap..they don't even bother getting on this website...jallen, please have ed try the supps i'm taking, have him take them for a month and exactly like i've been doing, just to see if it will help. this has helped me, it hasn;t cured the weight gain, but it certainly has helped TREMENDOUSLY w/ the bloat and i've been able to eat normally...i really hope that dr oz takes this seriously.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 16 2008 08:39:07
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Thanks Echo, I'll tell him to find some time to read these past couple pages and pass along your advice. I do know he's pretty down on supplements & stuff since he's spent so much money on them in the past couple years and has has absolutely no results with them whatsover...not even a little bit that might provide some encouragement.

At least he was able to get this doctor to admit that this problem (ahem....non-specific prominence), was not because he was simply not dieting or exercising enough, and he was also able to admit that the problem was a medical problem that is debilitating and that he (the doctor) simply didn't know what was going on. In a way, that was progress since his primary physician (I should say former primary physician) only used the following wording in his medical chart (..patient is obsese and having trouble losing weight). His former primary physician would not word his condition as he was actually presenting himself, rather, he was wording it in such as way as to seemingly protect himself, or make himself feel better about not being able to deal with his actual problem. For the record, Ed is not at all obese, and for a doctor to say so is frighteningly bad medicine (doctor does not look at, feel, or listen to patient...that can't be good).

For the life of me I cannot understand why doctors refuse to see the connection with the removal of the gall bladder. I think you guys as a whole (and I'm sure you're only the tip of the iceberg), present an overwhelming sample of empirical data. But, alas, you folks aren't educated like the doctors are, and therefore you're simply not scientific. Sorry, but that's the way it is folks.

Even more sadly, this same gastro-specialist told Ed that it was possible he may just have to live with this & buy larger clothes.

Ouch!


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Feb 16 2008 22:17:30
Message:

echo is spot on about the bile salts! I ran out and didn't take them for a month or so and I think that is where I gained the additional weight. I had been hovering around the same weight for a while regardless of diet/exercise UNTIL I stopped the bile salts. I was exercising like mad and gaining like mad too!

I have said the same thing over and over... It doesn't matter if I am rigid with my diet/exercise or if I get slack off it has the exact same effect on my body either way.
I am only taking 1/2 the dose of Superdrine this week to get used to it. Am going to go to regular next week. Scale says am down 2 lbs but want to give it a full month and see how that goes because its too early to get hopes up.

I definitely think we should have our own forum / site. Does anyone know how to create one?


Reply author: ruby71975
Replied on: Feb 17 2008 01:55:36
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These posts are old but I thought that I would add my comment anyway. I had myn GB out in July of 99. I was told before the surgery that once the galbladder is gone my body would process fat twice and most people gain weight after this type of surgery. I two children prior to my GB being removed and two more children after. I am 5'10" tall and very unhappy with my weight. I know that I can lose weight it is just finding out what will work for me.

GB issues run in my family, my dad and his sister had theirs out. My youngest sister had hers out and she also suffers from insulin resistance and Polysistic Ovarian Syndrom. Usualy people with this are over weight. My sister went to LA weightloss and lost like fifty lbs. I can not afford this and will have to try another way. There is hope it is just finding the right formula.


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Feb 17 2008 07:14:47
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Everyone's body is different and for now, experimentation seems to be the only option each of us has to find out what works individually. This problem is not a "one size fits all" kind of problem. Each person has unique dynamics that affect how they react to different supplements, food, exercise, etc.

On sensiblehealth.com Julia Chang doesn't recommend taking bile salts because she says then your body becomes dependent on them and won't make their own. Others say after GB surgery, we should take them forever. Who to believe?

That's why I think each of us has to find out what works for us individually and not expect the same results as others because each of us have different bodies.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 17 2008 10:44:38
Message:

I guess I have a slightly different take on the problem.

I think there is a "one size fits all solution" out there for people for which all or most of the following applies:

1. You have had your gall bladder removed.
2. Since having your gall bladder removed you are bloating uncontrollably and have watched the scale go up and up and now weigh significantly more than you've ever weighed before in your life.
3. Since having your gall bladder removed you've tried every diet under the sun and have not been able to lose the weight you've gain since you had your gall bladder removed.
4. Since having your gall bladder removed you are no longer able to lose weight by exercising.
5. Since having your gall bladder removed you've seen a doctor about your bloating and weight gain (perhaps many) only to be told your problem is not related to having had your gall bladder removed.
6. Since having your gall bladder removed you've tried things like giving up coffee and caffiene and deodorant that contains aluminum and medicines, and foods with fats and foods without fats and anything else that you hoped might be the cause of that horrible bloat.
7. Since having your gall bladder removed you've tried prayer, and consulting with experts in various non-traditional disciplines with no success.
8. Since having your gall bladder removed you thought your weight gain was due to something else before you found this thread in this forum (or some other thread in some other forum), and now you are reading about other people just like yourself with the same symptoms that you have.
9. Since having your gall bladder removed you've deprived yourself to the point of starvation in order to lose that bloat, but it didn't work. Maybe it made the bloat worse?
10. Since having your gall bladder removed your worked out like a mad man or a mad woman, punishing yourself in order to lost that damn bloat but it didn't work. And it still doesn't work. And you wonder if it's making it worse.
11. Since having your gall bladder removed you feel guilty if anyone sees you put food in your mouth because you just know their thinking "if only you wouldn't eat so much you might lose weight".
12. Since having your gall bladder removed your relationship with your wife, husband, family has been affected and you feel guilty.
13. Since having your gall bladder removed you weigh yourself everyday hanging on a minor up or down as an important signal or clue that something is happening.
14. Since having your gall bladder removed you've had a whole lot of liver flushes and colonics in order to "clean yourself".
15. Since having your gall bladder removed you've purchased and consumed a fortune in supplements and various stuff from health food stores, and stuff recommended by us and others, and yet you continue to have a problem with bloating and water weight around your stomach that you just can't get rid of.
16. Since having your gall bladder removed you feel like you look like your pregnant and maybe have even been told you look like you're pregnant.

That's just a few. I'm sure you folks could easily add to that list.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 19 2008 16:20:12
Message:

More sharing with you folks.

The following is copy of correspondence b/w Ed and a Weight Loss Specialist he has seen (without success).

From Ed to the Dr:

DrV,

Once again, I am extremely grateful for your follow-up and continued interest in my belly-swellin' condition.

It has been pretty severe lately, with about one episode of serious and significant proportion per week, each one accompanied by a sizeable weight gain. This week's little episode put on over 4 pounds on one overnight, and the belly girth was/is debilitating. I am now roughly 35-40 pounds heavier than last July when there (225 or so in July, 262 today).

At the same time, I have been doing the rounds with even more specialists, and wanted to get some of their reports before responding to your possibility. Had the last appointment earlier today. Of specific note, the primary GI specialist that I am now seeing say that it definitely is not ascites, my swelling is not associated with the general ascites swelling locations, etc. And Yes, they did a CAT scan of the abdomen last week, as well as an echo and X-rays, all things are normal and "unremarkable" including liver, etc. The best that this team can come up with are the comments that I do have a "swollen and very prominent condition", which swelling seems to occur as "non-specific" with an "unexplained weight gain". I think one more time, this is medical jargon for "We don't have the foggiest f-ing idea of what is going on with this guy but yes, we can see, feel, and touch the reality of it." With your medical training, did I get the jargon right?

Meeting with another GI diagnostician on March 12th. To this point, no one seems to know of any more test(s) to give me. I should be elated that my organs, bodily functions, endocrine functions, all the functioning anatomy, etc., all functions so "unremarkably" shouldn't I? Then why am I so ****ed off that I gain weight continuously and swell up continuously with weight gain that always goes upward, never downward? One of the brilliant doctors said it "just might be fat" (no, I do not know where he got his medical degree) until I pointed out to him that my conditions react more like "The Little Shop of Horrors" than "The Blob". Had him review my diet intake and my daily physical conditioning. He finally agreed that fat does not hurt, fat does not swell and decline, all those things which he wanted to pass off as simply fat, thinking I would just accept such a ridiculous suggestion. It is driving me nearer to insanity since most all of them do recognize that, indeed, I do have an "issue" with no solution. I do not regard it as"good medicine" when a prominent, non-specific issue remains unexplained.

Frustration continues at a high level, as you can ascertain. Like the belly and the weight, they all go up!

Thanks again for your input.

Ed

Response back from the Dr:
Ed: I feel badly for you that the medical profession is reaching the limits of it's capacities on your case. The psychological pressure is created by being a high control individual who needs information to solve problems. This is an exercise in extreme vulnerability and loss of control, not an easy situation for anyone to tolerate.
I will pass your email along to my colleague and let you know if he has any other suggestions....


Reply author: projectgallbladder
Replied on: Feb 21 2008 08:59:02
Message:

Hi Ed, just to let you Know - I have the exact same symptoms as you have. But with reflux also. Issue has accelerated over the last 3 months. The bulge is huge. (Thanks for the heads up its confirmed FAT).. Were dead men walking to some extent? Hope to have a CAT scan also. Its seem the more cardio you do, more food you eat, the more fat is generated.

John


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Feb 21 2008 10:21:31
Message:

Just wanted to pass along some info about a probiotic that is supposed to help with bloating and many other digestive issues. It has great reviews on vitacost.com. It's called Jarrow Formulas Jarro-Dophilus EPS. Here's the link to purchase it at vitacost http://www.vitacost.com/productResults.aspx?.x=26&ss=1&Ntk=products&.y=6&Ntt=Jarrow%20Formulas%20Jarro-Dophilus%20EPS. Also check out the great reviews.


Reply author: Debby
Replied on: Feb 22 2008 05:30:35
Message:

As I've said twice before, this sounds exactly like a problem one of our minor tv personalities has, and there is a doctor in australia who I believe is looking into her condition. I have posted the link twice but with no comment from anyone, but perhaps third time lucky?

Here it is:
http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/40663/lifestyle/adriana-xenides-pain-shared

The doctor mentioned is Terry Bolan from the Gut Institute. Although there is no mention that any of these people affected have had their gallbladders removed (which doesn't mean that they haven't), this condition seems very much like what Ed is suffering. They mention growing several sizes in one day and that there is pain associated with the bloating.

I certainly don't have a problem like this - I just can't lose weight even with exercise and am gradually putting on weight. I am slightly bloated with water retention but then I always have been, and I have always been bigger at the end of the day than the beginning, which I have assumed is simply a result of fasting overnight and eating during the day. I certainly don't bloat to this extent though.

So please look at this link and tell me what you think - is this what Ed and others are suffering? Who is suffering this severe bloat and who is just putting on weight in a gradual way and finding it hard or impossible to shift?


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 22 2008 08:28:31
Message:

Hi Debby,

I just read that article and was quite surprised to read that so many women in Australia are suffering with something that sounds so similar to what everyone here is talking about.

Doctors here are just as baffled (although it seems that many are having problems believing that we just need to diet & exercise more). I think I'm going to write the reporter who wrote that article (Andrew Bourke) and ask him to take a look at this website & thread as well as check with those women to see if more than a few of them have had their gall bladders removed.

I'm wondering why only women have been identified in this article. Perhaps it might be that only women have come forward (i know we men tend to wait longer to seek help). The other thing that I'm wondering about is this excerpt from the article:

"The stomach muscles are starting to split now and a big lump forms from the pubic hair line to the breast bone and it's apparently parting the stomach muscles and tendons and sinuses," she added."

I havent heard that before.

Thanks for sharing the article Debby!
_______________________________
John,
It's been a while since Ed has checked in here, but I told him this morning about you & your post and he said he was going to make time to log on & read & respond. He also mentioned he would be willing to share Email (and possibly phone numbers) with you (& others).

I think it would be a good idea for everyone suffering from this to have a way to keep in touch with each other (in addition to this website forum & thread). Having a special Email group might be a good idea to quickly pass along related news, experiences, observations, progress/digress, etc..
________________________________
marieya,
Yes, it would be a good idea to have a dedicated website. I don't know how that is done, but I would be willing to help in anyway I can (some financial...some time, research, etc..)
________________________________
dbon,
Thanks for the link for the probiotics. Please let us know how that works out for you, especially if you believe it ever "cures" your problem.


Reply author: MisterEd
Replied on: Feb 22 2008 11:28:41
Message:

I have not been as attentive here as I should be, though, indeed, I am struggling daily to find answers as I know many of you are. jAllen has done a great job of summarizing my own situation, however, in his summary post to all of us.

John, I can particulary relate to you and your comments, and I should have also noted earlier that acid reflux is a common occurrence with me as well. And not with just spicy foods, I can have an episode with plain yoghurt or plain oatmeal as well as with tomato sauce. There is no explaining it from the medical doctor's viewpoint either; just go buy some antacid! Or let them write a prescription for ANYTHING other than solving the problems that so many of us have.

I continue to seek medical advice, because I am not ever going to be content with the practice of medicine that permits this condition of constant swelling and bloating, the constant weight gains, discomfort, and all that goes with these problems, to put us off with the simple response of "I dunno." Someone out there, somewhere, someone knows, and it continues to be "My Quest" to find it. But it is frustrating and obviously elusive. Me and Don Quixote.

For me, the answers do not seem to be the supplements and various enzymes, etc. For those for whom those pills and products work, I feel good for you. They just do nothing for me except to lighten the wallet, and not lighten the weight on the scale nor to reduce the incidents of swelling. "Prominence" is the new term that my docs are now using, instead of "swelling". "Non-specific causes" is another term I get so often which means that they do not know why.

I have another appointment with yet another GI specialist on March 12. I shall report back after that, but will check here from time to time in the meanitme. Just in case someone finds this gallbladder version of the holy grail that will benefit all of us.....and if you do, send me an e-mail quickly!

I know it is caused by the removal of the gallbladder, I just know it. I intend to continue to hunt to find the elusive solution that will help us all.
Later.


Reply author: care
Replied on: Feb 23 2008 11:02:21
Message:

Hi, I'm only to page 20 so far, but I definately plan on reading all the posts. But I just wanted to say hello to all you beautiful women who are facing life after gallbladder (and men too if I've missed them).
I had my gallbladder removed a year ago and up until that time, I was a slim active woman. In fact I was an workout warrior not because I felt I had too but because I loved it. Yeah, maybe I am weird. I also loved vegatables and had no trouble avoiding processed foods. I just was not interested. If anyone could claim mega fitness it would be me, not to toot my own horn but to make a point. Now I have the same "amount" not to be confused with the same "kind" of pain. Only now I'm adding on pounds like you wouldn't believe. Same amount of fitness, still an avid vegetable lover, no junk food, but it doesn't matter. By mid day I look like I'm 6 months pregnant, only to be back to normal the following morning. The only way to avoid this is not to eat---anything. But that obviously isn't in my best interest.
I wish I could have a replay on this and not have had it taken out. Pain is pain, but at least I wouldn't feel like a beached whale each time I ate.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 23 2008 11:55:31
Message:

Hello care,

I'm very glad you found us and we all appreciate you sharing your story and experiences with us. You are not alone. Yes, there are men here as well, but certainly more women than men. If you're over 30 you probably already have some clues as to why there are more women than men posting here and you'll know it probably has no relationship with the prevalence of these mysterious symptoms in men.

Once again ladies and gentlemen, here's one more voice out there from someone who is obviously sincere and hurting and unable to find any answers or solutions to this post gallbladder removal bloating.

I believe when you've read all these posts on this thread you will find that there is no magic pill, that there is no "ultimate solution", and that medical science does not have any answers for you. You will read all sorts of advice and suggestions from folks who've found some relief through different products, and you probably won't be surprised to find "shills for pills" in here as well.

Unless I'm missing something, it seems the best approach is to take as much personal control as you can in order to help yourself. For better or for worse you are essentially going to have to be your own researcher, your own diagnostician, your own doctor, and your own nurse. I would recommend you start a very detailed log or diary that includes everything you consume (including medications). Anything that goes into your mouth should go into that log every single day. Over time, you might make some personal discoveries from the additional insight that type of log can provide for you. If you do find anything interesting, please share it with us. You can be sure we all will be very interested.

Thanks again for taking the time to share your story with us care.

Sincerely,
J.Allen


Reply author: projectgallbladder
Replied on: Feb 23 2008 20:29:12
Message:

Hi Care, sympathies with the non physical pain you are going through. Where's the online send vertual hug button to all.

Ed, thanks for your post. Yes, we do need to talk. I found this steam on post Gallbladder Surgery Reflux problems a while back. I have a strong feeling Reflux is linked to my accelerated gain over the last few months. The link has pretty disturbing info. Suggest great care in this area.

http://www.healthcentral.com/acid-reflux/c/7062/10155/acid-post/

Helps to put down a time line

Surgery Late 2006, immediate weight gain on mid section
Slow and gradual minor weight gain until mid 2007.
Then:
Aug 07 commonsense weight strip diet with 1.2.3.4 diet product (minor success)
Sep 07 Reflux attacked September (never had this before in life)
Nov 07 Constantly feeling tired, Weigh gain increasing rapidly around mid section. Running, swimming, gyming, eating well as normal. Now seeing my self visit the tilot upto 3 times a day. Non Direa thank goodness.
Dec 07 Reflux problems continued
Feb 08 Massive reflux over the last two weeks after drinking fruit juice one evening. Weight jumped also (over night bulge after dinner).
Can this get any worse?

J.Allen , see next post

Gone Surfing

Take care
John





Reply author: projectgallbladder
Replied on: Feb 23 2008 20:43:30
Message:

J.Allen, Dedicated web site needed. Have registered pojectgallbladder.com. Open to other name suggestions. Happy to fund setup cost. Some objectives could be to

Provide centralised forums streams on specific complication help areas. I.e. gain, diets, reflux
Provide virtual support groups [online discussions session]
Provide repository of medical findings
Provide a definitive response to debunk misconception this is a low risk procedure.
Research - online survey (Build a massive repository) on individual situations and post operation affects.
Member area to diaritise personal successes, trials and tribulations as change kick in post surgery. (this will help support medical studies)
Repository of web links that discrible the GB surgery without disclosing full facts. [name and shame]
Promote the funding / investigate into alternative procedures (manual removal of stones)
Repository of Surgeons, Doctors, medical websites who have been advised in writing of documented post operation complications. Informing of due care responsibly to disclose the all facts.
Support class action law suits needed to bring change / introduced new procedures and medicine research
(Take out the bastards who perform this surgery on complete healthy individuals with single stone occurrences)

Good & Positive stuff
Preventative heath plans
Diet plans

I hope the attention drawn to the problem will promote action from the medical community. Information I have learnt from site such as this one is far superior to explannations offered by any medical health professional. Having collated info on one site may save lives from been distroyed.

feed back

John
- Yip very dyslexic


Reply author: Karen
Replied on: Feb 24 2008 11:53:22
Message:

I had my Gall Bladder removed in 2005, since them I have put on about 2stone and can't seem to lose it. Also I have an under active thyriod is there any connection between the two illness.


Reply author: Debby
Replied on: Feb 24 2008 18:37:05
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by projectgallbladder

Hi Care, sympathies with the non physical pain you are going through. Where's the online send vertual hug button to all.

Ed, thanks for your post. Yes, we do need to talk. I found this steam on post Gallbladder Surgery Reflux problems a while back. I have a strong feeling Reflux is linked to my accelerated gain over the last few months. The link has pretty disturbing info. Suggest great care in this area.

http://www.healthcentral.com/acid-reflux/c/7062/10155/acid-post/





Thanks for this link to the acid reflux site. I have had this for over 20 years but never really bothered to look it up on the web before. It started off gradually so I only took medication when I had an attack for many years (the heartburn could last anywhere from 5 minutes to several hours). Then it eventually got to the stage where I had to take medication every day and that worked for me, then had to take double every day, then onto stronger medication, then none of them seemed to work for me and since removal of gallbladder things are even worse. I often wake up with heartburn (acid reflux) now, sometimes in the middle of the night, or else I get it early in the morning if I don't eat breakfast quick enough. I often have a sore throat now too which I think is due to the acid.

I have had endoscopies and colonoscopies in the past but they could not find anything wrong. I had an ultrasound on my gallbladder in the ongoing investigation of why I was getting heartburn pain. One of the reasons I agreed to have my gallbladder out was that I thought some of my probs might be due to that and it would help my reflux - bad mistake! I did have several stones in the gallbladder and a thickened wall so they say it wasn't doing anything anyway (which is why I didn't have gallbladder attacks) but it must have been doing something at least cos reflux is now worse.

The person in the linked message said they were actually losing weight because they weren't eating, but I find not eating is the worst thing to do. I need to eat whenever my stomach is empty or the acid will start to rise if it has nothing to do in my stomach.

Other tips for heartburn are
- to sleep with the top part of your body slightly raised e.g. on a u-pillow,
- sleep on your back and not your side
- don't bend over from the waist i.e. invert the top half of your body upside down
- don't drink fruit juice or eat most fruits, at least not on an empty stomach as they seem to stimulate acid production. (Bananas however are supposed to reduce acid).
- don't consume any caffeine i.e. coffee, tea, coke
- avoid alcohol and fizzy drinks
- avoid msg

Even when I do all these things and take the strongest medication available I still suffer acid reflux to some degree basically every day since having my gall bladder out, which makes me wonder if it is bile reflux? I end up sucking on antacid tablets quite often - the other day I had about 14 of them - I was just sucking them basically all day! (max per day is 16). Other days I get through without needing any. I never really know when it will be a good day or not, although I can guarantee it will be bad if I have caffeine.

The really bad attacks feel like you are having a heart attack and it is hard to breathe. The only positive thing I can say since having my gallbladder out is that I haven't had any reflux that has lasted for hours - I have been able to get rid of it - often by taking double medication and excessive antacids, but at least it goes within 15-30 minutes at the most. However I used to only get the heartburn that lasted hours about once every 3 months or so anyway, so it doesn't mean it won't happen again (it has been almost 5 months since gallbladder removal).

So now it looks like we have several problems that need looking into - weight gain and difficulty losing it, severe bloating, and now reflux too! Our digestive systems are just a complete mess aren't they! I often say I wish they could do digestive system transplants!


Reply author: shawndaindc
Replied on: Feb 25 2008 16:48:19
Message:

Hello All,

I just wanted to share my story with you guys. I am a 31 year old mother of 4 and I just had my gallbladder removed last Wednesday, February 20, 2008. A week prior I went to the emergency room with sever pain in my abdomen and lower back. I was kind of scared for a minute because I thought I may have had a kidney stone because it was a simular symptom. I went to the ER and low and behold they did a sonogram and another test that required an hour of my time and injecting radio active fluid into my IV to see if there was any blockage in the bile duct. Needles to say the ultimate solution came back as hey we can send you home on pain meds or we can admit you and you can have surgery tomorrow. I was like that seems like an extreme jump from pain meds to being a living cadavar. I was scared and said no give me the pain meds and I will go home you al will not be cutting on me today. I continued to have attacks whenever I would eat, I couldn't sleep because I was in so much pain and started to get completed nauseated with everything. I scheduled a follow up appointment with my doctor who I know love and trust very much because he has never failed me. He says look at you you can't even stand up straight. Straight answer go straight to the hospital call me when you get there because I am admitting you to have the surgery tomorrow. I was like are you serious. He said am I smiling. I was like ok I just have to get over my fear because I just didn't like the way he kept throwing at me the 5-8 inch incision I would receive if it turned into accute Cholecystitis. I was like ok ok. Finally got it taken out the next day but I am still having the nausea. Is there something that any of you guys can suggest to me to eat to calm down my stomach. I can't even eat strawberries and that makes me very sad. I love strawberries. The only thing that I have found that helps a little is Fennel. However for many a very acquired taste and I do not like licorice and that's what it tastes like. But it really does get the job done when I need it. I need help guys life after a cholecystectomy feels worse than before. Of course the bloating doesn't help either.

Thanks a Mil,

shawndaindc


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 25 2008 16:52:29
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by projectgallbladder

J.Allen, Dedicated web site needed. Have registered pojectgallbladder.com. Open to other name suggestions. Happy to fund setup cost. Some objectives could be to

Provide centralised forums streams on specific complication help areas. I.e. gain, diets, reflux
Provide virtual support groups [online discussions session]
Provide repository of medical findings
Provide a definitive response to debunk misconception this is a low risk procedure.
Research - online survey (Build a massive repository) on individual situations and post operation affects.
Member area to diaritise personal successes, trials and tribulations as change kick in post surgery. (this will help support medical studies)
Repository of web links that discrible the GB surgery without disclosing full facts. [name and shame]
Promote the funding / investigate into alternative procedures (manual removal of stones)
Repository of Surgeons, Doctors, medical websites who have been advised in writing of documented post operation complications. Informing of due care responsibly to disclose the all facts.
Support class action law suits needed to bring change / introduced new procedures and medicine research
(Take out the bastards who perform this surgery on complete healthy individuals with single stone occurrences)

Good & Positive stuff
Preventative heath plans
Diet plans

I hope the attention drawn to the problem will promote action from the medical community. Information I have learnt from site such as this one is far superior to explannations offered by any medical health professional. Having collated info on one site may save lives from been distroyed.

feed back

John
- Yip very dyslexic




Hello John & everyone following along.

I think this is a great idea, and I'm sure others would agree that it is more than necessary. It's about time!

I have no idea at all what would be involved in getting something like this off the ground technically. But even so, I might be willing to contribute some financially, as well as give some of my time.

I do like the domain name "projectgallbladder", but I wonder if others here might have different suggestions for such a website?

I'm somewhat reticent to want to get involved with pursuing a class action lawsuit but not because I don't think any of you deserve redress of grievances (spelling?). I wouldn't be able to support this mainly because I personally believe that you guys wouldn't stand a snowballs chance in hell (at least in the U.S.) of finding willing & competent counsel and I believe there's even less of a chance of winning such a suit. I believe everyone who has this surgery in the U.S signs a form which essentially says "there's risks, and we're not responsible". I guess I just don't think we would be able to convince a court of law that doctors acted negligently by removing your gall bladders since this surgery is certainly "routine and customary" for persons with specific symptoms given the broad general knowledge of medical science today.

But all the other items I'm just fine with.

I think the timing is right as well. I've been meaning to start a thread thanking Bill Davis & others for "hosting" us folks with this very unique problem. I suppose it's not such a fluke that we met on this particular website. Like most of you I've been researching this for some time now (many years), and only relatively recently found such a chorus of like voices of people with similar problems & concerns.

This thread has been long, and at times a little contentious. To me it seems to have evolved into a rag tag group of "hangers on" and doesn't seem very cohesive. Perhaps a website dedicated to this very problem is the logical next step.

More thoughts?


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Feb 27 2008 16:00:13
Message:

Hey guys. Am off the "Superdrine" was a total waste of time/money. Was desperate so figured would give it a try.

I have always been a believer in diet/exercise calories in vs. calories out but this just plain and simply isn't working (for us).

I have my vacation in less than 2 months and am still weighing in around 217 waaay over my "normal" body weight. I can complain all day about how uncomfortable I am in my own skin but that is not going to get me anywhere.

Do you think I should explore any of these Diet pill/fat burner solutions? I mean, since my body is not breaking down any fats they are sticking right to me. At this point I'm getting very concerned about Diabetes! I was reading about the pink patch that contains lecithin and is supposed to help fat travel through your system.

I also have an appt with a new dr friday so we'll see what she says. Hopefully I wont get the run around like I have for the past 1 1/2.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 27 2008 16:36:52
Message:

Marieya,

First of all, may I just say "bless your heart"...I am so sorry that you (and everyone) is going through this mess.

I'm just going to come right out and say that I don't believe the fat burners & diet pills are a good idea at all.

I don't know how much this will apply to you, but I'll lay it out as best I can.

Write down everything that goes into your mouth every single day. Include ALL medications. Certain medication (seemingly most medications) cause immediate bloat in Ed. Watch out especially for NSAIDS...this is an "automatic stand back and watch the stomach rise for Ed". Other meds that do this include; any and all blood pressure medications, and get this: medication designed to get rid of excess water weight (such as Lasix sp?).
Some problem foods were discovered only by trial and error. For example, he discovered that if he eats anything that comes in a wrap (chicken wrap, etc...) that the "wrap" bloats him and will always be followed by at least a 2 pound increase in weight overnight.
Wheat pasta & certain other pastas (not sure if it is all pasta?) will cause a similar "stand back and watch the stomach rise" effect as with taking NSAIDS medications (he is convinced that CELEBREX caused a serious water weight gain...to the tune of about 40 pounds, and from what I've observed I would agree completely with him).
His theory now is that perhaps (as many folks here have been saying all along), the problem has much to do with his liver & that these medications & certain food products adversely affect his liver which then directly or indirectly affects his digestion or causes the insidious bloating you guys get.

It is with genuine sadness for me to say to you that I don't think the new doctor you're going to see is going to be able to help you at all. The reason I say this is only because I know that Ed has seen a legion of doctors and specialists and none of them have been able to offer any practical help at all. In fact, I would venture to say the most everyone who posts here is more knowledgable about diet/exercise and what is going on with your bodies than any of the doctors you are seeing.

In any event, my best advice would be for you to keep a 100% accurate log/diary/record of everything that goes into your mouth along with notes of type & amount of exercise. The idea is to be able to identify and analyize "weight down days" and "weight up days". Over time, you might be able to conduct your own experiments, make observations, look for patterns, and duplicate more & more "weight down days".

Interestingly enough, for Ed, his "weight down days" usually always follow days of increased calorie consumption...the trick is learning what is safe to consume. Some specific problems for him is having dieted & starved for so long that it is genuinely difficult for him to consume 3000-4000 calories per day (which is what his trainer & diet specialists are recommending...i.e. it's difficult to get that many calories when you can't eat pasta & products with corn syrups/solids). This is also difficult to do in the context of trying so many other things. For example, upon advice of someone here he added huge amounts of brewers yeast to his diet for a few weeks and it wrecked havoc on his weight (extreme severe bloating nearly to the point of causing problems breathing). Also, he's become extremely addicted to weight lifting & working out, which probably creates a higher caloric requirement.

For you Marieya, I think you'll have to learn to find your own way and your own solutions.

Please keep in touch here with any specific questions you might have, and share with us what you discover for yourself with the rest of us.


Reply author: vixendixon
Replied on: Feb 28 2008 19:01:06
Message:

How interesting! I'm a 23-year-old female and I had severe stomach pain for three or four days. I called the Dr. on Monday but waited until Friday to go in because of my tight schedule. On Friday I met with the Dr. and she said she suspected it was my gallbladder. That same day I had an "injection-fraction" (sp?) done. By Tuesday I was meeting with a sergeon!!!
I was told I didn't have gallstones, just "sludge" as the sergeon kept saying.
I asked about diet change-nothing
I asked about alternatives-nothing
There were NO other options presented. Just " well you'll probably have to have it out eventually."
He said NOTHING about weight gain
Nothing about pain after the surgery
And nothing about bile-salts.

I am currently looking into other options. I meet with a natropathic Dr. tomorrow.

And please read this part!!! TAKE BILE SALTS if you are gaining weight. They are a suppliment that help break down the fats in your diet.


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Feb 29 2008 00:40:48
Message:

ty ((j.allen))

I am trying to keep an open mind about tomorrow as this dr is supposed to be really good.. but like everything else am not going to get my hopes up.

The only thing I take consitently now are the bile salts. Besides that, the only other meds I've had on/off for the past few yrs is Diflucan. I rarely get sick but this week had an ear infection (labrynthitis) with sinus infection/fever/the whole 9! I was dizzy and could barely walk so had to take 2 different scripts... although I've eaten less than normal I do feel extraordinarily "puffy" (even more so than the usual!)

You keep mentioning this "bloat" that ed gets. I guess this would be my "puffy" but most of my weight is actual fat going from 140 to 217 in less than a yr is definitely fat weight and not bloat. I have no kids and now have stretch marks on my belly from where the weight went on so quickly.. enough enough, i'm digressing.

I think even if there was a fat burner that actually worked that it still wouldn't work on my body. It feels like something is broken inside of me and I just want it fixed!


Reply author: Farrell
Replied on: Feb 29 2008 04:00:15
Message:

Hi everyone! I came across this site sometime last year and totally forgot about it! But I did remember to ask my doctor about it at the beginning of the year...I guess I should share my story first huh...Ok well...I had my gallbladder removed in 2005 after being nauseated constantly, apparently it was diseased and icky. Weight before surgery was around 130-135 ^_^ weight now (drum roll?) 170! The end of March will mark my 3 year anniversary of my surgery. Ok so back to the doctor visit! I never thought to even put my weight gain into the same category as my gallbladder surgery, I was just looking online randomly for such topics as: GB and diarrhea, GB and Acid reflux, GB and cramps, GB and phantom GB pains (which I still feel the same sickly feeling that I had to begin with. they never went away) I eventually came across this forum...so I mentioned it to my doctor at the beginning of Jan. he said he had heard of it before, it doesn't make sense because you think you would loose weight..yadda yadda etc.... Anyway he said we would investigate it further...but to help me shed the pounds in the mean time he put me on Adderall 20 mg twice a day (ummm...of course I have ADD...) Ok anyway he was cool for doing that solely for weight loss. My second visit I hadn’t lost any weight! I did gain a lot of energy however ^_^ He put me on Welchol for the extra bile ($$$) I’m not sure how long it will take to work. I go back in April.....I will defff bring this forum back up and hopefully he will have some insight. He’s pretty awesome and won't ignore my input as a patient. But for now I’m still frumpy and dumpy 5'1 and weighing in at 170 pounds. Sorry if this was jumbled and crazily written. Man it’s late....and im sleepy! ^_^ I won't forget this forum ever again!!!! Thanks for all 50 pages! The website is an awesome idea! I work at Whole Foods so I have plenty of access to good eats and vitamins and such. Ok thanks for listening to my rambling! Thanks!!!!

=( I'm tired of looking 5 months pregnant all the time...


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Feb 29 2008 09:10:29
Message:

Hello Folks,

Lots of folks here swear by the Bile Salts. I would really love to hear more about what you believe they are doing for you. Is it that the bile salts help you with symptoms (such as bloating or diarrea, etc..)? I am assuming that while it is helping you with such symptoms, it has no real effect on your overall problem with an inability to lose the excess weight you've gained since having your gall bladder removed? Is that correct? Are you concerned that their might be unintended health consequences as a result of consuming bile salts long term? If so, do you think it is a good trade-off?

Marieya: I hear what you're saying regarding bloating & puffy, and I wonder if indeed we are talking about the same thing. Of course, this might also be related to certain physical differences in how men & women store additional weight (whether fat or water). But I still wonder if it is possible that this puffiness is due more to water retention than it is to your body storing fat? In Ed's case, he believes it is not fat because he's eating healthy foods & exercising very regularly (and very hard), and also because the weight seems to increase very rapidly (i.e. a couple or more pounds overnight). To make the point better, it would be difficult to attribute a 10 pound weight gain over a two week period (for example), if you were eating a largely vegetarian diet and getting just the right amount of calories and exercise long before and during those same two weeks...and yet, this very thing happens with Ed.

It sounds to me as though you have yourself a pretty good doctor Marieya! I am hoping that real help will come from the medical establishment sooner than later.

Farrell: Welcome! Glad you found us and decided to join in the conversation. I was struck by your comment "I never thought to even put my weight gain into the same category as my gallbladder surgery". Very same thing for Ed! He went through years of dieting, extreme dieting, exercising, extreme exercising, and endless experiments of eliminating various things from his diets (eliminating coffee & all caffienes, no sugars, no processed foods, etceteras..). He even temporarily switched to a "natural deodorant" thinking maybe he was having a problem with the aluminum in his regular deodorant. He went to specialist after specialist...tried a medically supervised liquid diet (they were stunned that he gained weight on a liquid diet, and I suspect they wanted to drop him since he wasn't a success story for them). It was only after hearing story after story after story of people just like him who were experiencing the same problems he was from people who also did not have this problem until after they had their gall bladders removed. And an eventual 40 pound increase in weight is not uncommon for the folks who are dealing with this as yet undiagnosed (and largely unrecognized) problem of weight gain following gallbladder surgery. I was also struck by your comment of being tired of looking 5 months pregnant all the time. Believe it or not, Ed and other men having this same problem would say the same thing. With men, people will jokingly say "when are you giving birth?"....hopefully, those same people wouldn't say such a thing to a woman ! Sometimes when Ed is particularly bloated he actually looks as though he has swalled a basketball...actually, make that an elastic basketball that has been severely stretched and is about to burst (no, unfortunately I'm not kidding).

Yes, a dedicated website is in order. Until then, we owe a large debt of gratitude to the folks at DietPower for allowing a space for us. Thank you so much DietPower!


Reply author: Farrell
Replied on: Mar 01 2008 03:30:05
Message:

I have been asked by women when I am due =(

I would love to know about the bile salts as well. I have seen tons of websites for cleanses and whatnot to "help" I really think a lot of them are just to push their products to us poor desperate people. (http://myvits.com/products/brand.asp?id=24) I have not tried them, so I can't sit back and judge those who have. (www.gallbladderattack.com)


I have seen a few studies done on the topic of PCS and weight gain after a cholecystectomy ....
http://www.health24.com/dietnfood/DietDocs_articles/15-1871,40570.asp



This is a pretty hillarious website....however no one really reports on weight gain. They pretty much focus on something else>>>>
http://www.poopreport.com/Techniques/food_for_toilet.html

*sigh* I think after a while I gave up on the internet to answer my questions since I found sooo much conflicting information...I can't wait for my next Dr visit. The Welchol is working I think..? um I haven't had to run to the bathroom as frequently as I have had to in the past. Annd the Adderall is keeping me from eating. I should weigh like 2 pounds by now. Thanks to the regular posters on the site! j.allen,marieya etc... And for everyones updates. I can't wait for a website!


=( I'm tired of looking 5 months pregnant all the time...


Reply author: chunk
Replied on: Mar 01 2008 16:23:02
Message:

If I may, a little introduction. I am a 56 year old female. As you can see by my name, I am a real chunk.

I had my gall bladder removed 10/07. There were 6-1/2" stones. I've gained weight. Not a little either. Probably 20 lbs. at least. Too scared to get on the scale.

We eat healthy. Granted, I wasn't petite prior to the surgery, but I eat better now then I ever have.

Another issue I have is a persistent fluttering on my right side just under the rib...guessing the area where the gall bladder was. Hubby thinks it's nerve ends healing. It reminds me of when I was pregnant and my son would move around.

I started reading all the posts and got even more confused and upset trying to find an answer to my problems, so I cheated and wrote this post.

If anyone can recommend or suggest what I could or should be doing, I am more than willing to listen. And if you can tell me what the fluttering is. My mind gets carried away and I imagine all kinds of crazy things.

Thanks and Blessings, Kathy


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Mar 02 2008 11:40:44
Message:

Re: the Bile Salts

The main thing I take them for is to keep weight from being added on. Before I started taking them the weight just kept mounting and mounting, when I started it stopped. Now, I still cannot lose the weight I've gained but I'm not gaining @ the rate I was before. I didn't take them for a month or so and gained 9lbs in that single month! Am taking them now and still mainting current weight but again there is no way to lose what I already have on. As far as I understand, people WITH a gall bladder should NOT take the bile salts consistently as they will gain a dependance on them. Those WITHOUT a gall bladder all ready should take them for the rest of their lives, it doesn't matter because the gall bladder is already gone.

As far as my Dr. visit? PFFT. I was completely blown off, she did not even comment on a thing I said OH, and when I went in I found out that all the Dr.s there work for the same company as my old Dr. and the surgeon that removed my GB! It was only by accident because they had some old info and I was adament I did not give it to them. She kept saying that I did when I called. But I was like I worked for that company over 4 yrs ago why would I call 3 days ago with that info!! I demanded to know and then she had to tell me! Very disappointing.


Reply author: Ecca
Replied on: Mar 03 2008 20:42:14
Message:

Hello everyone. I have been reading comments off and on for the past year on this site but never participated. I had my gallbladder out May 2007 and didn't really have any problems with weight gain until a couple months ago but have gained 17 lbs in that short period of time. I found this site while looking for nutritional information and foods to avoid after my gallbladder was removed. In Feb 2007 I was hospitalized with blood clots in my lung which was caused by a "port" I received chemo treatments from (I am currently in remission with leukemia) Two weeks after having my gallbladder removed I was back in the hospital for a week with pneumonia and pancreitis then the day after I was released I was back in the hospital with a ruptured spleen which they removed. I lost alot of weight with all the hospitalizations and chemo treatments which is why it took so long for the weight to start piling up. I am taking digestive enzymes which I think is helping some but have not tried bile salts but am thinking about trying them. My question is about breathing issues and if anyone else is experiencing them? I especially notice shortness of breath after eating and my tummy area becomes very hard and bloated which them makes it harder to breath. I think I could accept some of the weight gain since I had lost so much but it is totally different than normal weight gain, its like you can feel the fat just sitting inside you which keeps getting bigger and bigger every day! Also does anyone have water retention or leg aches as well?


Reply author: dwd
Replied on: Mar 04 2008 19:41:40
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Restore

Debby, thanks for the post to Professor Terry Bolin's website. Bolin is a professor with articles linked on his website to research and information about how to handle the effects of a high-fiber diet and bowel bacteria and disease - my points exactly. Here is a quote from the high-fiber article on his website:

"It is true that increasing fibre intake will produce more gas - that's a natural consequence," he said. "But it's a small price to pay for the contribution a high-fibre diet makes to protecting against colon diseases such bowel cancer and diverticular disease."

Professor Bolin will be one of the key speakers at a meeting of leading gastroenterologists from Australia, New Zealand and South Africa at the Tri-Nations Meeting in Mauritius from 20-26 March. The conference will be presented with the latest advances in diagnosis and treatment of gastrointestinal problems by experts around the world.

Professor Bolin, who is also President of the GUT Foundation, said that misunderstandings about how to incorporate more fibre in the diet could hinder attempts to improve eating patterns.

"A sudden increase in fibre intake such as wheat in the form of bread and pasta can cause abdominal bloating, discomfort and excessive flatulence," he said.

"This reaction is often erroneously attributed to wheat intolerance. The problems often resolve if fibre is introduced slowly with a gradual build up to the recommended daily intake of at least 30 grams a day. This allows the gut time to get used to the increase volume of gas produced from fibre digestion."

Here is a quote from the "bowel bacteria" article on his website:

"New technologies that 'mine' the gut for bacteria have revealed that microbes contained in the bowel have such a wide variety of functions they are equivalent to a newly discovered body organ, according to a key speaker at the 2nd Tri-Nations Meeting in Gastroenterology, Professor Fergus Shanahan."

"Professor Shanahan says that among the more than 400 species of bacteria in the bowel, some are capable of producing nutrients that protect against atherosclerosis. Others affect fat deposition which may influence the risk of obesity."

I will repeat what I originally posted here on page 39 - the problem with bloating is parasitical and answer lies within the diet, which will cure the gall bladder problem AND the bacteria problem. The bloating IS natural (just as the professor said) and will have its positive effect IF YOU ARE PATIENT.




Reply author: projectgallbladder
Replied on: Mar 05 2008 02:23:47
Message:

[/Hi Ecca
• breathing issues and if anyone else is experiencing them
• Fat just sitting inside you which keeps getting bigger and bigger every day!
• Does anyone have water retention ?

Hi, answers is unfortunately yes – these are common Post Gall bladder surgery complications which there is not definitive case studies conducted to my acknowledge / list ?. I experience the above after 7 months from surgery
]


Reply author: projectgallbladder
Replied on: Mar 05 2008 03:28:46
Message:

Hi All, just a quick update on my journey

I’m investing in the nutrition diet path (many have tried this and failed) after visiting great nutritionists. I believe in fate, this nutritionist has a desire to help in this area as her friend also suffers/ed from posts GB surgery complications and offered no support from the medical community. Apparently there is little or no case studies on our problem which should be addressed. My new food program is also going to target reflux issues. Have to admit, I have not been experiencing too may reflux problems for the last two weeks since cutting, Coffee, Alcohol :(, and wheat etc. Bloating has moderated

Today I had my visit with a gastroenterologist who advised this kind of mid section weight gain is common among men and could be due to...

Syndrome X
Insulin Resistance Syndrome
Truncal obesity
Fatty Liver Syndrome

Doing a quick examination I was advised my liver was enlarged due to fatty deposits. [Where the hell did that come from.. I’m exercising daily / intensely for last 7 years,]

I asked his if the above could be caused by GB Surgery, he said it’s a possibility as a loss of the GB could causes an imbalance of some kind – no definitive studies.

Asked if there were tests to confirm. I was advised of the following and to See my GP for referral – Not sure why he did not give me the time and day to write one himself. (Advised to come back for another chat).. This is where you look the specialist in the eyes and ask .. What for? and why? without something to review there is no point in comming back for another expensive chat. I have delayed the camera check of my stomach. I get very disappointed when the patent becomes a cashflow as also treated by drug companies.

So its up to me to book and confirm the below tests could be positive

Uric Acid
Glucose Tolerance Test with insulin levels
Cholesterol and triglyceride tests
Ultra Sound of the Liver to confirm fatty content)

Advised the usual low fat high protein for my apparent “Syndrome X”

High Protein
Low crabs
Wheat – Low
Pontiac Potatoes
Water lots of it

Will post back on the diet progress

John
Yip very dyslexic


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Mar 05 2008 07:18:36
Message:

To projectgallbladder (John):

I truly believe that when the gb is removed, there is an imbalance in the system, as I have said previously, it is crucial to concentrate on the liver now. I have found that doing several liver flushes helps to detox the liver and get rid of liver stones since that is where they form and removing the gb doesn't remove all the stones, it is only the receptacle where many became lodged. Doing a couple liver flushes usually doesn't yield much. It's normally not until you do the third one that you actually start seeing stones. Prior to liver flushes, you should be softening the stones with malic acid, apple juice or one of the other products.

The bile ducts in the liver become packed with stones and the bile can't flow like it needs to, causing a congested liver. If bile doesn't flow, fats don't digest, parasites don't die, and a host of other digestive issues can occur. Anyway, I would start with the liver and take liver herbs to detoxify such as milk thistle, dandelion, etc.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Mar 05 2008 11:01:16
Message:

Hello Everyone.

Dbon, quick question. When you say:

"It's normally not until you do the third one that you actually start seeing stones."

What exactly does this mean? Are you saying that you will see stones being passed in urine or something?


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Mar 05 2008 14:45:42
Message:

The most popular liver flush is Hulda Clark's. There are variations to it which you can find on the internet. It's not the easiest thing to do but once you start doing them, and have success in seeing stones eliminated, you will want to continue doing them until you don't see stones anymore. There is lots of info about liver flushing on curezone.com. Most people say it takes between 6-12 flushes to get the stones completely out, but others need more flushing. The stones come out through the digestive tract. Here's the liver flush protocol from Hulda Clark:

"Cleansing the liver of gallstones dramatically improves digestion, which is the basis of your whole health. You can expect your allergies to disappear, too, more with each cleanse you do! Incredibly, it also eliminates shoulder, upper arm, and upper back pain. You have more energy and increased sense of well being.



It is the job of the liver to make bile, 1 to 1.5 quarts in a day! The liver is full of tubes (biliary tubing) that deliver the bile to one large tube (the common bile duct). The gallbladder is attached to the common bile duct and acts as a storage reservoir. Eating fat or protein triggers the gallbladder to squeeze itself empty after about twenty minutes, and the stored bile finishes its trip down the common bile duct to the intestine.

For many persons, including children, the biliary tubing is choked with gallstones. Some develop allergies or hives but some have no symptoms. When the gallbladder is scanned or X-rayed nothing is seen. Typically, they are not in the gallbladder. Not only that, most are too small and not calcified, a prerequisite for visibility on an X-ray. There are over half a dozen varieties of gallstones, most of which have cholesterol crystals in them. They can be black, red, white, green or tan colored. The green ones get their color from being coated with bile. Notice in the picture (pg. 545) how many have imbedded unidentified objects. Are they fluke remains? Notice how man are shaped like corks with longitudinal grooves below the tops. We can visualize the blocked bile ducts from such shapes. Other stones are composites- made of many smaller ones- showing that they regrouped in the bile ducts some time after the last cleanse.

At the very center of each stone is found a clump of bacteria, according to scientists, suggesting a dead bit of parasite might have started the stone forming.

As the stones grow and become more numerous the back pressure on the liver causes it to make less bile. Imagine the situation if your garden hose had marbles in it. Much less water would flow, which in turn would decrease the ability of the hose to squirt out the marbles. With gallstones, much less cholesterol leaves the body, and cholesterol levels rise.

Gallstones, being porous, can pick up all the bacteria, cysts, viruses and parasites that are passing through the liver. In this way "nests" of infection are formed, forever supplying the body with fresh bacteria. No stomach infection such as ulcers or intestinal bloating can be cured permanently without removing these gallstones from the liver.

Preparation

You can't clean a liver with living parasites in it. You won't get out many stones, and will feel quite sick. Zap daily the week before, or get through the first three weeks of the parasite killing program before attempting a liver cleanse. If you are on a parasite maintenance program, do a high dose program the week before.
Completing the kidney cleanse before cleansing the liver is also recommended. You want your kidneys, bladder and urinary tract in top working condition so they can efficiently remove any undesirable substances incidentally absorbed from the intestine as the bile is being excreted.
Do any dental work first, if possible. Your mouth should be metal free and bacteria free (cavitations are cleaned). A toxic mouth can put a heavy load on the liver, burdening it immediately after cleansing. Eliminate that problem first for best results.

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Liver cleanse and gallbladder cleanse flush NO surgery

Ingredients



1/2 CupOlive Oil Extra Virgin (= 1.25 dl)

1 Big grapefruit (2 small) (Or 3 lemons)

4 tablespoon EPSOM salts = ( MgSO4 + 7H2O)

(EPSOM salts = Magnesium Sulphate = EPSOMITE = Magnesium Sulfate Heptahydrate)

3 cups water (=750 dl)

(P.S .!! 1 cup = 250 ml = 2.5 dl = 0.25 l )


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[Comment inserted by webmaster:

You can substitute 3 cups water (=750 dl) (that is used in this recipe to dissolve Epsom salt) with 3 cups freshly pressed grapefruit juice, or freshly pressed apple juice . That way you will not feel unpleasant taste of Magnesium Sulphate
( = Magnesium Sulfate = Epsom salt = MgSO4 + 7H2O) ]

[If using lemon juice, do not blend juice with oil.
Drink little oil, little juice, from 2 differnt cups.


If you mix oil and juice, it may (it doesn't happens always) sligtly congell, and get a slimy consitence that is not easy to swallow.
It may become slimy.

It never happens with grapefruit juice!]


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Choose a day like Saturday for the cleanse, since you will be able to rest the next day.

Take no medicines, vitamins or pills that you can do without; they could prevent success. Stop the parasite program and kidney herbs too, the day before.

Eat a no-fat breakfast and lunch such as cooked cereal with fruit, fruit juice, bread and preserves or honey (no butter or milk), baked potato or other vegetables with salt only. This allows the bile to build up and develop pressure in the liver. Higher pressure pushes out more stones.

2:00 PM. Do not eat or drink after 2 o'clock. If you break this rule you could feel quite ill later. Get your Epsom salts ready. Mix 4 tbs. in 3 cups water and pour this into a jar. This makes four servings, 3/4 (three fourths) cup each. Set the jar in the refrigerator to get ice cold (this is for convenience and taste only).

[ You can substitute 3 cups water with 3 cups freshly pressed grapefruit juice, or freshly pressed apple juice, it tastes better .]

6:00 PM. Drink one serving 3/4 (three fourths cup) of the ice cold Epsom salts. If you did not prepare this ahead of time, mix 1 tbs. in 3/4 (three fourth) cup water now. You may add 1/8 (one eight) tsp. vitamin C powder to improve the taste. You may also drink a few mouthfuls of water afterwards or rinse your mouth. Get the olive oil (ozonated, if possible) and grapefruit out to warm up.

Alternative Schedule 1: Omit the first Epsom Slats dose at 6 p.m. Take only one dose, waiting till 8 p.m. Change nothing else. Many people still get stones with one less dose. If you do not, do the full course next time. "The Cure For HIV and AIDS" By Hulda Clark pg.585

8:00 PM. Repeat by drinking another 3/4 (three fourths) cup of Epsom salts.You haven't eaten since two o'clock, but you won't feel hungry. Get your bedtime chores done. The timing is critical for success.

9:45 PM. Pour 1/2 (half) cup (measured) olive oil into the pint jar. Add 2 drops HCl to sterilize. Wash grapefruit twice in hot water and dry; squeeze by hand into the measuring cup. Remove pulp with fork. You should have at least 1/2 (half) cup, more (up to 3/4 (three fourths) cup) is best. You may use part lemonade. Add this to the olive oil. Also add Black Walnut Tincture. Close the jar tightly with the lid and shake hard until watery (only fresh grapefruit juice does this).

Now visit the bathroom one or more time, even if it makes you late for your ten o'clock drink. Don't be more than 15 minutes late. You will get fewer stones.

10:00 PM. Drink the potion you have mixed. Take 4 ornithine capsules with the first sips to make sure you will sleep through the night. Take 8 if you already suffer from insomnia. Drinking through a large plastic straw helps it go down easier. You may use oil and vinegar salad dressing, or straight honey to chase it down between sips. Have these ready in a tablespoon on the kitchen counter. Take it all to your bedside if you want, but drink it standing up. Get it down within 5 minutes (fifteen minutes for very elderly or weak persons).

Lie down immediately. You might fail to get stones out if you don't. The sooner you lie down the more stones you will get out. Be ready for bed ahead of time. Don't clean up the kitchen. As soon as the drink is down walk to your bed and lie down flat on your back with your head up high on the pillow. Try to think about what is happening in the liver. Try to keep perfectly still for at least 20 minutes. You may feel a train of stones traveling along the bile ducts like marbles. There is no pain because the bile duct valves are open (thank you Epsom salts!). Go to sleep, you may fail to get stones out if you don't.

Next morning. Upon awakening take your third dose of Epsom salts. If you have indigestion or nausea wait until it is gone before drinking the Epsom salts. You may go back to bed. Don't take this potion before 6:00 am.

2 Hours Later. Take your fourth (the last) dose of Epsom salts. You may go back to bed again.

"The Cure For HIV and AIDS" By Hulda Clark pg.585
Alternative Schedule 2: After taking the first dose of Epsom salts in the morning, wait two hours and take a second dose of the oil mixture (but only 1/2 cup)and go back to bed. After two more hours take another dose of Epsom salts. This schedule can increase the number of stones you remove."

After 2 More Hours you may eat. Start with fruit juice. Half an hour later eat fruit. One hour later you may eat regular food but keep it light. By supper you should feel recovered.


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Mar 05 2008 15:54:57
Message:

Here's a post I read today that kind of sums up the role of the liver and weight management:

The liver is responsible for energy metabolism. Your muscles do about 12%, the LIVER does the rest! That means your liver is responsible for taking the foods you eat and changing them into usable energy, or calories, and then utilizing those calories for energy and brain food. That's a bit of a simplification as I don't want to get into what the TCA cycle is but you get the point.

If the liver is congested, it cannot metabolize foods properly. It can't BURN them. It can only break them down enough to deposit them, still as calories, someplace, usually as fats or the kind of bad fats that cause cellulite. This is one of the reasons why we call liver and bile the FIRE of the power of digestion.

This is why people who gain weight quickly find that even after they lose it they still have to watch their weight - because they never cleanse their liver.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Mar 05 2008 20:59:04
Message:

Hi dbon,

Just for the sake of balance, I thought I'd post this link: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html

But, for the benefit of a doubt, have you tried that particular liver flush yourself? What did you think? Did it have any immediate effects? Has it "cured" you or eliminated the bloat & have you lost the weight gained after gall bladder surgery?

I'm still thinking you guys are onto something with taking care of the liver, I'm just wondering about the efficacy of liver flushes (specifically the detailed one described above). I'm pretty sure the epsom salts drinks will cause pretty significant expulsion of the digestive tract (as with the magnesium citrate drinks you have to take before having a colonoscopy, for example). And I know that might cause a temporary weight loss, but I'm not sure that digestive purges solves (or helps to any significant degree?) the fundamental problem.

John, please do keep us posted with your progress with the special liver nutrition diet approach. Ed is also going that same route. He's currently reading the "Liver Cleansing Diet Book" by Sandra Cabot to get a better handle on how he might best approach. We'll be watching with interest for your posts.

dwd: I noticed you copied a prior post from Restore regarding the diagnosis of parasites in the digestive tract as the cause of all our concerns. Did you have something to add? If you do, I would be interested in hearing it.

Ecca: Welcome. I believe Ed also has trouble breathing when he's bloated. The more severe the bloat the more trouble breathing, especially when it's as you describe with the tummy being very hard and bloating after eating.


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Mar 05 2008 21:24:35
Message:

Quackwatch is not a reliable site as they mostly support the medical community, big pharma, etc. Liver flushes do work and if you read curezone there are thousands of personal testimonies from those whose lives have been changed from doing them. Yes, I've done several and will continue to do them every 2 weeks until no more stones come out. I've lost weight and my liver functions better but still not 100%. I am a believer in them and if anyone takes the time to fully research them, they will see that they do work and they do flush the liver of stones, bile sludge, stagnant bile. They aren't a quick fix and getting your liver functioning at optimum level takes a long time.


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Mar 06 2008 00:57:20
Message:

The liver definitely plays a huge part in this. I also have something going on with my liver since GB removal. I had a constant pain in that area and I started taking a liver detox and a few months later it went away. It came back again but am back on the liver detox. In all the blood work I've had taken the only #s that are "off" are one of my liver #s are elevated but dr had no idea why.


I know i mentioned this before but was wondering if anyone has had any problems with chronic candida (albicans) (aka yeast infections)?
That is the only ongoing issue I have had on/off for a few yrs now. No matter what it keeps coming back, its not the yucky kind that you would take an otc med for... it is just painful and uncomfortable, the only thing that has temporarily relieved it is diflucan. It goes away for a while but every time I increase my exercise routine it comes back even worse.

I just read an article that said 75% of women that are unable to lose weight with diet/exercise have a candida problem that they are not aware of.



Reply author: Debby
Replied on: Mar 06 2008 03:22:58
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by j.Allen




dwd: I noticed you copied a prior post from Restore regarding the diagnosis of parasites in the digestive tract as the cause of all our concerns. Did you have something to add? If you do, I would be interested in hearing it.




My first thought was that dwd is Restore with another new ID. Why else would someone post that but make no further comment?


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Mar 06 2008 08:05:51
Message:

marieya - I think that most people probably do have some degree of candida. Anyone who has ever taken antibiotics probably has candida since antibiotics kill off the good bacteria in your intestines. One way to tell is if you crave sugar.

Do you take probiotics? I do know that you have to eliminate all white sugar and white flour from your diet. Grapefruit seed extract is helpful to kill off the bad yeast. You want to replenish your intestines with the good bacteria, while starving the bad yeast. It is a two-fold process. I think oregano oil is good and garlic and kefir. Some people like threelac and I've also heard that candibactin is good.

I've also read that this site http://www.rejuvenative.com/articleRCV.htm has wonderful products that replenish the good bacteria like sauerkraut, kim chi, etc. I haven't ordered from them yet, but I plan to. Try some of these things, but mostly I think you have to starve the yeast and that means no sugar or flour.


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Mar 06 2008 08:07:47
Message:

One other product that is supposed to be good that I am now taking is Jarro-dophilus EFS.


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Mar 06 2008 21:35:56
Message:

Does Your Liver Need an Overhaul? The Importance of Liver Flushing
by Andreas Moritz

If you experience major, persisting health problems, either physical or emotional, your liver may be congested with toxic compounds that are trapped within clumps of hardened bile (intrahepatic stones. Almost all health conditions, beauty problems and premature aging are closely linked with declined liver performance which most often is elusive to blood tests. Congestion in the bile ducts of the liver undermines the body’s effort to make proper use of the food you eat. This, in turn, may lead to numerous physical ailments and accentuated expressions of discomfort, including fear, anger, impatience, greed, depression, dis-ease and cynicism. Cleansing the liver of existing obstructions and impurities can help restore balance, vitality and happiness in every facet of your life.

When the Body Complains…

Unlike the stomach, for example, the liver never tells you directly when it is upset or needs special attention. It tells you indirectly, though, when it starts to perform poorly. The following conditions are related to poor liver functions: skin irritation, weak eyesight, unhealthy bowel movements, irregular menstrual cycles, recurring headaches, unexplainable weight gain, loss of energy, sudden aging, elevated cholesterol levels, most allergies, constricted blood vessels, bloated abdomen, fluid retention, gastrointestinal trouble, breathing difficulties, poor memory and concentration, pain in the joints or elsewhere in the body, brittle bones and any other major illness such as heart disease, cancer, MS, diabetes or Alzheimer's disease.

The liver is responsible for processing, converting, distributing and maintaining the body's fuel supply which consists of nutrients and energy. Impeding these vital functions not only affects the body’s performance as a whole, but also the health of every single cell. The liver cannot perform any of these functions properly if its bile ducts are clogged with deposits of hardened bile or “gallstones” (made of gall or bile).

Gallstones are caused by a number of factors, including the modern fast pace of living, stress, imbalanced diets, disruptive lifestyle, use of medical drugs, stimulants and alcohol, and ingestion of chemical poisons, such as food additives and artificial sweeteners. Bile duct congestion results in major impairment of digestive functions, thereby restricting the nutrient supply to the trillions of cells in the body. This makes gallstones in the liver to be a major cause of physical and emotional illness.

The Amazing Liver and Gallbladder Flush

The liver flush mentioned in this context is a straightforward, safe and painless do-it-yourself procedure using apple juice (or malic acid), olive oil, citrus juice and Epsom salts to dispel gallstones from both the liver and the gallbladder. The actual liver flush takes place within a period of less than fourteen hours and can be taken conveniently over a weekend at home.. Although the liver flush is very easy to do, it is important to understand the process and follow all of the directions precisely.

Since introducing the liver and gallbladder flush to thousands of patients in the 1990s, I have received countless testimonies expressing total amazement about the fast and profound healing effects it produces. They encouraged me to write a book on the subject. The 200-page book, The Amazing Liver and Gallbladder Flush, includes the exact procedure and necessary background information for conducting this simple, yet most profound cleanse. Today, the liver and gallbladder flush has helped restore the health of hundreds of thousands of people in all parts of the world.

Gallstones in the Liver—The Most Common Cause of Illness

An estimated 20 percent of the world’s population will develop gallstones in their gallbladder at some stage in their lives; many of them will opt for surgical removal of this important organ. This statistical figure does not account, though, for the many more people who will develop gallstones (or already have them) in their liver. During some thirty years of practicing natural medicine and dealing with thousands of people suffering from all types of chronic diseases, I can attest to the fact that each one of them, without exception, has had considerable quantities of gallstones in his or her liver. Surprisingly, only relatively few of them reported to have had a history of gallstones in their gallbladder.

Gallstones in the liver may be the main impediment to acquiring and maintaining good health, youthfulness, and vitality. Gallstones in the liver may, indeed, be one of the major reasons people become ill and have difficulty recuperating from illness.

Medicine’s Most Unfortunate Oversight

Many people believe that gallstones can be found only in the gallbladder. This is a commonly made yet false assumption. Most gallstones are actually formed in the liver, and comparatively few occur in the gallbladder. You can easily verify this assessment by giving yourself a liver flush. It matters little whether you are a layperson, a medical doctor, a scientist, or someone whose gallbladder was removed and, therefore, is believed to be stone free. The results of the liver flush speak for themselves. No amount of scientific proof or medical explanation can make such a cleanse any more valuable than it already is. Once you see hundreds of green, beige-colored, brown, or black gallstones floating in the toilet bowl during your first liver flush, you will intuitively know that you are on to something extremely important in your life.

I am repeatedly asked the intriguing question—why is there only little or no reference in mainstream medicine to the occurrence of gallstones in the liver? Standard clinical tests almost never reveal the occurrence of gallstones in the liver. In fact, most doctors don’t even know they grow there. Only some of the most advanced research universities, such as the prestigious Johns Hopkins University, describe and illustrate these liver stones in their literature or on their web sites. They refer to them as “intrahepatic gallstones.” The failure to recognize and accept the incidence of gallstone formation in the liver as an extremely common phenomenon may very well be the most unfortunate oversight that has ever been made in the field of medicine, both orthodox and holistic.

Relying so heavily on blood tests for diagnostic purposes, as conventional medicine does, may actually be a great disadvantage with regard to assessing liver health. Most people who have a physical complaint of one kind or another may show to have perfectly normal liver enzyme levels in the blood, despite suffering from liver congestion. Liver congestion is among the leading health problems, yet conventional medicine rarely refers to it, nor do doctors have a reliable way to detect and diagnose such a condition. Liver enzyme levels in the blood become elevated only when there is advanced liver cell destruction, as is the case, for example, in hepatitis or liver inflammation. Liver cells contain large amounts of enzymes. Once a certain number of liver cells are ruptured, their enzymes will start showing up in the blood. When detected through a blood test, this increased count of liver enzymes indicates abnormal liver functions. In such an event, however, the damage has already occurred. It takes many years of chronic liver congestion before liver damage becomes apparent.

Unfortunately, unless there is a specific liver disease, this vital organ is rarely considered a “culprit” for other diseases. The majority of gallstones in the liver consist of the same “harmless” constituents as are found in liquid bile, with cholesterol being the main ingredient. A number of stones consist of fatty acids and other organic material that has ended up in the bile ducts. The fact that the majority of these stones are just congealed clumps of bile or organic matter makes them practically “invisible” to x-rays, ultrasonic technologies, and Computer Tomography (CT).

The situation is different with regard to the gallbladder, where up to about 20 percent of all stones can be made-up entirely of minerals, predominantly, calcium salts and bile pigments. Whereas diagnostic tests can easily detect these hardened, relatively large stones in the gallbladder, they tend to miss the softer, non-calcified stones in the liver. Only when excessive amounts of cholesterol-based stones (85-95% cholesterol) or other clumps of fat block the bile ducts of the liver, may an ultrasound test reveal what is generally referred to as “fatty liver.” In such a case, the ultrasound pictures reveal a liver that is almost completely white (instead of black). A fatty liver can gather up to 20,000 stones before it succumbs to suffocation and ceases to function.

If you had a fatty liver and went to the doctor, he would tell you that you had excessive fatty tissue in your liver. It is less likely, though, that he would tell you that you had intrahepatic gallstones (stones obstructing the liver’s bile ducts). As mentioned before, most of the smaller stones in the liver are not detectable through ultrasound or Computer axial Tomography (CT). Nevertheless, careful analysis of diagnostic images by specialists would show whether some of the smaller bile ducts in the liver were dilated because of obstruction. A dilation of bile ducts caused by larger and denser stones or by clusters of stones may be detected more readily through Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI). However, unless there is an indication of major liver trouble, doctors rarely check for such intrahepatic stones. Unfortunately, although the liver is one of the most important organs in the body, its disorders are also under-diagnosed all too often.

Even if the early stages of a fatty liver or gallstone formation in the bile ducts were easily recognized and diagnosed, today’s medical facilities offer no treatments to relieve this vital organ of the heavy burden it has to carry.

On the other hand, a qualified iridologist, an Ayurvedic physician or a natural health practitioner who knows the signs and indications of gallstones in the liver and gallbladder, can easily determine the extent of gallstone formation in these organs. [Such indicators are listed in the book The Amazing Liver and Gallbladder Flush, www.ener-chi.com.] Most people in the civilized world have gallstones. But even in alternative or holistic medicine, there is rarely mention of an effective therapy that can actually remove gallstones safely and without pain. Gallstones are a direct product of an unhealthy diet and lifestyle. If gallstones are still present in the liver even after all other disease-causing factors are eliminated, they pose a considerable health risk and may lead to illness and premature aging. By removing these stones, the body as a whole is able to resume its normal, healthy activities.

Reaping the Benefits

People with chronic illnesses often have several thousand gallstones congesting the bile ducts of the liver. Some stones may have also grown in the gallbladder. By removing these stones from these organs through a series of liver flushes and maintaining a balanced diet and lifestyle, the liver and gallbladder can restore their original efficiency, and most symptoms of discomfort or disease in the body can start subsiding. You may find that any persistent allergies will lessen or disappear. Back pain will dissipate, while energy and well-being will improve.

Sweeping the liver clean eliminates thousands of bits of poisonous substances that have helped form the stones and block thousands of liver bile ducts. Ridding the liver bile ducts from gallstones is one of the most important and powerful procedures you can apply to improve and regain your physical and emotional health. By reopening the bile ducts, the body’s energy circuits become restored and healing can take place on all levels of body, mind and spirit.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Mar 06 2008 22:32:46
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HI GUYS!!! WOW!! lot's of new people!!!! this forum is getting better and better!!! MARIEYA!!!! OMG!!! I've had this strange yeast infection that not only covers my rear area but the other part as well...i went to a gastro doc and he gave me ointment and had said it was from ulcerative colitis i once had and the use of anti biotics..the ointment hasn't worked and I noticed that it started AFTER my GB removal...ALSO, even though I've kept the weight off, I haven't been taking my bile salts regularly and noticed a creeping weight gain......NOW, about this liver flush, is this something that needs to be done once a month or what, and can someone give me the lowdown step by step on what i need to do..also is there a decent pill that can be taken instead of the natural flush? hi marieya, dbon, jallen and mr ed!!! hopefully we're getting somewhere??


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Mar 07 2008 00:23:18
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Thanks so much dbon,lots of info! just skimming for now cause I've worked 2 12 hr days in a row and going for another tomorrow! Will reread this weekedn but real quickly, I have tried the three-lac and had no effect whatsoever. I also take Acidophilus which is supposed to replenish the good stuff. Will look into some of the other options you listed too...am willing to try ANYTHING @ this point.

Even when I don't have any symptoms (the severe pain, discomfort etc "down there") it still feels like there is an underlying problem that could pop up @ any time. Sure enough, last mo when I increased my exercise I started to feel it becomming a problem again so I went back on the Diflucan for a few weeks. Then I went off, got sick last week and had anti-biotics... The 1st I've had in over 3 yrs (I rarely get sick). and sure enough I am in serious pain over here :( The diflucan doesn't even seem like it is working anymore.

I know this thread is about the gall bladder so don't want to side track the issue but maybe with all the imbalances going on this has something to do with it.?

I do feel like we are becomming more aware at least. There was the article I read that talks about Liver cleansing, colon cleansing, and getting rid of the yeast as a must. The liver cleansing we have been exploring here so figured there may be a tie in. I might just go see a hollistic Dr , it couldn't be any worse than the quacks I've seen in the past couple yrs!

http://www.healthynewage.com/197502.html is where I read the article.

echo darlin! sorry to hear about the yeast problem! It is awful I know! am glad to hear that I'm not alone though. Perhaps, if we can rid our bodies (you and I, not sure about the others) of the underlying yeast problems, and do a liver detox, and even so far as a colonoscopy, I wonder if our bodies will even out and allow the weight to come off? Or is it that w/out the gall bladder we are jut doomed to a life of plus size clothes and hiding from friends/family I'm hoping we can find the solution!


Reply author: Farrell
Replied on: Mar 07 2008 02:46:11
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Hi! Hope everyone is doing well! Has anyone tried Chanca Piedra, Yacon, Artichoke Leaf Supplements, or Purple Corn Extract? Apparently all of these things help in one way or other...Is there a pill that contains them all???

Im just read this:
http://www.sensiblehealth.com/Journey.xhtml

And this:
http://www.naturalnews.com/007733.html

Both interesting! Does everyone think they have finally found a website that understands them...then realize all they want to do is sell you something? I keep running into that =( Perhaps they mean well?...

=( I'm tired of looking 5 months pregnant all the time...


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Mar 07 2008 08:06:20
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hey marieya!! thank GOD there's no face to my threads, it's kinda embarrassing talkin' about yeast "down there" and personal stuff!! LOL!! i came across this website that seems diificult but it's well explained
http://www.ghchealth.com/7day-intestinal-cleanse.html

i am definitely going to do a liver flush and intestinal/ colon cleanse..i'm just wondering if the hydrotherapy would work since it's quicker?

farrell, i've run into the same thing..you try the stuff and it doesn't work..the one thing that I KNOW and I believe Marieya will agree is that bile salts are a MUST..I've learned that from personal experience.


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Mar 07 2008 09:23:02
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by echo

HI GUYS!!! WOW!! lot's of new people!!!! this forum is getting better and better!!! MARIEYA!!!! OMG!!! I've had this strange yeast infection that not only covers my rear area but the other part as well...i went to a gastro doc and he gave me ointment and had said it was from ulcerative colitis i once had and the use of anti biotics..the ointment hasn't worked and I noticed that it started AFTER my GB removal...ALSO, even though I've kept the weight off, I haven't been taking my bile salts regularly and noticed a creeping weight gain......NOW, about this liver flush, is this something that needs to be done once a month or what, and can someone give me the lowdown step by step on what i need to do..also is there a decent pill that can be taken instead of the natural flush? hi marieya, dbon, jallen and mr ed!!! hopefully we're getting somewhere??



Hi echo,
I posted Hulda Clark's protocol on doing a liver flush. Just follow it as closely as you can. Flushes can be done every 2 weeks because it takes that long for the stones to move down the bile ducts. The liver is congested with stones in most people and each person shows different symptoms. From doing a lot of reading, I learned that most ailments clear up with multiple liver flushes. Those of us without gallbladders definitely need to do them because that is why we had GB problems in the first place. Removing the GB only removed the depository for them. It is almost certain that our liver is still full of them.

Diet plays a major part in liver congestion but the liver needs to be cleaned before it can function properly. I am going to be doing my 7th one next week. I still get stones out. The first two only yielded mostly chaff and stagnant bile and that is normal so don't dismay if the first couple don't yield much.

Prior to doing one, it's best to do a parasite cleanse because parasites can live in the bile ducts and wreak havoc. Some good ones I've read about are: humaworm and clarkia. Of course there are lots to choose from. I tried the one from GHC called paratrex. The colon also must be cleansed so the stones can be eliminated quickly. Some people like colonix. I've never tried it but you can also use bentonite and psyllium shakes and Arise and Shine makes some expensive colon cleansing products and oxypowder from GHC is also good and easy.

The liver is the seat of our emotions so when you do liver flushes, you may experience old emotions. That is very normal. Between flushes you can take liver herbs to detox the liver. One I'm using is Planetary Formula Liver Cleanse. Although, I've also read that is better to flush the liver before taking herbs because if it's congested, it may make you feel worse, but I guess that's something you have to decide for yourself.

If you go to curezone.com and look at the Liver Flush Support Forum, you can read about tons of experiences with liver flushing. I would start there and read as much as you can about it. I know this is a lot of info. to digest but I've been working at this for going on a year and still feel I have a ways to go. We didn't get this way overnight and we won't be cured overnight. It takes time and commitment.

One last thing, I read from a poster about liver flushing that I thought was very interesting:

Real doctors in real hospitals in the 1920's & 30's used liver flushing as a way to cleanse the liver and save people from gallbladder surgery. I have found evidence of this from the works of Dr. Kelley (whose liver flush protocol was taken from the protocol of Lahey Clinic/Boston during that time). Liver flushing is nothing new, nor is it "quacky" or dangerous. Doctors at that time would never have admitted a person to the hospitals for something as simple as drinking olive oil & Epsom Salt water - so we can pretty much be assured it was considered a simple, outpatient procedure.

-- 'tis my educated/researched opinion that liver flushing fell out of favor when surgery became safer (and less people died regularly of infections & complications). Of course, there's absolutely no money to be made by hospitals & physicians by liver flushing - gallbladder removal is now the most common surgical procedure nationwide (or was last time I checked).


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Mar 07 2008 09:29:33
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I forgot to mention that you should soften the stones prior to flushing. You can drink a gallon of apple juice, used malic acid, chanca piedra, of Julia Chang's Gold Coin Grass on sensiblehealth.com. This needs to be done for a few days before the flush.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Mar 07 2008 09:38:43
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Echo, Good to "see" you again. I was wondering about you yesterday thinking we haven't heard from you in a while. Glad to know you're still with us. Don't you gals be embarassed by talking about yeast issues amongst us fellas...we're in this together As Marieya said, "there might be a tie-in".

Debby: I can understand why you might have thought dwd is Restore with another name since she has (by her own admission) changed names on this forum before. I still don't understand why Restore left so abruptly without explanation. She made some very strong claims in very certain language. Based on that Ed made some expensive purchases and followed her recommendations to the point where his wife nearly took him to the emergency room for serious and extreme bloating (and breathing trouble) apparently caused by the massive quantities of brewers yeast he was consuming (an integral part of her solution for restoration). During that time I tried to reach Restore through this forum and through 2 different Email addresses, with no response back from her. So I don't know what to think of Restore or her proposed "solution".

dbon: Okay, you win! I am going to nominate you for the the title of Queen of Liver Flushes! I am very interested in following your progress with the liver flushes. Wouldn't it be great if it turns out to be the key to solving this "post gall bladder surgery weight gain that can't be shed no matter what I do and how often I do it" problem! We can only hope so! (I'm keeping my fingers crossed)

Farrell: re "Does everyone think they have finally found a website that understands them...then realize all they want to do is sell you something? I keep running into that =( Perhaps they mean well?... =( I'm tired of looking 5 months pregnant all the time..." YES, YES, YEP, and I understand! By the way, I like your signature "I'm tired of looking 5 months pregnant all the time". I said it before, it rings true for men having to deal with this as well!

More about finding a website that understands...folks, this website was really not designed for us, because the DietPower program doesn't work for us. It seems to work wonders for so many people, (including some people who've had their gall bladders removed), but alas, it doesn't work for a significant number of people who've never had this problem before and yet have something in common. That is, simply stated: We started bloating and putting on enormous amounts of weight after having had our gall bladders removed and are unable to get rid of it in spite of years and years of trying apparently every single diet and weight loss program and exercise program known to man and the medical and weight loss profession. We owe a LARGE debt of gratitude to the folks who created and run DietPower for allowing us to meet and greet and carry on this long running conversation here. I hope they will continue to be so generous until such a time as a dedicated website is formed for the purpose of helping people who continue to search to find answers as to why we are continually bloating and gaining weight and why you can't get rid of the weight no matter what you do.

John (projectgallbladder) has registered the domain name www.projectgallbladder.com for just such a purpose. Since nothing is off the ground yet, other domain names are still possible. Any suggestions? Also, I have no idea what it might cost and what is involved in setting up and running a website that would include forums for discussions, etc.. Does anyone know? A ball park estimate of expense & time committement?


Reply author: Farrell
Replied on: Mar 07 2008 17:28:35
Message:

http://groups.myspace.com/projectgallbladder

I made us a free group on myspace if anyone is a memeber. We may be able to find more people on there since it is so widely used =)

=( I'm tired of looking 5 months pregnant all the time...


Reply author: tanner
Replied on: Mar 08 2008 21:05:53
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Hello,
I happened upon this forum looking for a cause to my weight gain. My gall bladder was removed when I was 28 week pregnant with my second child. Any type of food made me extremely ill. Since I was losing too much weight, which might cause me to go into labor, the decision was made to remove it while the baby and I were still healthy (no blockage or jaundice). Since my gall bladder went bad I have carried an extra 30 pounds. No matter what I have done other than Atkins it keeps haning on. Any ideas would be appreciated!


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Mar 08 2008 21:13:42
Message:

hey guys, here's another website that this can be posted

http://sparkpeople.com/

i'm 7echo7..
i haven't started a post yet because i just joined last week, but if anyone wants to join, (it's for free) and start a post i'm sure all will follow...

HEY JALLEN!!! and thanx farrell for the myspace, and welcome tanner!!!


Reply author: chunk
Replied on: Mar 09 2008 16:00:44
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I've done lots of reading of these posts and it's horribly upsetting to see others going thru the same thing. I am to see my internist this week and after reading these posts here, expect him to say I'm eating too much, etc.

I am terribly miserable. I could hardly get out of the bath tub because my gut was in the way. I am so ashamed and sickened.

I talked with my nephew who sells for "Freelife International" and he recommended I try their DigestiMax. Has anyone heard of it or tried it and what were your results. I am leaning toward a liver cleanse, but there are so many on the market and the advice is free flowing I want to make sure I am doing the right thing and not making myself sicker than I already am.

If anyone can give me some suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Mar 09 2008 18:53:26
Message:

hey chunk..the best thing you can do is look through this entire forum being that there is so much and everyone is different...i know for a FACT that you need bile salts if you've had your GB removed. you can get those on myvits.com..i know they have helped me and others on here..calcium pyruvate has been helping as well, and a good enzyme..since all of us go up and down in weight so drastically, we are still waiting on a cure all and i think we are getting there..so just stay tuned...i'm trying to find a good liver cleanse as well, the liver cleanse diet is hard for a lot because we work, so welcome to the forum and hang in there!!


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Mar 09 2008 19:14:03
Message:

hopefully this goes through..i started a blog on
http://sparkpeople.com/myspark/groups_individual.asp?gid=19721

maybe there are others that have the same problem on this other diet forum


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Mar 09 2008 20:31:09
Message:

chunk,

Thank you for joining in the conversation. Would you tell us a little more about your own personal experience.

This comment really hit home: "I am terribly miserable. I could hardly get out of the bath tub because my gut was in the way. I am so ashamed and sickened.".

I recall others here also using the word "ashamed". This really breaks my heart to read it or hear it, but I know full and well how you ladies and gentlemen feel that way. I think it is because we know that everyone around us, everyone who sees us, strangers, co-workers, friends, neighbors, (and for some even family members), and most devastating doctors and health care professionals, think we are personally responsible for our swollen bellies. We just need to diet and exercise...just burn more calories than you consume...just stop eating bad calories and start eating good calories...just walk more...just try this diet, or try that diet...etceteras...

Truth is, you know it's not your fault. You know you shouldn't feel ashamed. And when you've reached the point where you've seen enough doctors who don't believe you, or you've seen enough doctors who do believe you but can't help you, and when you've tried every diet available (including medically supervised liquid diets), and when you've dieted yourself into starvation, and when you've walked or jogged or run more miles than all of your neighbors combined, and when you consulted with more alternative practitioners than you ever imagined you would have considered, and when you've spent a small fortune on dietary products and supplements galore, and more...THEN you'll really know you should NOT feel ashamed.

Feel anything but shame.

Chunk, please stick around and help us. Tell us more about your story. Give us more details. How long ago did you have your gall bladder removed? Did you have a weight problem before? How much weight have you put on? What have you tried? Do you have any support at all? How about your family? Do they understand that something is "not right".


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Mar 10 2008 23:14:21
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FACT... The surgeon that removed my gall bladder also specializes in the lap band surgery!

Yes Ashamed is exactly right...

I have been avoiding friend/family because I look/feel disgusting. My neice's bday was this weekend which I had to go, didn't want to miss anyways.

They weren't trying to be hurtful but they couldn't help but stare.
It was awful and it was difficult to fight the tears...
especially when they were taking photos and I declined, do you know my brother actually said to me last time I saw him - what happened to my sister, you ate her Then my mom is like wow, omg.. I said I know I know I can't help it! They are my family and were not trying to be cruel, they are just used to seeing me a certain way and cannot understand WHAT I AM DOING to be gaining so much weight


Reply author: Farrell
Replied on: Mar 11 2008 02:52:52
Message:

Mommy: I am taking Welchol (WELCHOL is a bile acid sequestrant indicated as an adjunct to diet and exercise to reduce elevated low-density lipoprotein cholesterol) to absorb the extra bile I have "dripping" into places it shouldn't be. Its also there for bad cholesterol..Im 23 however so im not on it for that. My dr gave it to me strickly for the bile. Im also on Adderall ( cheating to loose weight I guess hehe however not working....and it should be)

Marieya: DONT ever feel icky around people! When does that show come on TLC..how to look good naked? Maybe we should all watch it so we cope with our weight and start feeling great about ourselves! Maybe if we start feeling great, have positive attitudes and think we are frikin HOT... the worry weight will start melting off!? hmm I know that sounds crazy hard =( Its been hard for me, how I dealt with it? Well I started by buying a pair of jeans that fit me..instead of trying to squeeze into my old size 7 denial jeans...I now own a size 14 and from old navy that means 16...they are a bit big, probably too big, I should have bought a 12 (ON=14) anywho they are soo baggy many days I am like "dang! Im loosing more weight...these things are falling off!"

How's everyone doing? I can't wait until I go back to the Dr! April! yay! <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/FbNzpzh4cSc"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/FbNzpzh4cSc" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

=( I'm tired of looking 5 months pregnant all the time...


Reply author: projectgallbladder
Replied on: Mar 11 2008 09:50:31
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[[size=5]quote]Originally posted by j.Allen


Hi JA

I have kicked off the web site project. Hope to have a draft up and running shortly [30-40 days]. First step will be to setup a forum followed by the knowledge - information content area. Engaging external parties to set up will be easy and quicker. Any contributions from founding members will be welcome (not a huge cost).

As for a domain name. Looking or suggestion. Projectgallbladder does not have that user support ring tone. Please all provide some input no matter how silly it may should. Happy to receive via private email ' blueicesynergy@hotmail.comSPAM ' remove SPAM off end

Very shortly I will be looking for suggestion on Website features / objectives and what you want the member’s area to facilitate. This is your website. [see my page xx post] There will be opportunity for a governing board for content publishing to be established before setup.

I have time to get this up and running due to been made redundant 2 weeks ago.. May have something to do with non performance as I have been suffering from high sick leave 2nd 1/2 of 2007. Very unusual for me to be sick but this is when my problems stated to kick in after the Nov 2006 surgery.

Take care

John[/size=2]

John (projectgallbladder) has registered the domain name www.projectgallbladder.com for just such a purpose. Since nothing is off the ground yet, other domain names are still possible. Any suggestions? Also, I have no idea what it might cost and what is involved in setting up and running a website that would include forums for discussions, etc.. Does anyone know? A ball park estimate of expense & time committement?
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Reply author: echo
Replied on: Mar 11 2008 12:56:21
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mommy, invest in bile salts..bile salts break down fats being that we no longer have our GB to store it.


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Mar 12 2008 00:19:13
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ty (((farrell)) echo, all! I wish I had something more to bring to this forum but I am afraid to try anything else.

Am gonna do the high fiber diet and see if that is any help. My gastro appt isn't until end of April and my vacation is a month away...am hoping beyond hopes for a miracle! I would kill someone to be @ a size 12/14 that @ one point I would have scoffed at. Am currently in an 18!! (have usually been an 8 my adult life)

projectgallbladder actually has a catchy ring to it, for those of us immersed in everything gallbladderish.

And thank God for echo introducing me to Bile Salts, they are the only thing keeping stomach (gut) from getting any bigger


Reply author: Farrell
Replied on: Mar 12 2008 00:24:01
Message:

I love the name Project Gall Bladder! I am all for that!

=( I'm tired of looking 5 months pregnant all the time...


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Mar 12 2008 09:03:51
Message:

I wonder if something like "Living Without a Gallbladder" or "Life Without a Gallbladder" would be better in a search engine?


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Mar 12 2008 12:38:22
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mommy, you only take bile salts when you eat, if you don't take them with a meal, it will cause indigestion.

MARIEYA!!! WOO HOO!! i taped a news recording about a supplement that has given awesome results in weight loss..one guy lost 12lbs in one month and another had lost 10lbs..it was backed by DR. Jo here in tampa on fox 13..it's called DEX C20 and it's made locally here in Fla. you can get it at GNC or online..it's derived from a plant from India like Hoodia. I'm gonna purchase some and in a month i'll let you guys know if i lose anything..


Reply author: cherylV1958
Replied on: Mar 12 2008 22:20:04
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Hello, I am so glad to find out that I'm not the only person who has had significant weight gain since having my gall bladder removed in October 2006. I never realized I had gall stones until one caused my acute pancreatitis in March '05. I ended up spending 25 days in the hospital (actually 2 different hospitals, one in my hometown and the other a teaching hospital 30 miles away). I had my gall bladder removed along with a psuedocyst on my pancreas resected. At first, it was nice being "skinny" again. Then, with no real change in diet, I started putting on a few pounds (people thought I looked healthier with a few extra pounds). Then, it just kept going.....I've put on almost 60 lbs. in almost 18 months. I know once you get past a certain age (I just turned 50 a few weeks ago) it's harder to lose weight, but it's nice to know that part of the problem could be not having a gall bladder.


Reply author: ScottishGuy87
Replied on: Mar 17 2008 00:21:55
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Hi, I found this forum via google and have spent the last 6 hours reading everyone's comments. I've found it all very interesting and it has set my mind at ease.

I'll tell you my backstory.

I'm 20 years old, When I was 17, I began getting pains in my abdomen, usually in the middle of the night after having particularly fatty food or a lot of alcohol(not any different to every other 17 year old's activities)

At first I brushed it aside and just thought I was overdoing it with spicy/fatty food and alcoholic spirits but it began happening with more regularity even when I had been on a diet of porridge, salad sandwiches, fish and lean meat. I also was an avid consumer of multi vits and Odourless Garlic aswell as Codliver Oil every other day. So I can safely say I took every precaution in my daily life to ensure my own health with the occasional food or alcohol binge.

It's also interesting to note I had lost 45 pounds in 3 months during Summer break from School as I wanted my senior year photo and senior year experiences to be pleasant ones. I had been overweight all my life mainly heriditory reasons, as almost all my family are overweight. But as I say I made a determined effort that summer and shed weight very quick;y by cutting fat out of my diet completely and eating measured amounts of carbs and plenty of nutrients.

However early on in my senior year, I could tell something wasn't right. All my peers could eat/drink like I did and didn't suffer the consequences. I would wake up in agony, writhing in pain almost as if one those alien critters from Alien was wanting to burst through my stomach(nice imagery eh!?). After visiting the doctor several times, some doctors even saying I may have irritable bowel syndrome. IBS in a 17 year old?!?! exactly! Others thought it might be a stomach ulcer. Just before Christmas in my senior year, I went to the hospital to get a scan of my stomach and surrounding area. They had found gallstones , several of them, littering my gall bladder, and one particularly large one stuck in the bile duct(I was told this particular stone caused the bouts of agony.)

Anyhow, because I had had this problem for at least 4 months by then and the situation had escalated, my gall bladder was so inflammed and messed up that the powers that be insisted Surgery was the best and only course of action because if I left the problem unresolved, my gall bladder may become gangrenous(sp?)

With a combination of desperation and wanting the pain to be over in time for prom, I hastily agreed to surgery on 2nd of March 2005. I was told by my surgeon in post-game that I'd be able to lead a normal life but I'd just have to watch my fat intake a little more. This seemed reasonable and in general I can do without fatty food. There was no talk at the time of unexplainable weight gain. Impossible to achieve weight loss. Severe bloating, indigestion, constipation(which has led me to getting a haemmorrhoid.)

All I was told was that the Liver is an amazing organ that will now adapt to the situation and take on a complete role as the producer and distributor of Bile to digest my food.

I had heard of the amazing functions and potential of the liver and took everything I was told for granted and given painkilles and sent on my way a day after Keyhole surgery.

Since that day, I have been on a steady weight gain, only around my middle. I now have large love handles that look completely out of place with my solid chest/arms/shoulders (I'm a rehab assistant in a psychiatric hospital and have to be physically strong at all times)

My stomach is disdended and looks ridiculous on top of my solid footballers legs.

Since the surgery I've always felt something was wrong regarding my attempts at shedding the weight. From running 1 hour per day, 5 days a week and doing crunches afterwards to eating a balanced and nutritious diet, the weight has steadily risen.

Before Surgery I was a solid, lean, 5'10, 165 lbs. I am now hovering around the 200 lbs and completely disproportionate. There is no explanation, my habits havent changed at all. At times Ive even tried harder than I did when I made that concerted effort 3 years ago(which believe me feels like an eternity)

My mother is a Eating Disorder Therapist and insists that while I eat healthily I don't eat enough. I'd say I eat 1500-1700 calories a day and most Dieticians would tell me to eat 2000-2500 per day. I've also noticed that a lot of people on this forum are the same. Undereating majorly. Particularly Ed, I asked my mother about your particular situation Ed and she said that a man of your size and activity, you should be consuming at least 2500 a day to stay in line with your basal metabolic rate otherwise your body goes into starvation mode and your liver produces large amounts of glycogen and stores it as fat around your midsection incase of emergency.

This sounds very viable to me. Although I eat well but not enough, and exercise every day for 45 mins. The weight I drop, falls off my thighs, chest, arms and back but is balanced out and put back on around my abdomen and sides.

Ive found the comments about liver flushes and bile salts/digestive enzymes very comforting and I will be purchasing everything I need tomorrow such as:

Milk Thistle Extract(liver flush)
Aloe Vera Capsules(colon cleanse)
Digestive Enzyme Formula
Prebiotics 7 (a combination of 4 billion good bacteria to restore my intestinal flora)

I will eat as normal which typically consists of:

Breakfast: One bowl of oatmeal 50g with 250ml semi skimmed milk. Chopped apple on top of oatmeal.
Mid Morning, An orange and some pine nuts providing vitamin C and Vitamin E respectively while the pine nuts also provide 60 grams of "good fats and proteins" that have previously not been getting absorbed by my body but should now thanks to a combo of Enzymes.
Lunchtime, I have a tuna and cucumber sandwich on low GI wholemeal bread which provides me with a high fiber, high protein, high iron lunch. I will also have another Apple following this.
Dinner, I normally have "brown" pasta or rice with a tin of chopped tomato, onion and garlic. I will occasionally add an ingredient such as chick peas or butterbeans for a good source of protein and nutrients. And occasionally add meat in the form of oily fish or lean chicken.

I will be drinking only water and following this regime with the supplements. I will also not be eating after 7pm so as to give my metabolism every chance. I will report back here each week with my findings.

I decided to post so as to let people know that what happens to you all is not due to age, as I am supposed to be at my peak age as an adult male and I feel anything but!

I feel cheated, misinformed and betrayed by the National Health Service of Britain and I will certainly from now on, be doing my own research before rushing into the OR so quickly. IF ONLY the iPhone was available 3 years ago. I could have researched while getting that scan in December!

It's depressing to look in the mirror and it irritates me that my legs and upper body can fit into regular sized clothes for a man i.e 34 inch jeans and Medium sized shirts but everything inbetween is constricted.

I used to be a very confident and successful guy with the opposite sex. Now I am a shadow of my former self and it takes a lot to get the courage to talk to a beautiful girl. I feel like the best years of my life are being ruined as I type this because of a poor lack of medical knowledge on the specific organ.

I hope you are all doing ok and persevering. Just remember and remind yourself everyday that you're not alone and it has nothing to do with age.

P.S the foods that make me bloat are things like white pasta, white rice, pizza crusts, white bread, peanut butter(i used to love wholeearth peanut butter :( ) red meat, soft drinks.

Funnily enough the food that aggravated me prior to surgery, spicy foods like curry and mexican recipes aswell as alcohol are fine with me. I can eat and drink those things normally and have reasonable side effects that I can accept and take responsibility for.

What I can't take responsibility for is eating like an Olympic Decathlete and working out every day for 45 mins to an hour and getting no results. Quite the opposite infact.

Thanks for reading my long-winded post. As I say I will keep you up to date with my findings each week.

Thankyou DietPower for giving us a soapbox!

Will.


Reply author: projectgallbladder
Replied on: Mar 17 2008 03:46:28
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Will, thanks for sharing your story. Great to hear your positive commitment and willingness not to give up. You are about 1.5 years ahead of my surgery and the affects are frightening to us guys who have always taken pride in living a healthy life. Low carb, low fat diet – big weight loss I believe was the cause of my SINGLE Gallstone resulting surgery incorrectly removing my GB as a remedy. Consequences can be as you have described.

I have been having some success on my new diet. Lost about an Inch in 3 weeks. Weight has come off all areas except mid section. Bloating has decreased though. Looking forward to sharing on success when I see progress on mid section.

[project gall bladder website - not office name ]

If anyone would like to contribute to and review web site design the brief, please feel free to send me an email ' blueicesynergy at hotmail dot com ' Hoping to have core site up in running 30days. Site will have a member’s blog engine to share ongoing experiences after surgery. Yah - you can also post pictures on progress also.

J.Allen – please make contact with me using above email address.

Take care, God Bless

John
Dyslexic


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Mar 17 2008 11:23:20
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Will,

What a compelling story you have to tell, and you write it with a level of skill and maturity well beyond your 20 years! Thank you so much for sharing it with us in such vivid detail. Your words certainly resonate with Ed, and with John (projectgallbladder), and many others I am sure.

As all of you know it is extremely difficult if not impossible for doctors to acknowledge that this ongoing bloating / distended stomach / unexplained weight gain around the middle has anything to do with having had the gall bladder removed. It baffles me when I read over and over that these doctors "don't know what is causing this problem", and yet they are able to state that "it has nothing to do with your gall bladder being removed".

In an effort to get doctors to look into this potential cause, Ed has sighted the many people here who have the very same unexplainable problems after having had their own gall bladders removed. Without exception, every single doctor Ed has talked with has dismissed every single one of you with an almost disdainful wave of the hand as if you're all just a bunch of crackpot loonies who are "sharing symptoms" or worse. Apparently, you guys are not "scientific".

Will, you mentioned Ed, and interestingly enough he is on his way right now to the very surgeon who removed his gallbladder (using same technique you describe as key hole surgery). I told him about your first post here and he had just enough time to read it and was impressed enough with your story to print it out and bring it with him to the surgeon.

The last specialist he saw a week ago told him that 2 of the muscles that run vertically along his abdomen are not connected all along the way which is most likely attributed to a surgery long ago to remove a hernia (this surgery was prior to the gall bladder surgery). When Ed first heard this, he was elated thinking that maybe a doctor has actually found something that will explain and solve this problem once and for all. The more he thought about it he started doubting whether or not that might explain his problem entirely, especially when so many others are having the very same problems he is having and yet probably do not also have the same problem with the vertical muscles in your abdomen (sorry, don't know specific name of this muscle group).

Interestingly enough, he was referred back to the same surgeon who removed his gall bladder in the first place. I believe he is hoping for the opportunity for the surgeon to "take a look around" ...perhaps for a knicked or damaged or blocked bile duct, or something else that might explain why he is constantly bloated and unable to lose weight around his stomach, while he is making the muscle repair.

I don't know what this surgeon is going to tell Ed this morning, but I know he plans on sharing whatever news he receives with all of you who are still reading along in this thread.



Reply author: mama
Replied on: Mar 17 2008 11:55:58
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Wow, y'all have really sung my song! I eat less than my 7 year old and still gain weight. I am active and in pretty good shape outside of this weight gain. I had my gall bladder out in 1999 and have put on 60 pounds since. It seems lately that my stomach is pushing out further and further. I am on thyroid meds for Hypo but I think that was a last ditch effort to stop the gain. I have read alot of posts but can never see what is happening with the bile salts...are they helping or what? I hope we can get answers because I too am feeling ugly. I am nothing like my former self. And my confidence is suffering too. It is hard to look positive at life when things are out of control and nothing helps. Glad to have found this forum!


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Mar 17 2008 15:03:25
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Not wanting to add to the confusion, but I'm not convinced that bile salts are really what we need. I know that many drs. say you need them if you don't have a gallbladder. But if your liver comes to depend on them, then it may become lazy and not produce the amount of bile needed for digestion. When I have questions, sometimes I email the people at sensiblehealth.com and ask what their opinions are since they are very knowledgeable about the liver and gallbladder. I asked them about the bile salts and this is what Rebecca replied:

As you predicted, Julia is not keen on the idea of using bile salts. As she says, they may help to control symptoms of poor digestion, but will certainly not help your problem. If you take them occasionally, or for the short term, there is no problem with them. But if you come to rely on them, your liver will gradually stop producing bile salts on its own because its needs are already being supplied.

Julia did some reading on bile salts and found that they stimulate bile flow. Our Coptis tincture also stimulates bile flow, so it could be used instead.

It is true that there will be a smaller output of bile into the intestines once your gallbladder has been removed. It will be important for you to keep your liver in good health for the rest of your life to keep bile flow adequate. Using our Chinese Bitters and Coptis tinctures will certainly help. You should also try to do daily morning exercises to stimulate your liver. Exercise in the evernings is also helpful but is not as beneficial to the liver because the liver can become congested with blood during the night as you sleep (the liver filters all of your blood at night). Doing exercise in the morning will bring this retained blood out of the liver and back into the general circulation.

It is also important to watch your diet. Since the liver, gallbladder and spleen work closely together and are connected together by nerves, the liver and spleen will weaken once the gallbladder is gone. Foods which weaken the liver and spleen should be avoided. These include; deep fried foods, spicy foods, nuts (especially roasted nuts), chocolate, white flour, white sugar, citrus fruits, tomatoes, bananas, cold drinks and raw vegetables (salads).

You should make sure that you do regular liver and gallbladder cleansing (even though you no longer have a gallbladder) to remove any stones which may begin to form in your liver. If you can keep bile flowing well, you should find that your metabolism remains high and any excess weight should come off. Of course, you should be careful not to eat a lot of fatty foods for the rest of your life. It will be difficult for your liver to handle.


Reply author: MisterEd
Replied on: Mar 17 2008 15:57:40
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I am pleased that several others have found this forum, and as Will/ScottishPower indicates, it does give us a soapbox. And it gives us the opportunity to exchange information which the medical community often is wont to provide.

Since my last post, I have had several more rounds of doctoral visits, most of which JAllen has briefly reported upon, and the visits were pathetically sparse in providing helpful information. I am not much further along that path, but have had the most productive medical session today, with the surgeon who performed my gall bladder removal initially by keyhole surgery. We had a long and interesting exchange, and I will hit the highlights only briefly here.

He is certainly willing to admit the absence of a gall bladder can have impacts upon the functioning of the human body. One such impact is the disruption to the gastrointestinal tract, and the horror stories that all of have heard of bile in excess and in surfeit, both or either, which contributes to digestive issues, constipation, diarrhea, and a variety of diverse and other attendant happenings of the digestive system. In my case, these issues were not and are not chronic. Accordingly, he is able to ease my mind somewhat in this regard.

So what is causing the bloating, the weight gain, or the wide swings of retained water weight? He is not able to answer that question for the multitude of us, and may not be able to answer it even for me, sitting naked in his examining room, with my protruding and prominent basketball-shaped belly being the strongest evidence of an issue “of unspecified causes.” However, with a closer physical examination than any other doctor to date, he was able to find a couple of abdominal hernias, and a general diastasis, which is a separation of the muscles (often occurs AFTER pregnancy but I have not yet delivered). And surgery is now planned in April to correct these few somewhat minor matters. Had it been diastasis alone, he would not have recommended the surgery, but in combination with the hernias, he does strongly encourage the surgery.

What will happen with the surgery? Will it solve all my issues? No, he insists it will not. But there will be some improvements. The hernias should lessen the protrusion, the correction of the diastasis will tighten the muscles in my abdomen, mesh will be inserted to aid the muscles in holding together, and maybe I will not look (as) pregnant. Could it be that the hernias and the diastasis are causing sufficient swelling as to cause internal inflammation which causes the body to send water to the inflammation which is then retained? And is it the retained water that then adds to the scales when I weigh? Maybe. Maybe not. But there is that possibility that some of my problems may be centered on some physical anomalies and maybe some of them can be corrected.

How did the diastasis and the hernia come about? Does it relate to some abdominal hernia surgery that I had ten years ago, but was aggravated or exacerbated by the GB keyhole surgery? Will I ever know the answer to that? Could there have been a bile duct that was nicked during the GB keyhole surgery that can be corrected this time? Maybe. I know that he will be doing some looking around when he cuts me open to see what else he can see. He admits that I do have a problem. Surgery will address the hernias and the diastasis. He does not promise to solve anything else with surgery. Will that, however, solve so many of my other issues? Stay tuned. I will report back in mid-April.

(Will: Your comments are appreciated and with sincere thanks to your mother who has reviewed the caloric intake. I know that calories have, indeed, been a problem for me, but I felt that I could not eat food while I was gaining weight so prodigiously, and accordingly, food became my enemy. No doubt, I was actually in starvation mode. But even with that corrected, the problem still abounds, with a caloric intake that has been increased. Btw: Your comment about certain white foods, pasta, bread, etc. being problematic: my armchair analysis would tell me that you also will bloat from the equivalent brown pasta, Ezekiel bread, etc. I found no consistent food allergy or intolerance, but experienced a consistent reaction with inconsistent intake. At least I did. Keep track of it and let us know.


Reply author: Debby
Replied on: Mar 17 2008 19:39:02
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Ed, is it possible that your muscles have separated as a result of your problem, rather than being the cause of it? It just reminds me of that Adriana Xenides story where she was going through that because of the bloating.


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Mar 17 2008 20:50:02
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I have a hernia as a result of my gall bladder surgery. They pulled the gall bladder out thru the belly button and when closed the belly button back up left a whole there.

I need surgery to fix it but
1. am NO way NO how going back to the same butcher that stole my GB
2. wanted to lose some weight before hand because will be out of commission for a while after and weight gain is sure to come.
3. I don't think the hernia itself has anything to do with weight gain

Echo, darlin. Any luck on that new supp. your trying?


Reply author: MisterEd
Replied on: Mar 18 2008 09:56:01
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Debby... I do not know a lot of detail of the Adriana story, but it does not appear that I am suffering from the same condition, though there are similarities, aren't there? Your question is quite valid, which came first? I likely will never know if the muscle separation (diastasis)is due to the bloating or if the bloating caused the muscle separation. The chicken or the egg? I am hopeful, however, that someone may read of my own situation and perhaps discuss it with their own doctor, and perhaps can benefit from the information. If the surgery helps to remedy this personal frustration, I will be pleased beyond description, regardless of the origin, as I know you will understand and appreciate. I will report back.


Reply author: ScottishGuy87
Replied on: Mar 18 2008 11:15:56
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Hi everyone, Been doing a bit of research today and I'm sad to report that Cranekc looks like a fraud to me.

I have seen a post of hers on the following URL:

http://www.steadyhealth.com/Problems_After_Gallbladder_Removal_t67025.html

Not only is she advertising a specific product like she has done in several posts on dietpower (see page 26/27 for an example) but the dates between her posts here and on steadyhealth just dont add up.

Mix all that together with her tone and delivery of her posts being that of a very persuasive sales rep and you've got one big fraud.

Watch out for people like her on these message boards. No doubt hundreds of sales reps for Herbs and Pharmaceutical companies troll health forums trying to fool people into buying their useless products.

I went to see my GP today and he insisted I don't do a liver flush as the stones in the liver may be too big and could easily get stuck in the bile duct causing excruciating pain and emergency surgery to prevent pancreatitis and a number of other things.

He insisted that as long as i took a digestive enzyme complex and some chinese bitters or something similar, coupled with a diet that was rich in GOOD fats like olive oil etc and I exercised daily that the weight would eventually fly off and that my body would detoxify fully eventually and start burning fat.

He also recommended juice fasting as a good way of detoxing your body.

To bo honest, I feel like I'm just gunna be going around in circles for the rest of my life.

Modern Medicine is so arrogant. If they don't have an answer, they make up one that sounds plausible.

Oh and before i forget. Update on the combination of things im taking.

Aloe Vera Colon Cleanse, Liv-Cleanse Complex, Centaurium( a form of bitters) and ox bile extract digestive enzymes.

So far, (two days in) I see a minor decrease in bloating but I have severe stomach cramps. It's a similar pain to when I had gallstones and still had a gall bladder.

But anyway. I'll reiterate everyone. Please dont take a liver flush or any weird recipe u read online before speaking to your doctor. The Vater is far too small to pass the "stones" that are pictured in Dr Hulda Clarks recipe.

P.S MisterEd, I grew quite worried reading how "food has become your enemy." While I can totally relate to where you're coming from and BELIEVE ME, I've been there too, my mother is an eating disorder therapist and she hears comments like that every single day from people with Anorexia and Bulemia. While it may not seem like sense to eat 2500 calories if you want to get rid of your stomach protrusion. You need to supply your body with an ample amount of nutrients energy and minerals in order for it to have every chance of beating whatever may wrong with you. Undernourishing yourself will only make matters worse. HELL, I know about it first hand, the reason I got gallstones was due to rapid weight loss due to undernourishing, i'll be the first to admit it!

Please take these words seriously. You won't get any fatter eating lots of good wholesome food. snack on things like pine nuts and use olive oil in cooking, these are good fats and high in calories and vitamins. You know all of this already but sometimes we need to be reminded exactly what our body expects of us.

I know that if I ate a proper diet and met my daily calorific consumption of 2000 when i was 16/17, I wouldn't have developed gallstones as it wasn't heriditory.

Please, bare in mind that your liver does store glycogen which is a complex energy compound in your midsection when you're undereating. As it is complex, it is much more difficult to break down. My mother insists that its a scientific fact.(although I have trouble believing anything anymore that comes from "professional" mouths)

Will report with any new findings I have.


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Mar 18 2008 12:33:18
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MARIEYA MY LUV!!! No...i haven't recieved the new supps, still anxiously awaiting its arrival..i will definitely let ya'll know if they work..and MOMMY!! AWESOME!! See? I told ya they (bile salts) would work, they're not a cure all but they certainly help w/ the bloating.
SCOTTISHGUY!! LOVE YOUR POSTS!!! Hang there, one way or another we will beat these arrogant organ thieves! I always thought that a liver flush would be too much and could maybe weaken the liver, slow detox is safer..so do i need to take chinese bitters everyday or for a few weeks and with what other supp if needed??


Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Mar 18 2008 12:58:04
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If you take stone crushing herbs or supplements for a few days prior to liver flushing, the stones will be crushed enough to travel through the ducts.You can take gold coin grass, malic acid or chanca piedra and drink lots of apple juice. The epsom salt dilates the bile ducts so that the stones don't get stuck. Even if one did get stuck, you can just take more epsom salt and should be fine. The liver not only contains stones but also liver flukes and I don't know if there are any other ways to get rid of those parasites other than flushing and herbs. I have been doing them regularly and it has definitely helped my congested liver. Juice fasting is also very good to do and does help you to flush toxins out and lose weight. Those two things have helped me a lot along with eating only non-processed food.


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Mar 18 2008 13:40:17
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I can understand the emotion behind some of the language being used here, but I wonder how helpful (or unhelpful) it might be to our cause. For example:

"am NO way NO how going back to the same butcher that stole my GB"
and
"one way or another we will beat these arrogant organ thieves"

The problem is that these comments do not apply to everyone who's had their gall bladder removed. In many cases (certainly in Ed's case), his gall bladder had to be removed. It was fully non-functional, was completely calcified, and was in danger of turning gangrenous (spelling?). I have read of many other cases where removing the gall bladder was absolutely medically necessary.

This is not to say I don't have a problem with specific arrogant medical personnel (who, in my opinion are simply trying to disguise their lack of knowledge), or the medical professional as a whole who is seemingly able to easily dismiss problems and issues that don't happen to fall neatly into one of their diagnostic flow charts or can't be treated with a prescription pill.

Getting back to the issue of "weight gain after gall bladder surgery", and the various ways we are dealing with it... I noticed that marieya made this comment:

"I have a hernia as a result of my gall bladder surgery. They pulled the gall bladder out thru the belly button and when closed the belly button back up left a whole there."

This is very interesting especially in light of what Ed just learned. I wonder if anyone else who has had their gall bladder removed and is bloating and cannot lose excess stomach weight also might possibly have a hernia?

Is it possible to have an abdominal hernia and not know it?


Reply author: MisterEd
Replied on: Mar 19 2008 14:53:05
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Will....I need to update the information that I am now eating pretty normally, maybe still not as much as I could perhaps, but have gotten over the idea that lettuce leaves, celery, and carrots were three major food groups. I am now eating wholesome solid food, still worried about overeating of course, but am eating more orless "normally". Your Mom (and mine too, probably) would be happy with the food intake now. We are all now anticipating the hernia repair surgery to see if it has any impact other than the physical remedial action. Wouldn't it be great if there is a connection that would also reduce (eliminate??) the bloating too? I will, indeed, keep posting for those of you who have interest.


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Mar 19 2008 20:56:39
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I'm not sure if you've read any of my prior posts J.Allen but saying my Dr is "arrogant" would be the understatement of the yr.

I understand the concept of focus on the positive but by all means, the Dr. that took my gall bladder is a thief and a butcher and a pompous &*%@!! to boot. With all that is going on with our bodies here "strong language" is the least of our worries.

As for the hernia, mine was definitely caused by the surgery. If my Dr. did a good job then I would most likely not have the hernia now. But this is what I have surmised. My Dr. (pcp) works next door to the "Butcher" lol (the GB Dr.) So he says go see Dr. Butcher, ok I go... OH, you must have this out immediately or you will die yadda yadda yadda. BUT isn't there some alternative to surgery? NO< you must have immediately yadda yadda yadda.
OK, so I have the surgery in record time. But complications of said surgery, which I was assured would be ZERO, are severe weight gain and hernia. hmmmmm so DR. Butcher says I need to have another surgery for my hernia which he will gladly do. Also, in another yr when another god knows how many lbs have been added he will offer the lap band surgery which he also specializes in.

SO...

The cost of GB Removal $2896.
The cost of Hernia repair $2562.
The cost of Lap Band Surgery $23,000.

The cost of quality of life and peace of mind is PRICELESS


Can anyone elaborate on this liquid diet/detox?
How long should u do that for, is there a website you can recommend?

Scottish guy, in one sentence you say do NOT do anything until checking with the DR. but in the next you say you do not trust anything that comes out of their mouths. I am of the latter opinion (clearly as stated above) I have noticed that the Dr.s are completely anti-holistic so they would discourage any natural supps or anything that does not directly involve them or their pockets. So if thats the case how can trust anything they say? What do u think?



Reply author: echo
Replied on: Mar 20 2008 00:14:07
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AMEN MARIEYA!! when a dr. ignores cries of misery and blurts "don't eat crap, go on a diet" when i don't eat crap and my life is revolving around an 800 cal. DIET, then there is something wrong..it's called POMPOUS &*%@!! WIPE! they tell me to eat more meals, I do it, i gain weight, they tell me to eat less, i do it, i gain weight..go figure..i'm tired of this up and down BS..when you think you might have it licked, it comes back by to bite ya in the &*%@!! again... so Jallen, i agree w/ marieya, there's nothing positive w/ wasting hard earned money on going back and forth to the Dr w/ no results..and I agree, Mr Ed probably needed his GB removed, however, if you are one, such as myself, that has become a victim of an organ snatcher, then you would think differently..i was told AFTER THE FACT that i could have kept my GB by doing flushes..I only had sludge, but my DR made it out to be a do or die situtation..this is what ****es me off!


Reply author: Bill Davis
Replied on: Mar 20 2008 01:49:07
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... and on those notes it is past time for this conversation to move to its own dedicated site. Additional posts along the same lines as those above will be removed & these gallbladder related topics will be closed to further posting within the next 30 days. Plan accordingly.

Posters should keep in mind that they are guests here, ... and we expect the conversation to remain civil. The determination of what is or isn't civil is purely my discretion ... err on the side of caution.



Diet Power Forums Admin
bdavis@dietpower.com


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Mar 20 2008 10:28:01
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Bill Davis


... and on those notes it is past time for this conversation to move to its own dedicated site. Additional posts along the same lines as those above will be removed & these gallbladder related topics will be closed to further posting within the next 30 days. Plan accordingly.

Posters should keep in mind that they are guests here, ... and we expect the conversation to remain civil. The determination of what is or isn't civil is purely my discretion ... err on the side of caution.



Diet Power Forums Admin
bdavis@dietpower.com


I can't say this surprises me, and I can certainly understand the position taken by Bill Davis, Forum Administrator for DietPower.

Thank you so much, Bill Davis, and DietPower, for allowing this discussion to be hosted on your website. It has been more appreciated than you can imagine by a very unique and unusual group of people suffering from pretty serious and debilitating stomach bloating and weight gain around the stomach. This thread was started by someone named "Montrose", who as far as I know made an initial post and was never heard from again on this DietPower website. I imagine he or she has no idea how many others would eventually find his initial inquiry. I do hope the folks at DietPower have at least some appreciation of the value of this thread to so many desperate and suffering people. I suppose that might sound a bit melodramatic, but I assure you it is very, very sincere.

To everyone else still following this discussion, thank you for your participation, it has been a pleasure getting to know all of you. Maybe we'll see each other again in some other place. To anyone else who might find this discussion in the future. First of all, you are not crazy and you are not alone. Keep on searching and looking for answers! At this general point in time (March 2008), a few of us were tossing around the idea of moving this conversation to a dedicated website. Unfortunately, the response was not encouraging. A few folks have scattered & begun blogs, and one member has reserved a domain name www.projectgallbladder.com , which may be up and running in the future.

Sincerely,

j.Allen


Reply author: echo
Replied on: Mar 20 2008 12:29:31
Message:

i personally do not see where our conversations have not been civil aside from a couple of people from MONTHS ago. Bill if you do not want us on here, fine, we are all adults and i do not see where this conversation is effecting you in a way that you must kick us off, however, it is your website.If a few words such as (i'll save you the retype) "@ss" , "****es", and such that is actually used on a daily basis, offends you, then I apologize for your narrow life. I see that you even changed Montrose's word "&*%@!!ociated" to "&*%@!!ociated", a little uptight?? since when is a word such as &*%@!!ociated has a need for discretion? I thought this blog was a place to exchange thoughts, experiences, and express our discontent..apparently, we are under strict surveillance and our freedom of speech has been denied...i'm sure The Tyra Banks Show will love this one!! This has been a gathering place for people in the same situation and if you feel the need to break this up for what ever reason, then I suggest everyone go to SPARKPEOPLE.COM
http://sparkpeople.com/myspark/groups_individual.asp

I started a blog and hopefully we can get everyone that has this problem OVER THERE. Have a nice day Bill, try not being so uptight!


Reply author: Bill Davis
Replied on: Mar 20 2008 14:15:40
Message:


Several points:

  • This is a corporate sponsored website. We foot the bill for the sole purpose of providing an area for the users of our software to congregate and discuss issues related to that software & its use. No one has a right to "free speech" on someone else's website. We reserve all rights to monitor & control any & all content on our sites.

  • I simply added a 3 letter word to the forum's "bad words filter" it made substitutions wherever those 3 letters occured. I've since refined that entry so that it is more selective.

  • While I understand & sympathise with the frustrations surrounding your condition, this topic has long been far removed from the actual focus of this forum. I was being kind in letting it continue as long as it has, ... some recent comments make me rather regret doing so. Recently there have been posts and comments within this topic of establishing a separate site dealing with this condition, and some posters have taken concrete steps in that direction, ... I've merely affirmed that it is time to do so & set a time interval when that should be done.

  • I could have simply removed the topic. Instead I've allowed 30 days to complete other arrangements, ... and to post forwarding comments & URL's before I lock the topic. I intend to leave the topic available for those who wish to read it in the future, instead of deleting it.




Diet Power Forums Admin
bdavis@dietpower.com


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Mar 20 2008 14:51:46
Message:

Bill,

Thank you very much for this:

"I could have simply removed the topic. Instead I've allowed 30 days to complete other arrangements, ... and to post forwarding comments & URL's before I lock the topic. I intend to leave the topic available for those who wish to read it in the future, instead of deleting it."

Frankly, I'm surprised to find that some folks apparently don't seem to understand that this is in fact a corporate website, and that we are guests. Maybe that is a simple missunderstanding, but in any case, Bill, please know that your consideration and kindness is not unnoticed and unnappreciated by everyone! I suspect that this thread on this website will be the #1 pull on search engines for a long time to come for people who are looking for answers to this very unusual problem. And for that reason, I can't thank you enough for not deleting the thread.

By the way, I actually thought the filter was funny...when I went back and re-read my last post and got to the word "assure" (a s s u r e) and saw what it did with it I cracked up!


Reply author: mommy
Replied on: Mar 20 2008 15:11:23
Message:

echo thank you for all the information!
it might be a corporate site but this is a public forum anyone can post and to remove this topic makes me feel it is discrimination and offended..because we are having weight issues to and we could not predict our gallbladder coming out and unfortunatly it has caused weight issues and we should be allowed to post on this diet forum to share ideas and to make new frineds too..some of the other post do not seem to be related to your corporate site either and they have not been banned from posting...because it is a public forum not a private corporate one.


Reply author: Bill Davis
Replied on: Mar 20 2008 16:03:34
Message:


I'm not going to stand here & argue the point ... the decision is made & is final.

Mommy: you're relatively new here ... & are entitled to your opinion, just as we are entitled to control both the content of our website & who has access to it (you may recall the ability to post required membership?). Despite what you'd like to believe, this is not "discrimination" ...

I'd suggest focusing on a constructive transition to another location, given the amount of time allowed.



Diet Power Forums Admin
bdavis@dietpower.com


Reply author: j.Allen
Replied on: Mar 20 2008 16:13:48
Message:

"I'd suggest focusing on a constructive transition to another location, given the amount of time allowed."

Good advice!

By the way, I've decided to withdraw my own personal efforts to that end.

These past few posts have convinced me this is NOT something I want to do with my time.

Mr. Davis, you have my sincere admiration and respect. I wouldn't have your patience, for sure.

However, I do want to wish the best for everyone who is indeed suffering with the issues that define what was and really is the "real topic" of this thread.

Good Luck to you all, and farewell.

Sincerely,

j.Allen


Reply author: mama
Replied on: Mar 21 2008 06:49:18
Message:

I just want to say thanks for allow people to post. It sure has helped me. I no longer feel alone and mental. I have only posted once but come on and read daily. Anyhow thanks for the vehicle.....Take care y'all.


Reply author: MisterEd
Replied on: Mar 21 2008 10:13:15
Message:

Like Mama, I have not posted as often but I have stopped by this Forum virtually every day to read the posts. For all of us who have tried to explore and better understand this frustrating problem, the progress, and the possiblititis of correction, this Forum has been a moment of daily sanity, a place where I could commisserate and compare the problem, the progress, and the possiblities with others. I will miss it when it locks, and am grateful for having had it while it has been available. It has become a familiar friend.

But as many things, familiarity breeds contempt, and there are those who have trnsitioned from this space from being a Forum, which invites sharing, to a soapbox from which which to project selfish, self-centered diatribes and individual expressions that are not oriented by/from/of the people of the wider Forum audience, but rather from a narrow niche of self-aggrandizement. For that, I am sorry---sorry for the Many as well as the Moderator who have had to sift through so much chaff to get to the grain. I suppose it is inevitable that a public forum might likely deteriorate, and I perhaps should not be as disappointed as I am, since I feel a bit let down by those who have destroyed it for all of us who were finding encouraging words, support, and a comraderie of strangers who felt like friends to me.

To those, I iterate my own actions and I am anxious to have the surgery for the hernia repair which just may have some tangental impacts upon the stomach bloating, which seems to lead to water retention, which, obviously, seems to increase the weight on the scale. Maybe this is a little bit of an answer for me and my problems, I do not yet know. But it is a shame that the Forum will not be here for me to report upon those upcoming results which might have useful impact for others. So, I encourage any of you who might have a similar concern of distension, diastasis, hernia possiblities, etc----to pursue it with your own doctor. Just maybe, there are others in addition to myself, who might have a partial answer in such a surgical procedure.

I did finally also come to realize that there are shills here, and I am too worldy to have been so doggone naive but I was---fakes who are eagar to take advantage of those of us with real concerns that are looking for solutions, and we, regretfully, too often turn gullible to the silver tongues that promise results so long as we buy. The snake oil salesmen are alive and well!

Putting those fakers aside, there are so many of you on this Forum that are very real and that are suffering for real and seeking answers for real, as I have been, and I wish you well.


Reply author: ScottishGuy87
Replied on: Mar 22 2008 07:07:26
Message:

Hi everyone, it's been 5 or 6 days now since i started taking a combination of:

Aloe Vera Colon Cleanse juice 25ml twice daily,
Ox Bile Extract Digestive Enzymes one with every meal,
Liv-Cleanse Complex twice a day, 4ml per day,
Centaurium Bitters, 10 minutes before each meal to initiate the digestion process.

I've been eating a high fiber low-to-none fat diet with lots of water.

I haven't cheated myself yet and I feel so much better.

Bloating is reduced. Energy levels are much higher. Im no longer feeling full all day. I still have extreme results in the bathroom. However I think I'm displaying all the symptoms of IBS.

Apparently its very well known that changes like Gall Bladder Surgery can irritate the bowels and it seems I may have that.

One of the best treatments for IBS is lots of fiber as it is a bulk forming agent.

IBS explains bloated/fullness feeling, low energy, constipation and diarrhea but nothing regular, and other symptoms, just incase anyone was curious.

As I say I'm feeling much better and its only been 5 days.

I had my blood pressure and weight measured on Wednesday and it was 140/90 (a little high for my age but may have been down to nerves/stress as i HATE waiting rooms) and my weight was 95 kilos which is quite overweight but I do have a lot of muscle mass.

It will be interesting to see in two to three weeks time when I return to the nurse for another calculation.

MisterEd, I'm glad to hear it. Mothers were right all along when they told us to eat our greens and finish our meals! ha. Case in point: I didn't eat so much yesterday because I was so busy. I didn't get particularly hungry but by this morning, I could 'pinch more inches' around my middle than I could the day before. This must be down to the liver triggering a glycogen storing process.

As I say, I have the same view of food as you do since surgery, it's very important to admit that we have an unhealthy view of it. FOr heaven's sake, I used to love food, all sorts of good food. Im slowly beginning to embrace it again and I hope you do. I think the key to controlling what is around our middles is in our heads and no I don't mean psychobabble but rather a more healthy opinion of food, accepting that there is a lot of food that is our enemy but for the most part there is a reason for it. Meanwhile, in contrast, all natural whole foods are welcomed by our system in multitudes. You cannot overeat on natural food. It's almost impossible, Almost all whole food items are 90-99% packed with goodness that is completely absorbed by the system. I've probably said it before but it's worth repeating: You will not gain weight if you eat a lot of healthy food i.e Fruits, Vegetables, Pulses, Lean meat, Fish. The key is in how you cook your meat, or how you dress your salad etc. Do you have a sauce with your pulses/beans? I know I LOVE mayonnaise, dressing and my mothers BBQ chicken, but the unfortunate fact is these things have to become a much rarer event now without our gallbladders. Try eating a very strict diet for a month, and treat urself with something once a week but don't overdo it. Like have a steak, or a Caesar salad dressing.

Marieya, I was simply stating that my views expressed are not professional ones and while I had a particularly uninformative experience with my previous GPs, the Nurse I saw on Wednesday is well aware of post colocystectomy(sp?) digestive problems and is willing to pursue if my weight hasnt dropped a little.

I am the perfect test subject for this problem as I am still in Modern Medicines eyes, at the peak of my physical health and should have no problem losing weight as long as I am disciplined and determined.

What I'm saying is Marieya, it's also unhealthy to tar all general practitioners with the same brush. Everyone has different experiences. Some doctors may have wives or children who are in our position and thus can relate to post surgery side effects. I don't mean to be patronising it just seemed like you were attacking me as being a walking contradiction.

In summary though everybody, things are looking up, I'll post back in two weeks or so with my updated weight and blood pressure.

Thanks for reading,

Will.


Reply author: marieya
Replied on: Mar 24 2008 00:44:04
Message:

Sorry ScottishGuy, wasn't attacking at all...just clarifying.

I am sorry this forum is going as well. Guess they're not making any $$ on us over here so time to shut it down under the guise of our hostility or off-topics
I certainly hope these past few accusatory comments weren't directly at echo or myself. There were a few people that came by the forum way back basically saying this was all our faults but having your faith in the medical community shattered has left a skeptical eye in many of us.

echo darlin, I got your email and will be responding shorty. You have been so very helpful.

ed, at some point I will have to have surgery for my hernia as well. I have pain in the belly button area sometimes so it would be more for that than the weight gain...am not an esteemed medical professional but just don't see the connection to the hernia/weight gain. plus, didn't u mention u had the hernia going on before the gb surgery with no weight gain then?

good luck to all of you! I am sorry you are going thru this but is comforting to know am not alone.


Reply author: lorilove
Replied on: Mar 24 2008 13:27:43
Message:

I would recommend moving the conversation to www.healthboards.com which is probably a more appropriate forum for this discussion.

Best of luck - Lori

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Reply author: dbon
Replied on: Mar 24 2008 15:39:52
Message:

I would think this thread has pulled tons of people to this site so I'm not sure why it's going to be locked? There are thousands of people looking for this information and I'm sure it has helped a lot of people but hopefully there will be a forum for this topic somewhere so we can all continue our quest for answers.


Reply author: Bill Davis
Replied on: Jul 21 2008 19:12:16
Message:

This discussion moved off-site to: http://www.forum.lifeaftergallbladder.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4

... and may be continued there.


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